TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Radical Vision]

Actually the HD4670 AGP is not the highest end, it is higher mid range, but higher end not really, is just the very last AGP card ever made... And since is still mid range GPU = no die shield (wonders, wonders)... But the HD4870 do have the shield... For some reason the HD3850/ 70 does not have the DIE shield..
The HD3850 AGP is almighty, and it is the fastest AGP card in existence... Tho no original AGP system would see any difference between HD4670 and HD3850... The brute power of 3850 needs kinda modern AGP system with dual/ quad core CPU for that.... So in many cases the HD4670 would be better, since is not power hungry, is way cooler, is smaller, overall is better, still not as powerful tho...

I prefer myself the HD3850 AGP, since is high end card, no matter is power hungry pig, is hot and stuff... Many may argue if mid range AGP cards are better compared to the higher end, like x1650 AGP vs x1950 AGP, for 95% of ppl the x1650 AGP would be fine, and they wont even need to invest in power supply... Same with HD3650 AGP/ HD4670 AGP vs HD3850 AGP... But if one wants to have the most powerful/ high end then HD3850 AGP is the way to go... Kinda dumb they did not add the DIE shield for the 3850/ 70... Also screw the HD4670, i want something more interesting the mythical Radeon HIS HD3870 AGP, but this thing is no where to be found sadly... Hell even the HIS IceQ 3 HD3850 AGP is rare card, all i see is Sapphire and Power Color...


To add one thing about this great HIS card, since i have seen on 2 forums, ppl to swear on that card being shit... The card is great, but there is one dumb problem they did, these cards came with some very bad fan curve, that make that model card to overheat even idle, so bios edit is needed, otherwise the card will fry itself, since some idiot from HIS decided it would be great idea to run the damn fan at 5% at idle, and 15% under load, jesus....

 

[MaxiPro800]

And yet neither have the shield. For PCI-E I could care less since none of the PCI-E cards ATI/AMD released have had the same issue as R300/350, and by the time they started PCI-E production they already fixed the shim issue.

 

[Radical Vision]

Well no matter the crap Sapphire did with the bad cooler contact, still it was only on these x2 higher end R300 cards.... Meanwhile most GEforce cards are dead, and u cant find even a single one working, and ofc i dont look in ebay, since they will scalp me there.... At least i managed to find about all higher end GEforce cards (missed GF 7950 AGP still mad about this), aside from GEforce II Ultra and GF7950 AGP i have the rest, the 6800 Ultra i have is not the extreme, not that i even know what the deal with that extreme was...



Anyway got the T60s, gotta say i expected shit, slime, gunk and all sorts of disgustingness, on these machines, but naaa seems these were used by someone clean, then most ppl, they are very clean, way more then i expected, happy about it... The IBM branded one have Intel GMA, guess i will prob sell it, and focus on the Lenovo one with the Radeon GPU, since it will be usable to run games and stuff... Also i have 500GB HDD from newer Lenovo i had before, i sold the machine and ram, but i kept the HDD 500GB WD Blue working and reliable (not like SeaGate), may add SSD, but not sure about that. One of them came with 4GB of memory, guess i wont need to look for 4 gigs now... I have broken T60 with ATi that the GPU went bad and have artifacts, but i think the CPU in there was C2D 7200, so i will steal it... One of the batteries even holds power lol.. And one of them has dead speakers it seems...

 

[MaxiPro800]

Most T series were in business environments (which is why they have such spartan graphic offerings usually). Makes sense why they're so clean. I keep a T440p as my main laptop w/ a 480GB Kingston SSD and sold a L450 to my dad who needed a new Linux laptop after his Fujitsu corrupted its BIOS (and why I'll stay off from Fujitsu laptops of that era forever)

Also indeed, fk Seagate. I'm sick and tired of the crap drives Seagate has been making since the SATA transition. IDE drives they were good (still have a 80GB IDE drive and an Maxtor counterpart of it post-Seagate merger) but the SATA transition turned their reputation into a stinking mess.

