[PCGamer] Denuvo opens its own Discord server to rehabilitate its image, has to shut it down 2 days later after players flood in to bully it

[Space Lynx]

Denuvo opens its own Discord server to rehabilitate its image, has to shut it down 2 days later after players flood in to bully it

Who could have seen this coming?

www.pcgamer.com

The entire Discord server has been put into read-only mode until Denuvo can figure out a way to stop it from being flooded with people screaming obscenities at Denuvo.

The nice weather in the UK today and the title of this article have brought me great joy on this day.

@lexluthermiester

Perhaps I will build a monument to commemorate this day, it shall be glorious!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

They can take our PC resources. BUT THEY CANT TAKE OUR FREEDOM

 

[lexluthermiester]

Denuvo opens its own Discord server to rehabilitate its image, has to shut it down 2 days later after players flood in to bully it

Who could have seen this coming?

www.pcgamer.com

The entire Discord server has been put into read-only mode until Denuvo can figure out a way to stop it from being flooded with people screaming obscenities at Denuvo.

The nice weather in the UK today and the title of this article have brought me great joy on this day.

@lexluthermiester

Perhaps I will build a monument to commemorate this day, it shall be glorious!

Wow! That is crazy! Well deserved though.

EDIT: Is anyone at all surprised by that turn of events?

 

[Onasi]

The fact that some PR people at Denuvo actually unironically put this forward as a good idea and didn’t foresee the outcome (and there was no other possible outcome) just shows how out of touch and completely delusional they are.
Nobody sane likes DRM. Not because we are potential pirates just waiting to sail the high seas, no, but because being treated as a criminal while you are an honest customer and, at the same time, also contributing to enshittification of software as a whole is not a business model that would be appealing to many.
Granted, I would give Denuvo some props (?) that so far they have managed to clear the incredibly low bar of not being as irrevocably shit as the likes of SecuROM and StarForce of days past. That was straight up malware.

 

[Frick]

This is honestly pretty hilarious.

 

[AsRock]

Maybe they will do what Helldivers 2 do and lock it more down with requiring phone numbers, but stupid people give their phone number to pretty much anyone today.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

What did they expect was going to happen? Did they really think that the internet was going to leave them alone and not pile on them?

Especially the amount of hate that has been festering over the years and then they opened a portal where the average DRM enjoyer can join for some friendly and polite interactions with the people of Denuvo.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The fact that some PR people at Denuvo actually unironically put this forward as a good idea and didn’t foresee the outcome (and there was no other possible outcome) just shows how out of touch and completely delusional they are.

Exactly! Completely out of touch with reality. They are so disillusioned by the ideal that copyrights are more important than personal rights that they are blind to the harm they do to the public, their own clientele(because a great many people refuse to buy games that include any form of DRM, and thus depriving their clients of money) and the world in general.

Granted, I would give Denuvo some props (?) that so far they have managed to clear the incredibly low bar of not being as irrevocably shit as the likes of SecuROM and StarForce of days past. That was straight up malware.

This is where we disagree. Denuvo is complete malware.

Maybe they will do what Helldivers 2 do and lock it more down with requiring phone numbers, but stupid people give their phone number to pretty much anyone today.

Oh good grief really? I did not know about this. How stupid are people to be giving their phone numbers out?

What did they expect was going to happen? Did they really think that the internet was going to leave them alone and not pile on them?

Right? Morons..

 

[AsRock]

Exactly! Completely out of touch with reality. They are so disillusioned by the ideal that copyrights are more important than personal rights that they are blind to the harm they do to the public, their own clientele(because a great many people refuse to buy games that include any form of DRM, and thus depriving their clients of money) and the world in general.


This is where we disagree. Denuvo is complete malware.


Oh good grief really? I did not know about this. How stupid are people to be giving their phone numbers out?


Right? Morons..

Like to say kids but who knows.

 

[64K]

Like painting a bullseye on your rear-end with a big note above it saying 'please don't kick me'. What the hell did they think was going to happen? It was a free-for-all circus event from the beginning.

 

[freeagent]

Teehee.

You reap what you sow.

Looks like hate came to fruition.

Meanwhile they are like hey, we are people too, this is just a job

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

It’s their Boaty McBoatface moment.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Meanwhile they are like hey, we are people too, this is just a job

That's kinda like what Al Capone said to the government before they put him in prison for tax fraud. And yes, I'm in fact, comparing Denuvo to organized crime. While what Denuvo is doing might be "technically" legal, it's no less the lowlife, foul crap like what the mob does. Then they call pirate's criminals.

 

[freeagent]

That's kinda like what Al Capone said to the government before they put him in prison for tax fraud. And yes, I'm in fact, comparing Denuvo to organized crime. While what Denuvo is doing might be "technically" legal, it's no less the lowlife, foul crap like what the mob does. Then they call pirate's criminals.

It is all good, I do not have their backs on this one haha.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It is all good, I do not have their backs on this one haha.

Yeah, no worries, that came through clearly. What I said above was the first thing that came to me when I read your comment. To work for a company like Denuvo takes a special brand of slimy and scummy. Or maybe just people looking for money and don't give a flying #%!k that what they do is a deeply foul & moral crime against the public.

EDIT:
To give you all an idea of how much I loath Denuvo(and DRM in general), I would joyfully, gleefully take the founders and board of directors of the company, give them very deep paper cuts on their nether-regions and make them swim in a pool of apple-cider vinegar for 12 hours. Yes, yes..

