NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16 GB SKU Likely Launching at $499, According to Supply Chain Leak

[Onasi]

Over the next 5 years we will see how nGreedia makes a xx50 class card for $1000... Oh wait... That's the 5080.

Oh, 5080 is now a x50 class GPU, is it? At first it was the 4060, which was at least understandable to say based on the chip. Then we have the GN video and the 5070 is. Now it’s the 5080. Cool. Just let’s cut straight to the chase and claim that the 5090 is actually a 710 in disguise and costs 20 times more than it should. Why not.
I swear, any NV topic brings out some irrational nonsense in people that I genuinely can’t understand. Absolute clownery. I get that “NVidia bad” is the easiest talking point in PC DIY, but come on.

 

[Rover4444]

Oh, 5080 is now a x50 class GPU, is it? At first it was the 4060, which was at least understandable to say based on the chip. Then we have the GN video and the 5070 is. Now it’s the 5080. Cool. Just let’s cut straight to the chase and claim that the 5090 is actually a 710 in disguise and costs 20 times more than it should. Why not.
I swear, any NV topic brings out some irrational nonsense in people that I genuinely can’t understand. Absolute clownery. I get that “NVidia bad” is the easiest talking point in PC DIY, but come on.

NVIDIA doesn't want you to know this, but the B100 is actually just DLSS upscaled integrated graphics. You didn't hear it from me though

 

[john_]

Nothing to do with Brexit, everything to do with Covid and the knock-on effects, it has affected the whole world, I thought it was common knowledge. You can find many articles from the US and elsewhere about skyrocketing used car prices. Also it is more common to see much older cars on the road nowadays than you used to. If you want or need something you either pay the price or you do without. Shaming people for paying what they have to, doesn't make much sense. I just used cars as an example but you could apply the same principle to anything.

I did mention COVID, you replied like I didn't.
Again. A car can be vital for someone's everyday life. A GPU probably, if not certainly, isn't. "Want" with "need" are two totally different concepts. People usually need cars, any car. People usually want faster GPUs, not just a GPU to do their jobs, just a faster GPU, even when they don't really need one. And please don't distort the meaning of what I write, based on what suits you. I am not calling stupid someone who NEEDS something, like a car to get to their job or drive kids at school safely, only someone willing to pay an inflated price for something he wants, but probably doesn't need and when I mean need, I mean REALLY NEED. Not to mention when that someone is having a hard time paying that price, but still does so, while cutting expenses from their needs. The real needs.

Could have fooled me, if not for that grocery run yesterday

I was specifically talking about inflation in itself as a whole, well aware of the pressure from monopolies, trends, etc. though

Oh, cutting from my post, ignoring the part that doesn't suit your narrative. How nice.
Is grocery where you buy your "luxury goods", or just a need to move goalposts?

 

[Deleted member 187435]

I did mention COVID, you replied like I didn't.
Again. A car can be vital for someone's everyday life. A GPU probably, if not certainly, isn't. "Want" with "need" are two totally different concepts. People usually need cars, any car. People usually want faster GPUs, not just a GPU to do their jobs, just a faster GPU, even when they don't really need one. And please don't distort the meaning of what I write, based on what suits you. I am not calling stupid someone who NEEDS something, like a car to get to their job or drive kids at school safely, only someone willing to pay an inflated price for something he wants, but probably doesn't need and when I mean need, I mean REALLY NEED. Not to mention when that someone is having a hard time paying that price, but still does so, while cutting expenses from their needs. The real needs.

We don't only buy what we NEED in life or it would be pretty dull. If you want something and the price is higher than you would ideally prefer to pay, but not outside the realms of reason, it makes sense to pay it. If people decide to give up their hobby because the price has gone up more than they want to pay, that's fine too. These cards cost a few hundred dollars / pounds / euros. That isn't going to break the bank for most adults and if it does I suggest they have bigger problems. (Also again, the higher price is swings and roundabouts. The resale or trade-in prices for used GPUs is high too.)

 

[john_]

Why AMD fanboys happily buy overpriced AMgreeD stuff but complains about high prices in Nvidia threads?

Why do Nvidia fanboys care so much about AMD pricing, when in fact they will never buy an AMD GPU?

