ASUS GeForce RTX 5070 Ti TUF OC

[Broken Processor]

Why compare it against 4070 ti instead of the 4070 ti super since it replaced the ti? Not sure I agree about 30% uplift because it's compared against the wrong card and some games really skewed those results.The card got an award us that a joke? A 70 class card at 1000.00 getting a recommended award is a joke who cares about the but expensive award tacked on at the end.

This is kind of bullshit, though?

"I've plotted various alternative price points in our price/performance charts, reaching up to $1100, which, according to some early postings might end up being a realistic price point. We'll know more tomorrow, when sales go up.

The ASUS RTX 5070 Ti TUF OC comes at an MSRP of $1000—yes, you read that right! That's $250 more than the NVIDIA MSRP of $750, or +33%."

"It goes up to eleven" was used for base cards that should be $750, but we all know they won't. So why is the most expensive conceivable option for a $1000 card just 10% more? Lack of imagination?

Price to performance is a joke, as is matching 7900xtx in raster. Compared against ti instead of ti super that replaced the ti. I was genuinely sad reading this shit this morning.

 

[AusWolf]

Why compare it against 4070 ti instead of the 4070 ti super since it replaced the ti? Not sure I agree about 30% uplift because it's compared against the wrong card and some games really skewed those results.The card got an award us that a joke? A 70 class card at 1000.00 getting a recommended award is a joke who cares about the but expensive award tacked on at the end.


Price to performance is a joke, as is matching 7900xtx in raster. Compared against ti instead of ti super that replaced the ti. I was genuinely sad read this shit this morning.

I don't know why pretend that the 40 Super cards never existed. I've seen this with the 5080 review and comments, and I'm seeing it now. And yeah, every card is "editor's choice" now, it seems.

 

[JustBenching]

Why compare it against 4070 ti instead of the 4070 ti super

Because generationally the 5070ti replaces the 4070ti. The super came out last year. You can compare it with whatever you want of course, but if you compare it to the super you can't call that a generational comparison since the super is a mid gen upgrade. Someone that buys a card every gen or every other gen didn't upgrade from the 4070ti to the 4070ti super, he still has the 4070ti so that's the relevant comparison for him. Someone that bought the 4070ti super isn't going to upgrade his GPU again within a year, so the 5070ti super (if it gets released) is what he is looking at to upgrade.

Price to performance is a joke, as is matching 7900xtx in raster

Compared to the 7900xtx, price to performance is great when it comes to RT. If you don't care about RT then obviously any card with loads of it is going to be expensive for you, since a lot of it's resources is spent on something you don't want.

As of right now cheapest xtx in EU is 919€, cheapest 5070ti is 879€. Both out of stock of course. Cheapest XTX in stock 1.070€.

 

[AusWolf]

Because generationally the 5070ti replaces the 4070ti. The super came out last year. You can compare it with whatever you want of course, but if you compare it to the super you can't call that a generational comparison since the super is a mid gen upgrade. Someone that buys a card every gen or every other gen didn't upgrade from the 4070ti to the 4070ti super, he still has the 4070ti so that's the relevant comparison for him. Someone that bought the 4070ti super isn't going to upgrade his GPU again within a year, so the 5070ti super (if it gets released) is what he is looking at to upgrade.

There is no such thing as mid-gen. There's only Ampere, Ada, Blackwell, etc. Old card vs new card, price-for-price. The rest is bullshit.

Compared to the 7900xtx, price to performance is great when it comes to RT. If you don't care about RT then obviously any card with loads of it is going to be expensive for you, since a lot of it's resources is spent on something you don't want.

Only recommending Nvidia only because it's better in RT, with a complete disregard for other factors is marketing material level stuff, not fit for a review.

 

[JustBenching]

There is no such thing as mid-gen. There's only Ampere, Ada, Blackwell, etc. Old card vs new card, price-for-price. The rest is bullshit.