 

[Endymio]

Nobody sane likes DRM. Not because we are potential pirates just waiting to sail the high seas, no, but because being treated as a criminal while you are an honest customer

That's why I shout obscenities whenever time I walk into a store and see it has locks on the doors, security cams on the ceiling, and RF tags on all the merchandise. How dare they treat honest customers like criminals?

 

[neatfeatguy]

The fact that some PR people at Denuvo actually unironically put this forward as a good idea and didn’t foresee the outcome (and there was no other possible outcome) just shows how out of touch and completely delusional they are.
Nobody sane likes DRM. Not because we are potential pirates just waiting to sail the high seas, no, but because being treated as a criminal while you are an honest customer and, at the same time, also contributing to enshittification of software as a whole is not a business model that would be appealing to many.
Granted, I would give Denuvo some props (?) that so far they have managed to clear the incredibly low bar of not being as irrevocably shit as the likes of SecuROM and StarForce of days past. That was straight up malware.

Nobody likes DRM, huh?

What do you think Steam is....yeah, it's DRM and tons of people love it.

 

[Space Lynx]

Nobody likes DRM, huh?

What do you think Steam is....yeah, it's DRM and tons of people love it.

I think the disconnect is how invasive the DRM utilized is, from what I understand (I might be wrong about this, I only briefly read about it), when you uninstall a Denuvo game, some of the DRM stays behind on your computer even after the game uninstalls, and kernel level OS access (which I think Steam does not get).

Also, this isn't just Denuvo, there are a few DRM's I think that get kernel level OS access, Helldivers 2 game its DRM I read somewhere does that.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Denuvo is a nightmare when trying different versions of Proton on a game in the name of troubleshooting. Eventually Denuvo thinks you've installed too many copies--even though it's just the one install on one PC, and it puts your game on ice for something like 24 hours. That's pretty dumb DRM, IMO.

While Steam is indeed DRM, it takes a more sensical approach, and it's not just DRM, but an entire storefront and it offers very useful things, like good console controller support, and Proton, so you can game on Linux. I'm not against DRM at all, but it needs to be reasonable and not get in the way. Not once in all my years and many games has Steam felt like it's in the way of gaming, where Denuvo certainly has, and my experience was with just one game!

 

[lexluthermiester]

What do you think Steam is....yeah, it's DRM and tons of people love it.

No, Steam is a software sales platform that's trying(and failing) to deny they're a sales platform. The DRM is present in some, but not all, of the software they sell.

That's why I shout obscenities whenever time I walk into a store and see it has locks on the doors, security cams on the ceiling, and RF tags on all the merchandise. How dare they treat honest customers like criminals?

Except in a store with those prevention methods, you can still take home and use, AS YOU SEE FIT, what you pay for. With DRM, unless you crack it, you can't do the same thing. So your ironic comparison is deeply and fundamentally flawed.

 

[Endymio]

Except in a store with those prevention methods, you can still take home and use, AS YOU SEE FIT, what you pay for. With DRM, unless you crack it, you can't do the same thing. So your ironic comparison is deeply and fundamentally flawed.

When you start with a false premise, you reach a false conclusion. You don't buy unlimited rights to single-use IP, video games included. The DRM allows you to use it as per the contract you agreed to at purchase. Your belief that you should be able to disregard that and use the software "as you see fit" flies in the face of centuries of contract case law.

As others here have pointed out, some studioes eschew DRM entirely. If DRM offends you, purchase from them exclusively.

 

[Klemc]

24H2 looks to have broken a lot Denuvo cracks, if it's bc of AI, idk, but if Denuvo enhances with the help of AI not sure crackers will follow that easyly.

Why their discord reopens just when 24H2 out, idk neither.

 

[eidairaman1]

Where is Louis Rossman

 

[Flogger23m]

I'm not really sure what the point was. Denuvo is not something for gamers, it is something for game publishers and developers. Those are their customers, not gamers. I suppose they had some delusion that they would be able to spin how cool it is to have DRM in games.

 

[lexluthermiester]

When you start with a false premise, you reach a false conclusion.

Well said. That statement does not work in your favor.

You don't buy unlimited rights to single-use IP, video games included.

That is what big companies and some(not all) copyright holders would like everyone to think. It is as flawed a notion as it is morally, ethical and legally wrong. The reality is that when we citizens make a transaction, whether that transaction involves an exchange of money, services or nothing at all(free items given away as a promotion), that transaction is a permanent transaction as defined by MANY laws. EULA's are limited and actually restricted by those laws. Terms and claims within said EULA's that stand in conflict with legal statues are as invalid as they are vapid. You and most people would be shocked how much of the nonsense contained in EULA's stand as meritless and have no meaning.

It doesn't matter what Steam, microsoft, Sony or anyone else tries to say or assert, they are bound and limited by the laws which define citizen rights. Which means that the recent so-called "clarification" made by Steam/Valve to define is nothing more than legal word wrangling intended to confuse and bewilder the public. It also means that the likes of Denuvo are technically criminal organizations who's sole focus is to trample the rights of the citizen under the guise of protecting copyright owners.

I suppose they had some delusion that they would be able to spin how cool it is to have DRM in games.

That's because they genuinely believe their own lies. And as they have shown the world, that is nothing less than a disastrous combination.