Anyways, today's loot. Was in need of those cheap Ensoniq, one for bracket and the other for a Optiplex GX1 posted earlier. The 2ZS I'm not sure what to do yet with it albeit being a retail card (no crappy OEM cutdown like Dell/HP models), AWE64 is good and the 8330 might be modded with polymers similar to how the current MK8330 project goes. (and adding the missing speaker jumpers)

 

[Radical Vision]

Yes IBM even stands as International Business Machines, so go figure why 90% of all IBM stuff are so wooden, and no good for what most of us do... Still good they used some times some parts that were not corporate oriented only, so we the enthusiasts can use them for other things too and be happy... Intel GPUs are rock solid, and will prob never ever die, even if the motherboard or the display of T60 dies, the GPU would be still alive, sadly they cant run shit... I do only wonder if it is possible to replace the soldered GPU with ATi or maybe even nGreedia, sure it will be annoying to desolder the Intel GPU and solder one of the 2 brands, but if someone ever did that, would be great to know, as there may be way to solder prob a bit more powerful GPU then Radeon Mobile x1400.... Even if not the Radeon M x1300/ x1400 are plenty for some fun... Hell i did even run some stuff like Nintendo NES emulator on weak ATi Rage Mobile 8MB lmao, and GTA Vice City did run with 0.5 FPS i think ahahah....







Well yes the old SG IDE drives are so good, i love them specially the 7200.7/ 7200.10 series, they just work, and work well.... I have also working 1TB Barracuda from 2012, that never give me any trouble, guess just lucky. Also WD Black 1TB i got back in 2013 for some reason started dropping access time, so when i did open it for pictures and stuff did make me wait 17-20 seconds before it discovers the content so i moved the drive as backup.... And last SeaGate drives i got were enterprice SG Constellation ES3, back then they still had 5 years warranty for these, and i expected them to behave fine... Joke was on me, when after 3 years of work (these are torrents drives overall) one of the drives just did die one day, pissed me offf..... Now i look only at WD Gold/ UltraStar as i bet my A$$ these drives will be reliable af, and wont piss me off by dying out of nowhere...

 

[MaxiPro800]

Don't expect that 2012 Barracuda to live longer. I have two of the same year and they're in dire need of replacment with two 1TB WD Blacks, 2012 and 2016 respectively (one is a Apple drive and the other seems to have been a RAID array drive). Seagate's SMART handling was a joke back then and it never got any better since.

 

[Radical Vision]

The funny part is that 1TB Barracuda i got new in 2012, was in my AM3+ FX8350 + R9 280x machine for many years, and is now in the x58 system, and it just works, refuses to die... I am surprised how durable that crap is, but guess is just lucky drive.... I knew at the time that many reported in forums SeaGate is selling garbage, but i had good exp with them from the IDE days and early SATA, so i got SG and that one was fine, and still is even today, just lucky prob... The Constellation pissed me off.... But i will replace them with WD gold/ UltraStar as i am sure they are way more reliable. Some times even crap work seems... As over the years i have seen for myself that SG sells garbage HDDs, that die waaay more then WD, for Toshiba i am not sure, i have 2TB HDD that i use for my personal stuff, and it works... I did just expect the Constellation to be fine since is enterprice, and from the time before SG drop the ball totally guess i was wrong, it can happen to everyone, and also i had good exp with the 1TB and older SG drives from years ago...

Got multiple laptops some years ago, all of them had SeaGate drives, about all of them were bad, or nearly dead damn...

Look at this shit, i laughed my a$$ off, when i did run the benchmark test ahahah.... And the guy was not into computers, he said his new machine (Lenovo 2018 model) was running like crap since he did buy it, and it turned out the SG drive was kinda working lmao... What a joke, i was shocked when i they give me that laptop to reinstall windows, since is slow, i was like hell how slow can it be... WELP i turn the system on and is slower then my god damn Athlon XP/ Pentium III systems i was like wtF is wrong in here... And when tested the HDD i was like loool....