Of course there is a mid gen upgrade. Or face-lift. Or whatever you wanna call it. The only sane comparison is to the 4070ti, cause whoever bought the super isn't upgrading within a year, and even if he is huge performance gains aren't expected within a year. Your argument boils down to "if the 4070ti super didn't exist the 5070ti would be a better card" which sense does not make.

Only recommending Nvidia only because it's better in RT, with a complete disregard for other factors is marketing material level stuff, not fit for a review.

Every other factor is better on the 5070ti compared to the xtx. Power draw features rt etc. There is nothing the xtx does better, and since at least in EU price is very similar (actually the 5070 is cheaper) it's a no brainer.

 

[AusWolf]

Of course there is a mid gen upgrade. Or face-lift. Or whatever you wanna call it.

I wanna call it "the same stuff with a different name" if you don't mind. As I said, there's no such thing as mid-gen.

The only sane comparison is to the 4070ti, cause whoever bought the super isn't upgrading within a year, and even if he is huge performance gains aren't expected within a year. Your argument boils down to "if the 4070ti super didn't exist the 5070ti would be a better card" which sense does not make.

No, that is an absolutely insane comparison. The 4070 Ti got replaced by the Ti Super, and now, the Ti Super is being replaced by the 5070 Ti. Or do you think people who got a 4070 Ti are going to run to the nearest shop to get a 5070 Ti because it's so much better?

Every other factor is better on the 5070ti compared to the xtx. Power draw features rt etc. There is nothing the xtx does better, and since at least in EU price is very similar (actually the 5070 is cheaper) it's a no brainer.

We started the discussion regarding a $1000 Asus Tuf 5070 Ti, mind you.

 

[JustBenching]

I wanna call it "the same stuff with a different name" if you don't mind. As I said, there's no such thing as mid-gen.


No, that is an absolutely insane comparison. The 4070 Ti got replaced by the Ti Super, and now, the Ti Super is being replaced by the 5070 Ti. Or do you think people who got a 4070 Ti are going to run to the nearest shop to get a 5070 Ti because it's so much better?


We started the discussion regarding a $1000 Asus Tuf 5070 Ti, mind you.

I agree, someone with a 4070ti should not be upgrading to a 5070ti cause the performance gain is lackluster, but that has noting to do with the 4070ti super is my point.

 

[wNotyarD]

@JustBenching tell me, in its reviews, was the mid-gen 4080S compared to the former mid-gen 3080Ti or to the earlier card in its own bracket the 4080?

 

[AusWolf]

I agree, someone with a 4070ti should not be upgrading to a 5070ti cause the performance gain is lackluster, but that has noting to do with the 4070ti super is my point.

Let's just say that whether you compare it to the 4070 Ti, or the Ti Super, it doesn't matter. The 5070 Ti is still a weak upgrade. I know it's not a "Super" card, but I'm still gonna call it the 5070 Ti S. S for Stagnation.

 

[mazty]

What a sad state of affairs for tech power up to be so scared of annoying Asus that they give an inexcusably overpriced card that's 25% more expensive than MSRP the "editor choice award". No one would buy this card - it's not an AIO edition and brings nothing worthy of that price to the table.

The performance is truly miserable as Nvidia asked these cards to be compared against the 3080, not the 4070ti super and the reason is obvious - it's the weakest generational uplift since the 700 series.

Editors award seems to have fallen to the level of "participation trophy".

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

If I remember right Nvidia tried to black list HUB from review samples because they didnt give DLSS a level of attention that Nvidia wanted, was media back lash and Nvidia relented.

And right after, they became the biggest defenders of dlss.

Just look at all the hit pieces that Tim Jensen released blasting AMD because it was RUMORED that they blocked the implementation of dlss in Starfield.

What really bothers me is that none of these influencers neither the dumb consumers are saying anything about how dlss is the worse thing to happen to gaming, since its real main purpose is to keep you locked into Ngreedias hardware.

