Nvidia's GPU market share hits 90% in Q4 2024 (gets closer to full monopoly)

[oxrufiioxo]

Disagree, raw performance only matters at the flagship and halo segments. AMD has a decent performer at the flagship tier with the 7900 XTX despite its numerous drawbacks, but they don't compete with halo - that is perfectly fine. No need to do this.

Given that the highest end rdna4 card will be mid range i don't see them exceeding 600 usd. I doubt it will be using anything beyond TSMC 4.

High end gpus sure though anything actually worthwhile going forward will be expensive

 

[3valatzy]

Disagree, raw performance only matters at the flagship and halo segments. AMD has a decent performer at the flagship tier with the 7900 XTX despite its numerous drawbacks, but they don't compete with halo - that is perfectly fine. No need to do this.

When AMD offers the same performance for several years, it is very normal to expect declining interest and less sales - this is all that this thread and its headline are about.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

We are all screwed most likely regardless lol

 

[Timbaloo]

A company does not need to own the entire market to be considered monopolistic or to be wielding "monopolistic powers" as the FTC would put it.

Ultimately it comes down to how much influence a company has over the market, if customers are being harmed, if competition is being stifled, ect.

Nvidia has essentially complete control over not only the dGPU market but also adjacent markets like software integrations, APIs, and even has it's tech integrated into monitors and mice.

There is plenty of evidence of customers being harmed too just from the price hikes alone, let alone the eroding value they are receving, being locked into Nvidia's ecosystem (this espeically applies to CUDA), planned obsolescence (low RAM), and being force to update because Nvidia is gating new features that could run on old cards off to new products only. 3000 series had power spikes and feed noise back into the 12vsense pin that Nvidia didn't feel the need to fix until 4000 series. 4000 series had crap connectors that was addressed months after launch with no options for existing customers to trade-in their cards.

Competition is absolutely being stifled as well. Nvidia coerces it's partners to disadvantages it's competitors in the gaming and AI spaces and the constant march of Nvidia software lock-in makes it extremely hard for anyone to enter the market or for competitors. Anyone that wants to hop into the market has to deal with the disadvantage that they won't be able to use any locked-down features, which hurts both customers and competition.

It's a very common misconception that a company needs to have 100% ownership of a market in order to be a monopoly but how many monopolies do you know actually reached that point? Bell Systems is a classic example of a monopoly and they were broken up at 86% of the market.

Comparing Nvidia's control of the market, their anti-competitive practices, their total share of the market, and harm to customers they absolute quality as a monopoly if you look at past examples. If you doubt they legally qualify as a monopoly then you simply have not actually researched past monopolies.

While I could start dissecting your post, I'll ask you a very simple question: Does not any of the remarks you made also apply to the x86 duopoly, or MS Windows, in a much more significant way? Did this duopoly, or the so called "Wintel cartel" at any point got split like Bell? Or having their patents/licences revoked? Rhetorical question...

If AMD and intel decides to quit from dGPU production how can it be no monopoly. Who will hold them with force to not quit ?

You can still buy GPUs from AMD, intel, Qualcomm, Mediatek, ... just not dGPUs. Do you really think this considered a monopoly just because you personally feel the need to possess a dGPU when you could just buy a console, handheld, iGPU, mobile phone? Do you really think a Top 3 company would be split because of dGPUs? Seriously?

 

[evernessince]

While I could start dissecting your post, I'll ask you a very simple question: Does not any of the remarks you made also apply to the x86 duopoly, or MS Windows, in a much more significant way? Did this duopoly, or the so called "Wintel cartel" at any point got split like Bell? Or having their patents/licences revoked? Rhetorical question...

If you could you'd do so and not reply with a question attempting to distract. I'm waiting for the clownshow, please lay it out for me.

 

[3valatzy]

x86 duopoly

IBM has asked Intel for a permission to grant access to an alternative maker - that's why we have AMD today and a very competitive x86-64 ecosystem. There are other x86 licenses as well.

MS Windows

There are alternatives like the Apple MacOS and Linux, which means Android.
It can be argued that Windows survives because there is a need for a unified system, so that all apps run on the same system without too much software developing efforts to create versions for more OSes.

Do you remember the mighty Sony-IBM-Toshiba PowerPC Cell processor that run the Sony PlayStation 3 ?
Why doesn't Sony still use the PowerPC for its recent consoles ? Because lazy developers.

