Anyone with true HDDs still around here?

[Athlonite]

Topcat (over at badcaps. net) would suspect the PCB on the HDD, needs cleaning off of the oxidation.

Yeah that would be a good thing to do if there was any oxidation to clean off, this HDD still looks like it was only bought yesterday

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Because I had C1E/SpeedStep active - actual core speed was 3.6GHz
I did a lot of "silly things" back in day... and still do
About that Q6600 :
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Recently/today :
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Yours is a golden sample! Mine was a bronze turd!

 

[Icon Charlie]

As stated before. I use the ICY DOCK system. I can swap out my HDD's and pretty much have unlimited storage because of it.

SSD's = Operating system + programs.
HDD's = CHEAP Storage

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yours is a golden sample! Mine was a bronze turd!

In my experience, the vast majority of the Q6X00 lineup could do 3ghz no issues, most could do 3.2ghz some could do 3.4ghz and a few could do more. But 4ghz?? Good grief yes that's a golden sample!

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

In my experience, the vast majority of the Q6X00 lineup could do 3ghz no issues, most could do 3.2ghz some could do 3.4ghz and a few could do more. But 4ghz?? Good grief yes that's a golden sample!

The worst for mine, was so many "Bus/Interconnect Error" WHEAs at only 367 MHz FSB, FFS! Yes, mine did 3.3 GHz, in fact at only 1.4V/1.39V? (That wasn't a lot of Vcore for 65nm!) Looked like the bus errors stopped me before I could even try 3.4!

Linpack passed at 3.3 GHz core speed, but Prime95 blend failed with "Bus/Interconnect Error" WHEA error, until I turned up the FSB termination voltage to 1.35V and even then, I have to keep it cooler than usual, for especially a low load, otherwise, the same error is back, even when running nothing demanding!

Linpack didn't reveal bus instability like Prime95 blend did.

 

[Steve-007UK]

I have a TOSHIBA X300 8TB Hard Drive
I use it for older games that load fast and run fine and don't need to be on an SSD or NVME drive.
I also use it for emulation and to store music and vids and to record game footage to.
Works great no issues and love it \o/

 

[cal5582]

running 2 WD gold 22TB drives in raid 1 as my main storage. i use a 1 tb nvme drive and primocache to cache the data. works pretty well.

 

[RaceT3ch]

running 2 WD gold 22TB drives in raid 1 as my main storage. i use a 1 tb nvme drive and primocache to cache the data. works pretty well.

jeez, what do you need all that storage for?

 

[lexluthermiester]

jeez, what do you need all that storage for?

Lots of things.

 

[AusWolf]

jeez, what do you need all that storage for?

Two 22 TB drives in RAID 1 gives you 22 (not 44) TB of storage with redundancy. It's not that much for someone who likes being independent from the internet.

I, personally, have roughly 13-14 TB of data, and that's just long-term storage on several HDDs, not counting my Steam library, DVDs, BDs, and whatnot.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's not that much for someone who likes being independent from the internet.

Sooo true!

not counting my Steam library, DVDs, BDs, and whatnot.

This got me thinking: How much digital storage do I have in my home? Counting everything, Memory cards, Optical media(of any kind), SSD & HDD, I have about 230TB(yes terabytes) of total storage. A solid half of that is Optical media. EDIT: That's just a quick estimate. I'm going to do an exact count.

 

[cal5582]

jeez, what do you need all that storage for?

I make mods, monkey around with vms for testing. ive only filled up about 5 tb of it so far but i wanted to make sure i didnt run out anytime soon.

 

[stinger608]

Oh hell, I've still got 4 @ 2TB, 1 @ 4TB, a 6TB and a 8TB, spinners.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

On November 1, 2024, I was at the Lebanon, New Hampshire Best Buy and picked up a 4 TB Western Digital Purple!

 

[theFOoL]

Hmmm so I have Diablo 3/4 on this HDD and see what happens in loading Times. I'll probably switch the Folders to SSD but we'll see. I mainly have HDDs for storage mostly

I have Blizzard on my OS though

 

[Chrispy_]

I don't think hard drives are going away any time soon.

In the last couple of weeks I've retired a handful of smaller NASes (100-200TB each) and some hybrid storage from Nexsan and Nimble at 144TB and 126TB respectively - so around 1.5PB of storage, of which only about 40TB was SSD.