We don't only buy what we NEED in life or it would be pretty dull. If you want something and the price is higher than you would ideally prefer to pay, but not outside the realms of reason, it makes sense to pay it. If people decide to give up their hobby because the price has gone up more than they want to pay, that's fine too. These cards cost a few hundred dollars / pounds / euros. That isn't going to break the bank for most adults and if it does I suggest they have bigger problems.

A 50% or more over the expected price, it is "outside the realms" of reason. A 50% or more over the expected price can be justified if there is a need. But for a GPU, are we really keep talking about why it is justified to pay 50% over MSRP for a GPU? Are we really keep doing this conversation? Why? Tomorrow the MSRP might be $1000 for a x070 and the retail price $1500. Are we going to keep doing philosophical conversations about hobbies and "wants" to justify that price? The MSRP is ALREADY inflated and now we are having a conversation of why a 50% over an already inflated MSRP for something that isn't a necessity, just a luxury, is justified? I would expect people to have a unanimous opinion towards fake MSRPs, paper launches and inflated prices, but I guess I am wrong.

 

[Deleted member 187435]

Why do Nvidia fanboys care so much about AMD pricing, when in fact they will never buy an AMD GPU?


A 50% or more over the expected price, it is "outside the realms" of reason. A 50% or more over the expected price can be justified if there is a need. But for a GPU, are we really keep talking about why it is justified to pay 50% over MSRP for a GPU? Are we really keep doing this conversation? Why? Tomorrow the MSRP might be $1000 for a x070 and the retail price $1500. Are we going to keep doing philosophical conversations about hobbies and "wants" to justify that price? The MSRP is ALREADY inflated and now we are having a conversation of why a 50% over an already inflated MSRP for something that isn't a necessity, just a luxury, is justified? I would expect people to have a unanimous opinion towards fake MSRPs, paper launches and inflated prices, but I guess I am wrong.

You seem to have moved the goalposts onto wider issues there rather than whether it's reasonable for people in the market for a 4060 / 5060 class card to pay the sort of prices they go for, which AFAIK have in fact sold at close to MSRP throughout their lives. Here in the UK you can get a 5070 for £550 so I assume the 5060 Ti will be around £450, similar to its predecessor (I paid £420 for my 4060 Ti 16GB on sale).

 

[Dahita]

Why are customers stuck to pay a premium? Is a GPU vital for their survival? Is someone pointing a gun at them? Is buying a new GPU today at a 50% price over MSRP a reason to work and live for? Well, Einstein? What is it?

How do you build your new 4K Gig without paying a premium? Didn't occur to you that some of us can also afford to pay for it? They are not responsible for the rise in cost, the shortage of supply from Nvidia is. So what do you do in the meantime? Just decide to give up on your project to upgrade because John says you're an idiot otherwise?

 

[john_]

You seem to have moved the goalposts onto wider issues there rather than whether it's reasonable for people in the market for a 4060 / 5060 class card to pay the sort of prices they go for, which AFAIK have in fact sold at close to MSRP throughout their lives. Here in the UK you can get a 5070 for £550 so I assume the 5060 Ti will be around £450, similar to its predecessor (I paid £420 for my 4060 Ti 16GB on sale).

I didn't. From my first post I said that I consider people who pay these overblown prices stupid. And from the beginning I was talking about much higher prices over MSRP, MSRP that was already higher than cards in the same category, from 8-10 years ago. RTX 5070 starts at 700 euros here (we are obviously richer than you...) while 4060 Ti starts at 425 euros(600 euros for the 16GB model, that was selling for 450 euros a few months back). A considerable increase. But then again, comparing with 4000 models is favorable. I mean, it wasn't very long ago when Nvidia was selling an RTX 3060 with 12GBs of VRAM for a little over 220 euros. Have we forgotten that already?
Prices will keep going up if people keep justifying themselves paying much more money every generation for the equivalent model. And that's stupid. Showing to the manufacturer that you are willing to pay much more money for the same product, generation after generation, is stupid because it will end up only in one way. The consumer paying more, the manufacturer enjoying higher profit margins.