You can still buy GPUs from AMD, intel, Qualcomm, Mediatek, ... just not dGPUs. Do you really think this considered a monopoly just because you personally feel the need to possess a dGPU when you could just buy a console, handheld, iGPU, mobile phone? Do you really think a Top 3 company would be split because of dGPUs? Seriously?

This is nonsense. The GPUs from Qualcomm, Mediatek, console, handheld, mobile phone are not desktop, so you can't use them for the intended purposes !

 

[Space Lynx]

If AMD's stupid pricing tactics continues, it will be forced to exit the market, altogether. It has been said for a while now!

what stupid tactics? my 7900 xt was an amazing buy at 705 bucks in july 2023 (prime day sale), incredible buy, like 15 fps slower in raster games at 1440p across the board once oc'd compared to a 2 grand 4090, and drivers have been perfect for me since launch, 0 issues and i usually upgrade day 1.

the only thing these charts prove is that people are sheeple

 

[Krit]

the only thing these charts prove is that people are sheeple

100% and not so many even have tried 6000/7000 series drivers on them are about the same as nvidias. I would say not all but some of amd gpus are definitely priced too high.

 

[3valatzy]

what stupid tactics? my 7900 xt was an amazing buy at 705 bucks in july 2023

When your economy is stagnating, people can't make the ends meet, asking so much money is insane.

Remember Radeon HD 4870 against GTX 480.
Do you know the story?

Radeon RX 7900 XT has no value at 705 bucks. Especially when that's the lowest price on Earth that you are lucky to see. In most countries around the globe the price is 30-40% higher than that.

 

[Krit]

Remember Radeon HD 4870 against GTX 480.

It's GTX 280 against HD 4870 amd has way better value p/p. But die size also was way smaller on amd side. Now it's reverse. AMD needs to quit making these stupid big chiplet dies it probably harms total cost of whole graphics card.

GTX 480 vs HD 5870 was something similar. AMD's aggression was wild in these days but also they had big advantage with smaller die sizes that cost less so.....

 

[nguyen]

Looks to me more like AMD has been under-supplying Radeon to everywhere beside the few richest nations on earth; that causes pricing parity between Radeon and RTX and yeah no one buy Radeon when it cost just as much as RTX equivalent.

BTW Nvidia has been steadily gaining marketshare, meaning that people who had older Radeon are buying the latest RTX (because it's more readily available everywhere), I guess these people are considered as sheeple too

 

[Dr. Dro]

It's GTX 280 against HD 4870 amd has way better value p/p. But die size also was way smaller on amd side. Now it's reverse. AMD needs to quit making these stupid big chiplet dies it probably harms total cost of whole graphics card.

GTX 480 vs HD 5870 was something similar. AMD's aggression was wild in these days but also they had big advantage with smaller die sizes that cost less so.....

If anything, they should double down on chiplets. Large monolithic dies are very expensive and have much lower yield, especially on newer nodes. The purpose of chiplets is, in fact, maximize yield and minimize production costs.

 

[nguyen]

If anything, they should double down on chiplets. Large monolithic dies are very expensive and have much lower yield, especially on newer nodes. The purpose of chiplets is, in fact, maximize yield and minimize production costs.

All of TSMC COWOS capacity are being used for AI chips, gaming chips will be monolithic for the forseeable future.

TSMC's Entire CoWoS Supply Reportedly Reserved By NVIDIA & AMD Until 2025

AMD & NVIDIA have reportedly reserved TSMC's entire CoWoS production for the next two years as both firms aggressively compete in the AI race.

wccftech.com

 

[taka]

Launching hardware today and delivering drivers/software 3-9 months later didn't help AMD and Intel sell last gen. In my opinion pricing also had some influence but the software...
I'm not buying stuff and wait for "fine wine drivers" and also i'm no beta tester for them. If they need beta testers they can send at their expense the hardware and pay me to test it.
I hate Nvidia guts since 3DFX but hey let's face it, they had the better product since Geforce GTS with some bumps on 200 till 500 GTX series.

 

[wolf]

AMD needs to make it cool to own a Radeon card again. That should be their maximum priority

Desperately, and you know what too? Part of the problem is their most vocal fanbase members, that makes maining a current Radeon less appealing to me by association with these people. Constantly and actively crapping on anything and everything Nvidia, claiming majority/everyone who buys them are sheep or brain-dead who just allowed themselves to succumb to marketing, "influencers" and of course their favourite, gimmicks. That the legitimate enthusiasts are shills with the subtext through all this being that they're smarter and of course somehow also morally superior to boot, to have chosen Radeon.