Spinning rust is still keeping pace with flash in the areas that count; HDDs remain a good 75-80% cheaper per TB and as higher capacity SSDs are released, so do higher capacity hard drives. The largest single hard drive used in that collection of retired hardware was 10TB, and most of the rest were 2-4TB drives. I don't think I've bought any individual disks this year smaller than 20TB. Meanwhile, consumer SSDs rushed to 4TB capacities years ago, and yet there are only a tiny handful of consumer/prosumer 8TB models with outrageous price tags and no sign of 16TB drives any time soon.

At home I have a pretty modest NAS using 30TB of spinning rust, but backed by a couple of SSDs running as both a write cache and a victim read cache. Running over a 2.5Gb network it's fast enough for machines to run games directly off the network and whilst it's never going to be as fast as even a single SATA SSD, it's still fast enough that I'm happy to use it as a games library for everything except my game or two of the month.

 

[johnspack]

I don't have many anymore but still need them. 3x 3tbs and 1 5tb and multiple smaller drives I either have installed internally, or use as external storage drives. All my ssds are for oses.
Poor mans build, but it works....

 

[iameatingjam]

No actual hard drives no, I got some sata ssds I kinda treat as hard drives though, storing all my downloads/videos and old or less demanding games that I figure wont benefit much from faster ssd speed.

 

[Assimilator]

I have some false HDDs, called SSDs.

 

[_roman_]

I do not want to use premium storage for "downloads" of source code for my gnu gentoo linux. (/usr/portage/distfiles) The package manager generates a checksum and compares that checksum before using a package. I wanted to see when the drive dies. A drive with lots of hdd errors. If a drive with error can still be used for certain tasks. Less writes for my premium storage. Smaller backups and faster backups of my hole gentoo box.

Sienna_Cichlid /home/roman # smartctl -a /dev/sdb1
smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [x86_64-linux-6.11.6-gentoo_04_11_2024] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     SAMSUNG SpinPoint F2 EG
Device Model:     SAMSUNG HD154UI
Serial Number:    * removed *
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0024e9 0024a11a3
Firmware Version: 1AG01118
User Capacity:    1,500,301,910,016 bytes [1.50 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database
ATA Version is:   ATA/ATAPI-7, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 3b
Local Time is:    Wed Nov  6 11:22:59 2024 CET

Some temporary files are generated on every boot just in RAM, the filesystem is called tmpfs.

 

[de.das.dude]

WD green 500GB, WD Blue 1TB EzEX and one 1TB laptop drive as external.

 

[9087125]

A while back when I modernized my laptops and I got exposed to the sheer speed of gen 3 nvme and then seeing the new gen 4s and usb4 with its insane speed i thought seriously that ssds could actually replace HDD, the idea was that even though data retention was not on par with HDD they are soo much faster but that I could double or even triple up on data integrity, where HDDs take literally days to checksum, these sdds would in theory take mere hours. On top of that id get rid ofthe horrid AC wall adaptor, Yuk! Well that notion turned out to be a catastrophic failure.
- There are horrible inconsistencies of usb-c, 4, its a lottery and the enclosures are cheap junk, i know i tested four different brands of 40Gb/s enclosures. They are overpriced inconsistent junk.
- Once the cache on both gen 4 and 5 is used up the write speeds tank like the voltage of a LiMPO4 cell after it hits ~ 3.28V. Going from 3.3-3.6GB/S to 0.8-1.3GB/s.
- 4TB is nothing but a disgusting joke, 8TB is a joke. We are at TWENTY-FREAKING FOUR TEE BEES CMR HDD, absolute joke! These babies can do 260MB/s write speed all day long without any care.
-Nvme are plagued with stability issues like files not copying properly at those high speeds. Proven beyond a doubt over many months. I routinely get errors and on a few systems.

All these issues severely undermine ssds.

Then you just have to look at the growing evidence of data corruption, drives failing etc. not gonna spend that much on a 16TB, far too risky.
I only buy from brands like samsung, just too risky going a lesser known brand.
For what i do Gen5 is alot faster than Gen4, and good Gen 5 tops out at 4TB.

Then we have sata ssds, my samsung 8tbs can only do ~80-140MB/s sustained write speeds after cache is used up which is an embarrassment, HDDs are alot faster. These samsungs can do ~505MB/s read in my tasks but the write speeds are just unbearable. I do like 2.5" form factor as they are like credit cards and emit little heat, so i can put them anywhere in the case without worry.

Are HDDs perfect? no. under standard windows 10, my drives are constantly being accessed for no good reason other than to torment me, thats thanks to the wonderful people at Microsoft. Is there a way to stop this? Nope! of course not! why on earth would we want that to happen, what is wrong with you son??? your drives are getting a good workout and so is your ears, you should actually be very thankful of us you know. And dont bother complaining about how folders in usb HDDs frequently stay unresponsive for 8-10seconds, haha thats just normal, even though it never ever happened on windows Vista and 7, that annoying ridiculous lag is normal.