How do you build your new 4K Gig without paying a premium? Didn't occur to you that some of us can also afford to pay for it? They are not responsible for the rise in cost, the shortage of supply from Nvidia is. So what do you do in the meantime? Just decide to give up on your project to upgrade because John says you're an idiot otherwise?

Well, I can afford paying for an RX 9070XT, or an RTX 5070 Ti, or even an RTX 5090. I really can, I don't just write it here. I can.
But I will feel really stupid if I pay $800 for the RX 9070XT, $1000 for the RTX 5070 Ti, $3000 for the RTX 5090.
It's not a matter of "can".
Now if you have a "project", pay for it. Pay for it 1.5 times if it is so important to you. And tomorrow pay it 2 times. And then pay it 3 times.

 

[Deleted member 187435]

I mean, it wasn't very long ago when Nvidia was selling an RTX 3060 with 12GBs of VRAM for a little over 220 euros. Have we forgotten that already?

It never got that cheap here, that's £187, £250 maybe but £280-£300 was more typical, same as the RTX 4060. Prices haven't moved much for years at this tier, in real terms. I am struggling to be outraged.

This tier of GPU gives you similar to PS5 performance and you can sell it after a few years and get most of your money back if you want.

 

[Dahita]

Well, I can afford paying for an RX 9070XT, or an RTX 5070 Ti, or even an RTX 5090. I really can, I don't just write it here. I can.
But I will feel really stupid if I pay $800 for the RX 9070XT, $1000 for the RTX 5070 Ti, $3000 for the RTX 5090.
It's not a matter of "can".
Now if you have a "project", pay for it. Pay for it 1.5 times if it is so important to you. And tomorrow pay it 2 times. And then pay it 3 times.

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people can; spending $1500 on a video card is not so difficult compared to $1000.

The price increase is called the law of opportunity cost. You want the best? You're stuck with the price tag. And your argument is "I feel stupid". I'm not sure it's just a feeling.

 

[Hecate91]

A 50% or more over the expected price, it is "outside the realms" of reason. A 50% or more over the expected price can be justified if there is a need. But for a GPU, are we really keep talking about why it is justified to pay 50% over MSRP for a GPU? Are we really keep doing this conversation? Why? Tomorrow the MSRP might be $1000 for a x070 and the retail price $1500. Are we going to keep doing philosophical conversations about hobbies and "wants" to justify that price? The MSRP is ALREADY inflated and now we are having a conversation of why a 50% over an already inflated MSRP for something that isn't a necessity, just a luxury, is justified? I would expect people to have a unanimous opinion towards fake MSRPs, paper launches and inflated prices, but I guess I am wrong.

I guess people would rather go to every length with excuses to buy an overpriced GPU, than accept their favorite graphics card brand is screwing them over with shrinkflation.
I'm not surprised at the excuses because it happened with the 4000 series, but the justifications are getting really ridiculous with this 5000 series, especially with all the hyperbole and attacking the messenger, instead of realizing an upgrade isn't necessary. People need to vote with their wallets.

 

[Dahita]

I guess people would rather go to every length with excuses to buy an overpriced GPU, than accept their favorite graphics card brand is screwing them over with shrinkflation.
I'm not surprised at the excuses because it happened with the 4000 series, but the justifications are getting really ridiculous with this 5000 series, especially with all the hyperbole and attacking the messenger, instead of realizing an upgrade isn't necessary. People need to vote with their wallets.

1- Their "favorite" brand?! In what world do you live in? Tomorrow, AMD releases a 9090XTX SUPER XT double XX with better perfs than a 5090 and people will buy this one instead.
2- Where have you ever heard of a brand not trying to milk every penny from its customers? Is it news to you?
3- Excuses? Messenger? Who, in your world, is not aware that prices are ridiculous? Where have you ever seen someone happy to pay 50% over MSRP for the product they want?

The simple fact you don't understand that some people are ok spending more to buy a top of the line rig says it all. And feeling like you know better, like you're a messenger, shows how deluded you are.
And I play on a 2070 SUPER.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Remember no so long time ago when the x060 cards were in the 200$ range?
nGreedia must have been losing its mind completely.

Just saw this video show on youtube home page:

Good video. He clearly demonstrated that all video cards, including the 5090 are actually shrinkflated to at least 1 lower class.
I was keep saying that the 5080 is clearly an 5070, both by specs and config.