 

[MaxiPro800]

IIRC Toshibas are made from Fujitsu's former HDD division (I was wondering who bought them out sometime ago) and their desktop drives were good... though the laptop ones are to be avoided, they're awful.

 

[Radical Vision]

Found T6600 in the CPU stash, but it seems this is socket P, and T60 uses socket M, ffs, so cant use this for upgrade. Tho to me this and T2300 both look compatible processors.... Will look at the broken T60 i have if the CPU is still there... Had forgot how easy is to disassemble IBM Thinkpads, compared to HP and DELL garbage that piss you off, and makes u wanna throw them out of the window... The speakers did also get so easy, i will just test them on another machine to see if they will work, if not will just replace, as these for some reason make no sound prob dead...

 

[TM30]

These are some chunky DDR2 ICs. Never seen those before. Almost as big as the old DDR1 TSOP.
Manli GeForce 6600, 512MB DDR2

 

[Radical Vision]

Well it turns out both new T60 i got are 15", but got lucky with the ATi one, not only is with Radeon GPU, but also x1400 instead of x1300, and even more lucky that is 1400x1050 IPS panel, how cool is that.... The display is visible from all angles.. Same cant be said for the Intel GMA T60 that has lower 1280 resolution and TN crap that changes colors from an angle... Did repaste the ATi T60, and lubed the fan with silicone grease, so just it can piss me off and say couple of times on boot "fan error", no matter it did spin at post, and then stop, at least after 2 unplugs of the damn fan connector did fix itself... The speakers are working too, but for some reason no sound when power off, like every other Thinkpad huh... One of the batteries also hold some charge, that is very nice to see...





The keyboard pictures are from the good T60 and my old T61, the T61 is obviously used waaay more since the keyboard has so much glance, and even the shit is visible, that both T60 dont have.... That reminds me i will just sell this Fking T61, since is not well preserved, it has crap that means total cleaning, and it has even some visible damage on the display is cosmetic, not matrix, but still is not ok for me... Guess i will sell it and get my money back for the x2 T60s that i got criminally cheap hah...









The broken T60 with Radeon x1300, i think this is memory chip, as usually broken GPU = waay more artifacts... Still usable for parts...

 

[y2faulty]

hey can someone help me identify this stuff?? Especially that board... :













link to the gallery

thx!

 

[TOMCAT]

Old stuff from the XT / AT - era.
Picture 1 maybe a drive cage and connectors for a MFM(-RLL) HDD, but it is not the common Shugart-Bus connector. Search hint is MEI-2274??A
White connector is Molex Power connector like for IDE HDDs.
Picture 2 shows 4-pin Rayovac Computer clock Batterie, better known as RTC (Real Time Clock) Batterie. Now called BIOS or CMOS batterie.
Search hint is Rayovac 840, there you will find more modern replacemants.
Important: Do NOT confuse with sound connector.
Picture 3 I don't know, guess external power switch but missing parts.
Picture 4 - 6 AST Research (later AST Computers) Part Number 202518, should be a RAM extension card.
No further info, so I hope some will take over.

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

Anyways, today's loot. Was in need of those cheap Ensoniq, one for bracket and the other for a Optiplex GX1 posted earlier. The 2ZS I'm not sure what to do yet with it albeit being a retail card (no crappy OEM cutdown like Dell/HP models), AWE64 is good and the 8330 might be modded with polymers similar to how the current MK8330 project goes. (and adding the missing speaker jumpers)

Hey have you found any drivers worth a shit to use with that Audigy2 ZS (Sb0350) card? I have the same card in my pile of crap and can't find any good drivers to get it to work.

 

[OMORES]

Because why not...? Windows NT 4.0 running natively from an M.2 PCIe SSD (AHCI but not SATA) - and surprisingly, that was the easy part. The real showstopper? An Nvidia Quadro FX4500 joining the party - absolute overkill for NT, very good in OpenGL games.