So yeah as sdds get cheaper our data gets more and more larger, its like Achilles, he never can catch the tortoise!

 

[Chrispy_]

A while back when I modernized my laptops and I got exposed to the sheer speed of gen 3 nvme and then seeing the new gen 4s and usb4 with its insane speed i thought seriously that ssds could actually replace HDD, the idea was that even though data retention was not on par with HDD they are soo much faster but that I could double or even triple up on data integrity, where HDDs take literally days to checksum, these sdds would in theory take mere hours. On top of that id get rid ofthe horrid AC wall adaptor, Yuk! Well that notion turned out to be a catastrophic failure.
- There are horrible inconsistencies of usb-c, 4, its a lottery and the enclosures are cheap junk, i know i tested four different brands of 40Gb/s enclosures. They are overpriced inconsistent junk.
- Once the cache on both gen 4 and 5 is used up the write speeds tank like the voltage of a LiMPO4 cell after it hits ~ 3.28V. Going from 3.3-3.6GB/S to 0.8-1.3GB/s.
- 4TB is nothing but a disgusting joke, 8TB is a joke. We are at TWENTY-FREAKING FOUR TEE BEES CMR HDD, absolute joke! These babies can do 260MB/s write speed all day long without any care.
-Nvme are plagued with stability issues like files not copying properly at those high speeds. Proven beyond a doubt over many months. I routinely get errors and on a few systems.

All these issues severely undermine ssds.

Then you just have to look at the growing evidence of data corruption, drives failing etc. not gonna spend that much on a 16TB, far too risky.
I only buy from brands like samsung, just too risky going a lesser known brand.
For what i do Gen5 is alot faster than Gen4, and good Gen 5 tops out at 4TB.

Then we have sata ssds, my samsung 8tbs can only do ~80-140MB/s sustained write speeds after cache is used up which is an embarrassment, HDDs are alot faster. These samsungs can do ~505MB/s read in my tasks but the write speeds are just unbearable. I do like 2.5" form factor as they are like credit cards and emit little heat, so i can put them anywhere in the case without worry.

Are HDDs perfect? no. under standard windows 10, my drives are constantly being accessed for no good reason other than to torment me, thats thanks to the wonderful people at Microsoft. Is there a way to stop this? Nope! of course not! why on earth would we want that to happen, what is wrong with you son??? your drives are getting a good workout and so is your ears, you should actually be very thankful of us you know. And dont bother complaining about how folders in usb HDDs frequently stay unresponsive for 8-10seconds, haha thats just normal, even though it never ever happened on windows Vista and 7, that annoying ridiculous lag is normal.

So yeah as sdds get cheaper our data gets more and more larger, its like Achilles, he never can catch the tortoise!

yeah, if you're writing a ton of large files to spinning rust, they're not actually that much slower than modern, high-capacity SSDs - especially those using QLC. I'm seeing ~250MB/s sustained writes from individual Seagate IronWolf Pros, which isn't exactly fast, but it's no longer order-of-magnitude slower than QLC SSDs that have run out of cache.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

but it's no longer order-of-magnitude slower than QLC SSDs that have run out of cache.

This is why spinners are far from dead as storage formats.

 

[Wirko]

- There are horrible inconsistencies of usb-c, 4, its a lottery and the enclosures are cheap junk, i know i tested four different brands of 40Gb/s enclosures. They are overpriced inconsistent junk.

DRAM-less SSDs? They are designed to work well with HMB, and may be very poorly optimised for operation without that.

Are HDDs perfect? no. under standard windows 10, my drives are constantly being accessed for no good reason other than to torment me, thats thanks to the wonderful people at Microsoft. Is there a way to stop this? Nope! of course not! why on earth would we want that to happen, what is wrong with you son??? your drives are getting a good workout and so is your ears, you should actually be very thankful of us you know. And dont bother complaining about how folders in usb HDDs frequently stay unresponsive for 8-10seconds, haha thats just normal, even though it never ever happened on windows Vista and 7, that annoying ridiculous lag is normal.

Ah. Good to know. I'm planning (and delaying as much as possible) a transition from 7 to 10, and also adding a HDD to the system. Will wrap it in rubber so thoroughly that no sound can come out. But seriously, back when all we had were HDDs, I always suspended them on rubber strips.