 

[Deleted member 187435]

Remember no so long time ago when the x060 cards were in the 200$ range?
nGreedia must have been losing its mind completely.

The last 60 series for that price was the GTX 960 with an MSRP of $199 in 2015, which is $264 in today's money.
Then we had GTX 1660, $219 ($269)
RTX 2060, $349 ($429)

Post Covid:

RTX 3060, $329 ($381), 3060 Ti $399 ($463)
RTX 4060, $299 ($308), 4060 Ti $399 ($411)

Prices have stayed around the same or gone down, while performance has gone up.

 

[Hecate91]

1- Their "favorite" brand?! In what world do you live in? Tomorrow, AMD releases a 9090XTX SUPER XT double XX with better perfs than a 5090 and people will buy this one instead.
2- Where have you ever heard of a brand not trying to milk every penny from its customers? Is it news to you?
3- Excuses? Messenger? Who, in your world, is not aware that prices are ridiculous? Where have you ever seen someone happy to pay 50% over MSRP for the product they want?

The simple fact you don't understand that some people are ok spending more to buy a top of the line rig says it all. And feeling like you know better, like you're a messenger, shows how deluded you are.
And I play on a 2070 SUPER.

1. Yes, favorite brand, Nvidia is the only brand I see getting this sort of defense, and no there would be all kinds of excuses to buy a 5090 instead because it has DLSS and frame gen.
2. Nvidia has been milking their customers for years, GN puts out a video discussing it and people lose their sh*t and resort to name calling.
3. Anyone insisting they need to buy the latest card, because it's a hobby, or saying buying it because they can, those are some terrible excuses. You have the choice of not buying it, stick with what you have and go through a games backlog, or look into indie games. The leather jacket man isn't holding a gun to your head telling you to buy a 5000 series card. GN is simply the messenger here but it seems like people are unreasonably offended at a tech youtuber telling people to not buy something.
And the fact is you don't understand the difference between wanting to buy something, and realizing the prices are stupid while actually seeing what Nvidia is doing to their customers so I'm not going to defend them for destroying the midrange gpu market.

 

[Deleted member 187435]

1. Yes, favorite brand, Nvidia is the only brand I see getting this sort of defense, and no there would be all kinds of excuses to buy a 5090 instead because it has DLSS and frame gen.
2. Nvidia has been milking their customers for years, GN puts out a video discussing it and people lose their sh*t and resort to name calling.
3. Anyone insisting they need to buy the latest card, because it's a hobby, or saying buying it because they can, those are some terrible excuses. You have the choice of not buying it, stick with what you have and go through a games backlog, or look into indie games. The leather jacket man isn't holding a gun to your head telling you to buy a 5000 series card. GN is simply the messenger here but it seems like people are unreasonably offended at a tech youtuber telling people to not buy something.
And the fact is you don't understand the difference between wanting to buy something, and realizing the prices are stupid while actually seeing what Nvidia is doing to their customers so I'm not going to defend them for destroying the midrange gpu market.

His video is pure rage bait for engagement and the comments on the video are the usual nvidia bad circlejerk. It's exaggerated.

 

[Dahita]

1. Yes, favorite brand, Nvidia is the only brand I see getting this sort of defense, and no there would be all kinds of excuses to buy a 5090 instead because it has DLSS and frame gen.
2. Nvidia has been milking their customers for years, GN puts out a video discussing it and people lose their sh*t and resort to name calling.
3. Anyone insisting they need to buy the latest card, because it's a hobby, or saying buying it because they can, those are some terrible excuses. You have the choice of not buying it, stick with what you have and go through a games backlog, or look into indie games. The leather jacket man isn't holding a gun to your head telling you to buy a 5000 series card. GN is simply the messenger here but it seems like people are unreasonably offended at a tech youtuber telling people to not buy something.
And the fact is you don't understand the difference between wanting to buy something, and realizing the prices are stupid while actually seeing what Nvidia is doing to their customers so I'm not going to defend them for destroying the midrange gpu market.