 

[MaxiPro800]

Hey have you found any drivers worth a shit to use with that Audigy2 ZS (Sb0350) card? I have the same card in my pile of crap and can't find any good drivers to get it to work.

Mine works with the retail Audigy 2 ISO. I assume you have the OEM cards which are trash (have had both Dell and HP OEM 2ZS cards. Never again.) and barely work (Dell requires manual install, HP didn't seem to work at all.)

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

Mine works with the retail Audigy 2 ISO. I assume you have the OEM cards which are trash (have had both Dell and HP OEM 2ZS cards. Never again.) and barely work (Dell requires manual install, HP didn't seem to work at all.)

I have the exact same card as you. Just having a time with drivers.

 

[MaxiPro800]

Apart from HP, Dell's OEM card looks exactly like retail. Check the back of it and verify the barcode. If it reads anything like 0358 or 0359, you have a Dell OEm card which won't directly work with the retail drivers.

The VOGONS thread I found out about the manual install process from. Should apply to Dell (0358 printed on the serial number on the back) OEM cards.

 

[wolf]

Model M

I'll PM you.

Been a while and I'm probably also missing a few lesser/newer acquisitions from the last few months.

3dfx Voodoo 4M PCI (made by Gainward, the comparison between this and the Phantom 570 is crazy)

Leadtek Winfast GeForce 2 MX Max 64M

Leadtek Winfast GeForce 2 Pro 64M

ATi Radeon VE DDR 32M

Asus GeForce 4 Ti 4400 128M

Xpertvision GeForce FX 5200 128M

Xpertvision GeForce FX 5500 256M

GeForce FX 5500 256M

GeForce 6200 128M

Quadro FX 3000 256M - sold to me as brand new so I ain't even opening it yet!

Gainward Phantom GeForce GTX 570 1280M

 

[lexluthermiester]

Because why not...? Windows NT 4.0 running natively from an M.2 PCIe SSD (AHCI but not SATA) - and surprisingly, that was the easy part. The real showstopper? An Nvidia Quadro FX4500 joining the party - absolute overkill for NT, very good in OpenGL games.

Woah, wait a minute! How??

I assume you have the OEM cards which are trash (have had both Dell and HP OEM 2ZS cards. Never again.) and barely work (Dell requires manual install, HP didn't seem to work at all.)

I've never had problems with the OEM Audigy's. The Dell X-fi, yes but not the Audigy's.

 

[Radical Vision]

Welp i am happy with the T60 performance, for fun machine is for sure nice with the Radeon GPU... Now the Intel GMA even on the T61 is wooden AF, cant run anything, gotta wonder how Intel can be so bad at producing GPU that cant render any 3D then the basics lmao... So far NFS Most Wanted runs fine for the most part with tweaks in settings ofc, and Devil May Cry III even more, as that game was never demanding.... You tube also kinda works on 480p, some videos run smoothly, others not as much.... If i can run the Radeon HW acceleration, it will run videos even at 720p or maybe even 1080p, as ATi cards were always strong for running high quality videos, not like nGreedia... Now need to find T7600 and prob SSD too, since the HDD is kinda annoying .... Maybe also to find laptop SoundBlaster for the EAX... There is bug in the NFS, when changing anything in the video setings, the game loses the damn menu, untill restart lol... After research turned out there is even higher end T60 model with 1600x1200 IPS display and way stronger ATi M FireGL V5200, that card is like x3 stronger, would be nice to find that too.... Tho so far i think the Radeon M x1400 is just fine, after the crap T61 Intel GMA, and the previous 14" T60 with Radeon x1300, that got broken motherboard that cant supply fan, so the fan was not working, is more then fine...