II know that if I personally bought and mained a new/current Radeon that wouldn't be me, but hot damn the most vocal and often folk who bleat those talking points ad nauseum are not doing RTG any favours in increasing positive mindshare. The ones that tend to agree are more often than not already indoctrinated.

 

[AcE]

I've already said it one time, gonna say it again:

We have 1 (one) real GPU maker, that's Nvidia. Then 2 companies (AMD, Intel) who just do it on the side, and Intel is small and weak on top, they barely count, tbh. It's as simple as this, Nvidia is too strong to be countered, or be competitive, with a company who just does GPUs "on the side". In other words, they are too weak to be competitive with Nvidia. It's a very simple concept. If AMDs "Ryzen" were a GPU, AMD would be highly competitive, but it's not, AMDs main business is CPU, and thus Ryzen is like the Geforce of CPUs.

Basically, Nvidia has free reign over the GPU market, they have weak competition that has lower care about GPUs than they do.

Irony, because in datacenter AMD has very much so strong GPUs, that are huge and expensive, very different compared to their Radeon offerings which use chiplet designs to save "wafers" and "cost" and are just too weak.

 

[Krit]

Launching hardware today and delivering drivers/software 3-9 months later didn't help AMD

Drivers for 7000 Series are decent using my RX 7800 XT for a long time now. Also earlier i used RX 7900 XT and no problems there. Which generation of AMD gpus did you use to have such an opinion?

These guys who defends nvidia so strongly also supports higher prices by default! Like it or not it's true.

 

[chrcoluk]

Looks to me more like AMD has been under-supplying Radeon to everywhere beside the few richest nations on earth; that causes pricing parity between Radeon and RTX and yeah no one buy Radeon when it cost just as much as RTX equivalent.

BTW Nvidia has been steadily gaining marketshare, meaning that people who had older Radeon are buying the latest RTX (because it's more readily available everywhere), I guess these people are considered as sheeple too

I remember a few years back I was trying to find AMD's version of the FE, and they decided to not distribute in the UK, dont know if thats still the same situation.

 

[AcE]

I remember a few years back I was trying to find AMD's version of the FE, and they decided to not distribute in the UK, dont know if thats still the same situation.

It was sold to whole of Europe through the AMD shop, I'm pretty sure.

 

[chrcoluk]

It was sold to whole of Europe through the AMD shop, I'm pretty sure.

Think was EU rather than Europe, we left the EU.

 

[AcE]

Think was EU rather than Europe, we left the EU.

That's why i said "Europe" not "EU".

 

[taka]

Drivers for 7000 Series are decent using my RX 7800 XT for a long time now. Also earlier i used RX 7900 XT and no problems there. Which generation of AMD gpus did you use to have such an opinion?

These guys who defends nvidia so strongly also supports higher prices by default! Like it or not it's true.

FSR3 came 9 months after 7000 series....

Last disapoiment from AMD was Rx570 8GB for me. Never had anything newer. Black screen, textures not loading or textures loading with bad geometry and the fact that gaming clocks do not revert to P1 after exiting games made me give up on AMD cards.

They need at least 3 flawless generations to get back some of the bad drivers reputation for me. And day one drivers/software on product release not half a year later.

Cheers.

 

[Krit]

FSR3 came 9 months after 7000 series....

And thats all ? Because FSR3 is not so important as FSR2...... For example in Last of us part 1 FSR2 feels significantly better than FSR3 to me personally these fake generation frames are worse than real FSR2....

Last disapoiment from AMD was Rx570 8GB for me. Never had anything newer.

That's the biggest issue right here! If you never used how can you tell?

 

[taka]

And thats all ? Because FSR3 is not so important as FSR2...... For example in Last of us part 1 FSR2 feels significantly better than FSR3 to me personally these fake generation frames are worse than real FSR2....

This guy can't remember his name talked about FSR3 on launch day and delivered 9 months after. This is how much a baby need to be before it's born.

 

[AcE]

This guy can't remember his name talked about FSR3 on launch day

He didn't he promised it as a future upgrade. And that's it. You're warping reality.