PC gaming is dangerously close to lose its openness as a platform.

Back in the day, when we had fair reviewers, they would call out such bullshit and it would be an automatic “Con” in all reviews, be games or hardware.

Now?

We get beauties like this:

Imagine if another vendor released a product at the same performance across the board, for a 33% markup. It would get absolutely lambasted as this turd from ASUS should and any card above $800 for a 5070ti.

No need to imagine it, it was done with the Radeon rdna3 line, especially with the 7900xtx

And whats worse, that gpu was actually faster and still had the same msrp of the gpu that replaced.

 

[Bwaze]

In the past when the new generation was released the old cards were heavily discounted, sometimes throwing a bad light on new generation, even if that had a good price / performance uplift. I remember when RTX 20x0 cards were released there were tons of GTX 10x0 cards just discounted after they held their abnormally high prices since crypto crashed months previously. For instance RTX 2080 Ti was a horrible value at $1000 compared to discounted GTX 1080 Ti cards - and there were tons of used cards from cryptominers, some of them barely used, since they were bought just before the crash. People defended Nvidia by saying you have to look at original MSRP, not discounted prices.


Now Nvidia doesn't have that problems. They stop production of previous generation months before, so the scarcity kicks in before the next gen comes to the shelves.

Is the RTX 5080 basically an RTX 4080 Super, just priced absurdly high? Doesn't matter, you can't get an RTX 4080 Super at normal price now.

So the reviews can include that wonderful line:

"There really isn't any alternative to the *insert card* in this segment, and NVIDIA knows that, and they designed the card with that in mind. No reason to give you +50% of anything if there's no competing product."

 

[Broken Processor]

Because generationally the 5070ti replaces the 4070ti. The super came out last year. You can compare it with whatever you want of course, but if you compare it to the super you can't call that a generational comparison since the super is a mid gen upgrade. Someone that buys a card every gen or every other gen didn't upgrade from the 4070ti to the 4070ti super, he still has the 4070ti so that's the relevant comparison for him. Someone that bought the 4070ti super isn't going to upgrade his GPU again within a year, so the 5070ti super (if it gets released) is what he is looking at to upgrade.

Let's not forget the 4070 ti was originally skewed to be a lower tier 4080 but backlash got it demoted. The 4070 ti was a very bad selling card the price to performance was abysmal the 4070 ti super kinda fixed that. But the 4070 ti super was the last card in that skew so it should have been the default choice for comparison.

You think RT is more important than raster? Name 10 examples of games with RT where RT actually makes the game look so much better that playing a game without it would be impossible for you to look at it. RT is here and Nvidia seems to be pushing it come hell or high water but the hit is still to big we need games to run smooth first and foremost and DLSS and the like are not the answer and the start of a slippery slope because before to long we won't be buying a GPU we will be buying an AI compute card for AI to generate the game and maybe that won't be bad. DLSS 4.0 it's actually decent until it screws up then it's lag city until it sorts itself out and it's a definite no no for online gaming but what happens there because you got no raster.

It needs addressing now because if not I'm genuinely concerned for gaming and this transition isn't going well. But my concern is we got old folks like Jensen (pure speculation) who are at best casual gamers deciding what gamers want.

 

[AusWolf]

What a sad state of affairs for tech power up to be so scared of annoying Asus that they give an inexcusably overpriced card that's 25% more expensive than MSRP the "editor choice award". No one would buy this card - it's not an AIO edition and brings nothing worthy of that price to the table.

The performance is truly miserable as Nvidia asked these cards to be compared against the 3080, not the 4070ti super and the reason is obvious - it's the weakest generational uplift since the 700 series.

Editors award seems to have fallen to the level of "participation trophy".

It's actually 33% over MSRP. 250 is 33% of 750.

