NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

[Darc Requiem]

These 5090 cards are rapidly becoming a complete meme at this point.

What the fck

Now let's imagine a fantasy world where AMD actually did release a high end offering with improved RT capability, 3x 8 pin pcie and you know, just something that's properly engineered. I know its a big ask, but... They would likely be able to make a killing.

Okay I've imagined that world and in it people still buy the 5090 in spite of all the issues, the "MSRP" is just $1600 instead of $2000. But don't worry it's stil retailing for more than $2000 in this world too

@Bwaze To answer your question 5090 Sn (Tin)

 

[ir_cow]

I bet that was suppose to the 5090 originally and the 5090 we have now would be a Titan card.

 

[JustBenching]

The funny thing is AMD did catch them with Polaris and Vega was faster but Crypto first and then RT/DLSS narrative pushed it back down. Then Nvidia started selling Gaming GPUs directly to China and it juiced their Gaming numbers to to the conceived 90% market share. Then the PC Community will tell you it is all people buying 4090s from Brick and Mortar and e-tailers.

Vega? Vega was the biggest flop amd has ever released. Came a year too late, prices were absolutely insane and power draw was nuts vs nvidias last year offerings.

Except there are 100+ other options except Apple on the phone market.
On the video cards market, there is currently only intel and AMD, both with sub par offerings both on hardware, also software level. Yes, nGreedia currently holds a monopoly on the GPU market, so people are buying its products because there is no other choice. If AMD would have something better than DLLS 4, 4xFrame Gen, hardware PhysX, or hardware G-SYNC equivalent, then I would jump the wagon in an instant without looking back.
I still miss the best AMD (ATI) card ever produced, the Radeon HD 5870.

Oh but come on, all of these features (including broadcast, RTX super resolution, RTX HDR) are useless and only idiots and sheep buy nvidia. /s

I long for the day Ill login into the forum and won't have to read these kinds of comments from salty amd fans that are mad their favorite multibilion dollar company aint competitive but nope, we have to deal with this crap. 6 pages in and "idiots / sheep"" has been mentioned 3 times.. Good grief, get a hobby guys.

 

[AusWolf]

Still, I want to know if it randomly affects all models. I find it highly unlikely that an AIB decided to send such a model to TPU for review, that's crazy if the goal was to try and hide the fact.

That's probably because the AIB wasn't aware.

I bet that was suppose to the 5090 originally and the 5090 we have now would be a Titan card.

Or the 5090 Super, to be released this time next year, accidentally released now.

Either this, or there were more defects than Nvidia expected, but instead of discarding them and increasing the price even further, they just went "nah, f* it". I just don't know why they didn't disable enough ROPs on all chips for them to be equal.

 

[rv8000]

In before Nvidia throws AIBs under the bus.

 

[Waldorf]

Funny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.

 

[JustBenching]

Funny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.

They would all line up for a 5090 but the missing ROP has them stopped dead in their tracks man.

 

[rv8000]

Funny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.

Except there’s a measurable performance discrepancy between models reporting lower ROP counts that is more than margin of error difference. Reading comprehension is difficult when you let defending a multi billion dollar corp get in the way. Toss in a pointless car analogy, just so smart…

 

[sbacc]

Nope. When Nvidia DOES IT, it's nothing, it's probably "user error". Gamers Nexus...... "proved that".
When AMD is RUMORED that it does it - and usually it's a lie - all the Internet is uproaring.
If you don't believe me, let me quote wiz's words from Civ VII performance review.

Yikes, even weirder to say this about CIV 7 considering there seems to be nothing linking that game to AMD...There is an Intel logo...and an Nvidia logo for GeforceNow but nothing about AMD anywhere (official CIV website, AMD website, Youtube...). That's a very bad take to put in a game GPU perf review tbh...

 

[AusWolf]

Funny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.

Let's go off against the crappy driver, then.

love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.

Just because I don't own a product, I can still have an opinion on the situation, right?

It's like commenting on the Hollywood wildfires "what a horrible thing", and then you going "shut up, you don't live there". Jesus, man.