It's mind-blowing to read your arguments. According to you, people buying 5090's are Nvidia hardcore fans blind to the pricetag that are lured through marketing into over-spending like lemmings, and you know better. You have no shortage of ego, do you? (And yet I'm sure you've got in Iphone in your pocket )

Enlighten me, if you need a new computer and want to build a solid 4K rig for years to come, what graphic card do you buy? I beg of you, please tell me?
Oh and also, "Nvidia is the only brand I see getting this sort of defense", what defense? Where have you seen anyone defending Nvidia and justifying the prices?

 

[Hecate91]

His video is pure rage bait for engagement and the comments on the video are the usual nvidia bad circlejerk. It's exaggerated.

If all you got from it was rage bait then I can tell where you bias is, or you're an LTT fan. For anyone to say GN is rage baiting or clickbaiting has an unhealthy obession for Nvidia, I thought people would be criticizing Nvidia for things like the 128 bit memory bus and the abusrd pricing, but I guess Nvidia gets to do whatever they want since people will buy it anyway.
There isn't anything exaggerated about what GN discussed, Nvidia has been shrinkflating their GPU's by at least 1 tier since the RTX 30 series.

 

[Deleted member 187435]

If all you got from it was rage bait then I can tell where you bias is, or you're an LTT fan. For anyone to say GN is rage baiting or clickbaiting has an unhealthy obession for Nvidia, I thought people would be criticizing Nvidia for things like the 128 bit memory bus and the abusrd pricing, but I guess Nvidia gets to do whatever they want since people will buy it anyway.
There isn't anything exaggerated about what GN discussed, Nvidia has been shrinkflating their GPU's by at least 1 tier since the RTX 30 series.

I have no bias, any more than I care what brand of washing machine or toilet paper I buy.

I don't understand why people get into a frenzy over the 128-bit bus. The card is faster than its predecessors which is all that matters isn't it? The 4060 Ti is ~50% faster than the 3060 despite the older card being 192-bit and having more bandwidth.

 

[yfn_ratchet]

5 benjamins for an x06 GeForce card has been and will continue to be absolutely egregious, especially now that they've dropped the 256/192-bit bus. $450 for a 5060Ti 24GB, that sounds a lot more palatable, especially for video prod/local AI. This, however, is just a slightly faster 4060Ti, which doesn't address the main complaint of the 4060Ti: value. Nevermind that the 5060Ti 8GB is a moot card... What niche does such a lopsided card provide for besides 'premium esports'?

 

[Dr. Dro]

1. Yes, favorite brand, Nvidia is the only brand I see getting this sort of defense, and no there would be all kinds of excuses to buy a 5090 instead because it has DLSS and frame gen.
2. Nvidia has been milking their customers for years, GN puts out a video discussing it and people lose their sh*t and resort to name calling.
3. Anyone insisting they need to buy the latest card, because it's a hobby, or saying buying it because they can, those are some terrible excuses. You have the choice of not buying it, stick with what you have and go through a games backlog, or look into indie games. The leather jacket man isn't holding a gun to your head telling you to buy a 5000 series card. GN is simply the messenger here but it seems like people are unreasonably offended at a tech youtuber telling people to not buy something.
And the fact is you don't understand the difference between wanting to buy something, and realizing the prices are stupid while actually seeing what Nvidia is doing to their customers so I'm not going to defend them for destroying the midrange gpu market.

1. It's not because of DLSS, it's because it's on a performance class all its own. Not that its predecessor wasn't already - the RTX 5090 takes that to the next level. The $1999 MSRP is relatively reasonable considering its sheer performance and memory capacity.

However, the currently scalped prices are not. It's the only reason why I'm tolerating the delays with the shipping of my card - I paid the Brazilian MSRP tag price on it. I'm fully aware the shop I bought it from is already playing the long game (as prices and exchange rates went significantly up since January), and seeing if I give up. Too bad for them, I won't. Once their time is up, I'll just write the mean legal threat email, then they'll either ship it to me (most likely scenario) or I'll sue them.

2. Have had this chart since mid 2022, before the launch of Ada - and have posted it on the forum before. I'm glad GN made this video, because people literally told me I was being pedantic and that the hardware configuration was a rhetorical question and that as long as the performance being advertised was delivered, it was a moot point and a non-issue. This argument made by people who stick by both vendors, by the way.