T61 will sell it, no need to keep mediocre machines... Also better to focus on the T60, since i have 3 of them, and if one of the 2 go bad, i can repair it with parts from another one... While T61 is only one, and also nothing special, the nGreedia models are prob all with dead GPUs... Even the damn DVD on T61 is crap, is SONY Nec Optiarc, these opticals are such garbage, i have seen sooo many dead and the rest that work would not read shit... Meanwhile the T60s have Panasonic and H&L Data (Hitachi and LG), H&L are amazing, these just work, dont slow the machine, dont die, read about everything u throw at them... At least the build quality of T61 is like with the older ones, supreme these days 90% of laptops feel like crap, compared to this design and materials... the only thing that feels bad is the rubber coating, and still is not as bad, as on other brands...







RJ Model M, like brand new, since is for terminal they did not use it much, most key caps are brand new with texture. Tho some moron managed to crack/ brake the case, but i dont see fall damage on that corner, so interesting how they managed to brake this, as Model M keyboards use durable softer plastic, that is stronger then the fragile plastic case on Model Fs...

 

[lexluthermiester]

That C2D T7100 is easily upgraded to a T7400 or T7500. GMA or not, that would be my choice for the screen and form-factor. That's just me though..

 

[Radical Vision]

Yes that is on the T61... The T60 with the Radeon have T5600, that i would like to replace with T7600.... Too bad the sockets are different, otherwise i would steal the T7100 from the useless T61... Ok but the Intel GPU is bad... Cant run even GTA Vice City like wtF, how hard could be... At least it maybe can run CS 1.6, as even the most caveman video cards could do that like even SiS crappy graphics and VIA...

 

[lexluthermiester]

RJ Model M, like brand new, since is for terminal they did not use it much, most key caps are brand new with texture. Tho some moron managed to crack/ brake the case, but i dont see fall damage on that corner, so interesting how they managed to brake this, as Model M keyboards use durable softer plastic, that is stronger then the fragile plastic case on Model Fs...

Easily fixed/repaired. Not sure if this is available where you live, but if you can get something similar you will find it a very handy for many types of plastic cracks & breaks.
https://www.testors.com/product-catalog/testors-brands/testors/adhesive/cement?skuUpc=3502XT

This stuff is made for model kits but works great for a lot of computer related plastics, including most models of IBM keyboards from the 80's & 90's.

Ok but the Intel GPU is bad...

That sucks.. Keep in mind though, those are laptops from 2008/2009ish, if you run games from that time on them you'd have a much better time.

 

[Radical Vision]

Well i have couple of Model Ms, the best i use currently is UK made, German layout, that i enjoyed replacing with USA QWERTY, all caps are with texture, and the casing is 98% preserved... So no point for me to restore that RJ model... I will just use it as donor for key caps, and prob sell the rest or trade it... As i am the kind of person, that waste time and energy only on the very best and mint condition stuff.... I find it insulting to myself, to get bothered with scratched, corroded/ rusted, overly used, not to even mention broken like with this one... The way i see it life is too short, storage space not enough, wasted money ect, on mediocre and broken stuff.... Someone else would be way more happy some day with this keyboard, then i will ever be... When got my first Model M i was happy too, tho it had scars and was not well preserved, no matter it was my first Model M, it still did bother me, and i was waiting to find preserved one.... Dont know for some ppl perfectionism may look too much, and not needed... But for me even if there is one visible scratch i will know is there and annoy me... But thats just me, i never understand how others find it ok to restore rusted and corroded 386/ 486 boards and other broken stuff, i understand that some stuff need to be repaired, that is why i have stash of broken goods like Radeon HD3850 AGP x3 of them, one artifacting FX5950 Ultra, DFI LanParty x58 dead, ASUS P3B-F, and Voodoo Banshee and Voodoo III 3K losing signal and others... But even when i get these parts repaired, i will sell/ trade them, as i dont like repaired parts too... But for most ppl these parts will be joy... That is just my point of view about these stuff....


Yes but ofc, running older games on such old machines is the thing... Sadly the Intel GMA is good only for display output lol... But as usual for me, i will spin parts and money, sell the things i dont like, and with the money i get, i will buy something i enjoy, is a win-win... Funny the T60 i have is 2007 model, yet NFS Most Wanted was released 2005, yet cant use most settings, since it starts to drop much frames huh...