Why the f*k does a forum exist other than to discuss things that are a bit outside of your circle? I don't need to discuss my own GPU, because I've got it right here.

 

[sbacc]

Except there’s a measurable performance discrepancy between models reporting lower ROP counts that is more than margin of error difference. Reading comprehension is difficult when you let defending a multi billion dollar corp get in the way. Toss in a pointless car analogy, just so smart…

To be fair we already had 6 pages of comments but zero car analogy, the 1st rule of physics was nearly broken...Now, I will be able to sleep tonight...

 

[GerKNG]

Funny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

Because GPU-Z just takes the specs from the Database without drivers installed…

 

[Waldorf]

@rv8000
ahh, the typical "your defending a billion dollar company".
never made such statement, but that wont fit your argument.

@AusWolf
as long as you dont own the product, you cant confirm if there is or isnt an issue, that's why.

i have no problem discussing the difference in perf, the why/how is a different story, as long as there is no confirmation on how wide spread it is, especially when i see how many have no way of confirming it (not owning the product).

 

[AusWolf]

To be fair we already had 6 pages of comments but zero car analogy, the 1st rule of physics was nearly broken...Now, I will be able to sleep tonight...

With a car analogy, burning power plugs and lost performance would be an instant recall of the whole product line due to safety concerns. But there's no safety concern with a GPU (other than your house burning down, I guess), so Nvidia can't be bothered.

 

[anonuser57]

I wonder if this is part of some larger defect issue and also the reason behind the extremely limited stock. If NVidia decided to ignore TSMC's design constraints and wound up with high defect rates this wouldn't be the first time. Fermi 2 complete with house fires too!

 

[AusWolf]

@AusWolf
as long as you dont own the product, you cant confirm if there is or isnt an issue, that's why.

Yeah, and without living on the North Pole, I can't confirm whether it's cold there or not, right?

Did you read the article? It states that there is an issue. And here you are, saying that there isn't. Are you for real?

What if I had a 5090 that isn't affected? Would that mean that there is no issue whatsoever?

 

[JustBenching]

With a car analogy, burning power plugs and lost performance would be an instant recall of the whole product line due to safety concerns. But there's no safety concern with a GPU (other than your house burning down, I guess), so Nvidia can't be bothered.

There has been 0 cases of house fires. The only thing relating to a gpu that has caused a house fire was an 8 PIN. Guy literally burned down his whole house by using an 8pin pcie adapter (180 degree).

 

[AusWolf]

There has been 0 cases of house fires. The only thing relating to a gpu that has caused a house fire was an 8 PIN. Guy literally burned down his whole house by using an 8pin pcie adapter (180 degree).

I never said there were any cases. I said it could be a concern.

 

[Waldorf]

@AusWolf
where did i say there isnt one?
but if i dont have the product, its an assumption by those claiming there is, not a fact.

because we havent seen global numbers. what if its only 20 cards on the whole planet, vs every other card like some here make believe?

 

[AusWolf]

@AusWolf
where did i say there isnt one?
but if i dont have the product, its an assumption by those claiming there is, not a fact.

because we havent seen global numbers. what if its only 20 cards on the whole planet, vs every other card like some here make believe?

How many cards do you need to be affected to consider it an issue?

 

[wNotyarD]

Funny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.

In the other thread, W1zz came forward and said it's common GPU-Z behavior. Without drivers, it just looks up to a table.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Because GPU-Z just takes the specs from the Database without drivers installed…

Was just about to post that - W1zzard even said that's how it works until a driver is installed.

 

[Aquinus]

I wonder how many more issues are going to arise from the 5090. It's not feeling like a good investment given the cost. What good is buying the best if you're rolling the dice on several issues?

 

[john_]

Intel degrading problems, Nvidia 5000 series problems. Damn AMD is a mafia.......

 

[BigMack70]

Intel degrading problems, Nvidia 5000 series problems. Damn AMD is a mafia.......

A clown mafia who will no doubt mess up their best opportunity in nearly 15 years to capture mind and market share.