I was strongly opposed to Ada specifically on this subject myself, I only bought the 4080 because my 3090 was already 3 years old at that point and it was time for it to go. The 7900 XTX was an option, I chose not to get it at the last minute. I actually had the ASUS TUF 7900 XTX in my cart the moment I decided "screw it I'm buying Nvidia", fearing I'd have issues due to the poor state of its graphics drivers at the time, and low resale value down the road. In the end, I sold my RTX 4080 for 85% of what I paid for it, after 18 months of use, and it financed a very large chunk of the 5090.

3. Perhaps this might baffle you, but... absolutely no explanation is owed to anyone over what someone chooses to do with their money.

 

[Dahita]

1. It's not because of DLSS, it's because it's on a performance class all its own. Not that its predecessor wasn't already - the RTX 5090 takes that to the next level. The $1999 MSRP is relatively reasonable considering its sheer performance and memory capacity.

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However, the currently scalped prices are not. It's the only reason why I'm tolerating the delays with the shipping of my card - I paid the Brazilian MSRP tag price on it. I'm fully aware the shop I bought it from is already playing the long game (as prices and exchange rates went significantly up since January), and seeing if I give up. Too bad for them, I won't. Once their time is up, I'll just write the mean legal threat email, then they'll either ship it to me (most likely scenario) or I'll sue them.

2. Have had this chart since mid 2022, before the launch of Ada - and have posted it on the forum before. I'm glad GN made this video, because people literally told me I was being pedantic and that the hardware configuration was a rhetorical question and that as long as the performance being advertised was delivered, it was a moot point and a non-issue. This argument made by people who stick by both vendors, by the way.

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I was strongly opposed to Ada specifically on this subject myself, I only bought the 4080 because my 3090 was already 3 years old at that point and it was time for it to go. The 7900 XTX was an option, I chose not to get it at the last minute. I actually had the ASUS TUF 7900 XTX in my cart the moment I decided "screw it I'm buying Nvidia", fearing I'd have issues due to the poor state of its graphics drivers at the time, and low resale value down the road. In the end, I sold my RTX 4080 for 85% of what I paid for it, after 18 months of use, and it financed a very large chunk of the 5090.

3. Perhaps this might baffle you, but... absolutely no explanation is owed to anyone over what someone chooses to do with their money.

Very well put. But no amount of rational explanation of the situation will bypass their obsession: you must be a hardcore Nvidia fan defending your favorite brand.

 

[Visible Noise]

People need to vote with their wallets.

People vote with their wallets every day. See AMD’s 10% market share.

 

[jaszy]

Remember no so long time ago when the x060 cards were in the 200$ range?
nGreedia must have been losing its mind completely.


Good video. He clearly demonstrated that all video cards, including the 5090 are actually shrinkflated to at least 1 lower class.
I was keep saying that the 5080 is clearly an 5070, both by specs and config.

Except it's not. x80 always hovered in a 300-400mm2 range in regards to die size since GTX600. There are exceptions, but its either 12nm TSMC or a significantly disabled die from a tier up. IE: 3080 using a GA102 with 16 SM's disabled.

5090 is simply abnormal.

 

[x4it3n]

Oh, 5080 is now a x50 class GPU, is it? At first it was the 4060, which was at least understandable to say based on the chip. Then we have the GN video and the 5070 is. Now it’s the 5080. Cool. Just let’s cut straight to the chase and claim that the 5090 is actually a 710 in disguise and costs 20 times more than it should. Why not.
I swear, any NV topic brings out some irrational nonsense in people that I genuinely can’t understand. Absolute clownery. I get that “NVidia bad” is the easiest talking point in PC DIY, but come on.

Nvidia are selling some heavily cut down dies (aka lower tier GPUs) compared to GTX generations, but selling them for a lot more money than they should be... That's a fact. The 5080 having a GB203 chip with a 256-bit bus is an absolute joke for a GPU sold for $1000. The same goes does lower models. We definitely need more competition! We all love Nvidia GPUs but Nvidia is all about AI and making huge margins, they don't care about Gamers anymore.

I really hope AMD & Intel will gain some really good market share in a near future! I cannot wait to see that AI bubble burst and see how Nvidia will rush back to gamers to save their ass...