In the past when the new generation was released the old cards were heavily discounted, sometimes throwing a bad light on new generation, even if that had a good price / performance uplift. I remember when RTX 20x0 cards were released there were tons of GTX 10x0 cards just discounted after they held their abnormally high prices since crypto crashed months previously. For instance RTX 2080 Ti was a horrible value at $1000 compared to discounted GTX 1080 Ti cards - and there were tons of used cards from cryptominers, some of them barely used, since they were bought just before the crash. People defended Nvidia by saying you have to look at original MSRP, not discounted prices.


Now Nvidia doesn't have that problems. They stop production of previous generation months before, so the scarcity kicks in before the next gen comes to the shelves.

Is the RTX 5080 basically an RTX 4080 Super, just priced absurdly high? Doesn't matter, you can't get an RTX 4080 Super at normal price now.

So the reviews can include that wonderful line:

"There really isn't any alternative to the *insert card* in this segment, and NVIDIA knows that, and they designed the card with that in mind. No reason to give you +50% of anything if there's no competing product."

Back then, a new generation used to give you a lot more for the same price. Now, it's the same card with a new name.

 

[wolf]

Just look at all the hit pieces that Tim Jensen released blasting AMD because it was RUMORED that they blocked the implementation of dlss in Starfield.

You know I wasn't convinced before, but the name calling and ignoring every other piece of evidence and reasoning that lead to their conclusion has me totally sold now.

Back in the day, when we had fair reviewers, they would call out such bullshit and it would be an automatic “Con” in all reviews, be games or hardware.

I've asked you for receipts on this before, and I'll ask again, because statements like what I just quoted are hyperbolic at best, and purposely false to promote a false narrative at worst.

 

[JustBenching]

Let's just say that whether you compare it to the 4070 Ti, or the Ti Super, it doesn't matter. The 5070 Ti is still a weak upgrade. I know it's not a "Super" card, but I'm still gonna call it the 5070 Ti S. S for Stagnation.

See, we agree, when a card is lackluster already you don't need to compare it to the super, even comparing it to the normal 4070ti it stinks.

 

[freeagent]

I'd still rather buy an MSRP card

Then you will have to wait, right now I think it is pretty obvious that demand outstrips supply.

Personally, the only thing I "bitch and moan" about is the recommendation to overspend on a mid-range card. It is the last thing I'd suggest anyone to do because it makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever, especially during today's hard times.

You gotta pay to play bro, no pay, no play.

 

[JustBenching]

And right after, they became the biggest defenders of dlss.

Just look at all the hit pieces that Tim Jensen released blasting AMD because it was RUMORED that they blocked the implementation of dlss in Starfield.

What really bothers me is that none of these influencers neither the dumb consumers are saying anything about how dlss is the worse thing to happen to gaming, since its real main purpose is to keep you locked into Ngreedias hardware.

PC gaming is dangerously close to lose its openness as a platform.

Back in the day, when we had fair reviewers, they would call out such bullshit and it would be an automatic “Con” in all reviews, be games or hardware.

Now?

We get beauties like this:

View attachment 385861

No need to imagine it, it was done with the Radeon rdna3 line, especially with the 7900xtx

And whats worse, that gpu was actually faster and still had the same msrp of the gpu that replaced.

DLSS cannot lock you to any brand cause it's not an investment. Locking you into a platform is something like spending 3k $ for windows software which means you can't move to eg. Linux even if Linux might be better cause you'll need to respend another 3k. How is dlss locking you anywhere? It makes 0 sense

You think RT is more important than raster? Name 10 examples of games with RT where RT actually makes the game look so much better that playing a game without it would be impossible for you to look at it.

Yes I think RT is more important in the high end cause gpus can run most raster games just fine or even great. It's the rt games they struggle with. A card that offers 3 times the raster performance of my 4090 but half the RT is absolutely useless to me and it will make my gaming experience worse.

 

[Broken Processor]

DLSS cannot lock you to any brand cause it's not an investment. Locking you into a platform is something like spending 3k $ for windows software which means you can't move to eg. Linux even if Linux might be better cause you'll need to respend another 3k. How is dlss locking you anywhere? It makes 0 sense


Yes I think RT is more important in the high end cause gpus can run most raster games just fine or even great. It's the rt games they struggle with. A card that offers 3 times the raster performance of my 4090 but half the RT is absolutely useless to me and it will make my gaming experience worse.

Name the 10 examples? I'm willing to be educated.

You gotta pay to play bro, no pay, no play.

There is an argument to be made for buying a 90 class card because yes expensive they hold there value (currently). Unfortunately I'm not happy with 5090 lack of shunts for regulating power as demonstrated by der8auer. And time will tell if this affects 80 class cards also but I doubt it.

I'm strongly considering a 5090 but they just aren't as strong as I was expecting. I was all set to watch a few reviews to make sure then get a order in after water blocks are released. But yeah it a vaporware release and I'm kinda glad because I'll be holding off until power is sorted. A GPU I can loose np but my machine would cost a hell of a lot more and I'm not risking it. I'm hoping Der8auer or some other manufacturer will release a product that will load balance the power even on lower end cards it would beneficial.

 

[Sake]

Agreed. 5070Ti is basically the GDDR7 variant of the 2.5 year old RTX 4080. The two card are almost identical (same amount of ram, same processor node, same transistor count, same memory bus, same power draw, almost identical raw performance).

Essentially a re-badged 2.5-year-old 4080 with GDDR7 for almost a thousand bucks. Clown show.

I don't understand why do people speak about the price being 1000$. I still didn't find a store where it sells close to that price.

 

[AusWolf]

Then you will have to wait, right now I think it is pretty obvious that demand outstrips supply.

That's why I wouldn't put an "editor's choice" badge on such a card. It definitely isn't my choice, or anyone else's who values their money.

You gotta pay to play bro, no pay, no play.

Erm... nah. With reduced settings, even a 6600 XT can play anything. It's more than enough until we see some normality in prices again.

 

[JustBenching]

Name the 10 examples? I'm willing to be educated.

Even if there is 1 example doesn't change the fact, all high end cards can handle raster games just fine, it's rt games they struggle with.

 

[chrcoluk]

And right after, they became the biggest defenders of dlss.

Just look at all the hit pieces that Tim Jensen released blasting AMD because it was RUMORED that they blocked the implementation of dlss in Starfield.

What really bothers me is that none of these influencers neither the dumb consumers are saying anything about how dlss is the worse thing to happen to gaming, since its real main purpose is to keep you locked into Ngreedias hardware.

PC gaming is dangerously close to lose its openness as a platform.

Back in the day, when we had fair reviewers, they would call out such bullshit and it would be an automatic “Con” in all reviews, be games or hardware.

Now?

We get beauties like this:

View attachment 385861

No need to imagine it, it was done with the Radeon rdna3 line, especially with the 7900xtx

And whats worse, that gpu was actually faster and still had the same msrp of the gpu that replaced.

I would say RT is far worse than DLSS, and the DLAA side of DLSS is a way of mitigating the nightmare which is TAA. Of course Nvidia do vendor lock in for features, they have done it for long time, and will probably keep doing it.
Hardware PhysX
CSAA
MFAA
Gsync (as originally done, and still lock in if the monitor uses Nvidia chip)
DLSS
RT (as originally done)

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I agree with the above posts about the ti super should have been used as the comparison card, I skimmed over to the last few pages, so didnt realise TPU used the wrong card.

 

[Broken Processor]

Even if there is 1 example doesn't change the fact, all high end cards can handle raster games just fine, it's rt games they struggle with.

Lol. Kthx.

 

[JLBENEDICT]

I don't know why pretend that the 40 Super cards never existed. I've seen this with the 5080 review and comments, and I'm seeing it now. And yeah, every card is "editor's choice" now, it seems.

"Editor's Choice" increases sales ... the new indirect way of shilling