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ASUS Radeon RX 9060 XT Prime OC 16 GB

PCIe x16 is something this card has in its favor compared to its competitors. It would be great if W1zzard tested this more thoroughly, DF only looked at it in a single game.

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Denver said:
Lightweight games like these should be excluded, as they run at hundreds of FPS on virtually any modern hardware from the past five years, making them irrelevant for meaningful GPU testing. They also skew the average, making it less representative of performance in recent AAA titles.


If they're not removed from the review entirely, they should at least be excluded from the average framerate calculation.
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"immensely popular lightweight esports games, and specific game of the year AAA games should be excluded from testing on (by far) the consistently most popular GPU tier, because I don't like the results"

Hecate91 said:
Excluding two games isn't cherry picking and it doesn't break any testing when you can see every other game on the list performs well, even Nvidia sponsored AW2.
I couldn't care less about esports BS, the elitist "but muh 500 bazillion FPS" nonsense is a major reason why I couldn't give a sh*t, but getting 200fps vs 300fps for a casual player won't make any difference at all at 1080p. Like I said anyone making money off the game isn't going to be using a 60 class card.
Also saying a few games perform poorly is going to steer customers away is disingenuous especially since you're ignoring how bad Nvidia drivers have been lately for 40 and 50 series cards. The 9060XT is as expected, and better value if these cards are close to MSRP. I'm not surprised the Ngreedia fans are looking for anything to criticize it with though.
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"cherry picking isn't cherry picking, my favourite brand should receive special treatment"
Neo_Morpheus said:
Agreed.

Does it really matters to a player in a tournament that his hardware is pushing over 200 or more FPS?

But as stated, it does wonders for the averages.
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"does performance really matter in performance testing reviews?"
 
I was hoping for Oblivion Remastered Benchmarks :( Also, no Call of Duty Black Ops 6? Doom the Dark Ages? Clair Obscur? Spiderman 2 Remastered?
 
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lexluthermiester said:
Objectivity and impartiality matters.
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GN is one of the most objective and impartial reviewers in the tech press, J2C has improved a lot in their reviews and isn't as biased anymore. HUB is a channel I'll watch sometimes, but only for the graphs, I can't trust them for their conclusions ever since they decided to overhype DLSS and RT.
LTT should never be taken seriously for any kind of review, they have no objectiveness and will often disguise paid product placement as a review.
Anyone saying GN isn't objective and impartial needs to look at their own bias towards brand favoritism.
dgianstefani said:
"cherry picking isn't cherry picking, my favourite brand should receive special treatment"
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Removing your favorite game isn't cherry picking, but I get it you want to take a dig at the brand you have an irrational hated for. And the performance doesn't matter when most cards are getting hundreds of FPS.
 
Hecate91 said:
And the performance doesn't matter when most cards are getting hundreds of FPS.
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I think Source 2 Engine performance matters, especially with rumors of Half-Life 3.
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LastDudeALive said:
I think Source 2 Engine performance matters, especially with rumors of Half-Life 3.
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Ofc it does. Just like the current game engine from Fromsoft matters. The testing suite includes examples from all the popular current game engines. These two "outliers" being discussed are immensely popular games, and it's not subtle why some people have selective standards when it comes to standardised testing and which specific results should be removed.
 
lexluthermiester said:
Not from LTT. Or HUB, J2C or GN for that matter. Objectivity and impartiality matters. They can not be counted on for such things.
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Agreed and I would add a bunch more bribed influencers in there.
Hecate91 said:
Removing your favorite game isn't cherry picking, but I get it you want to take a dig at the brand you have an irrational hated for. And the performance doesn't matter when most cards are getting hundreds of FPS.
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He will move the goal post as needed, so just ignore him.

Its a shame that he and others cannot be placed in the Ignore list, since all they do is stir shit up and if you fall for it, get punished.
 
Denver said:
PCIe x16 is something this card has in its favor compared to its competitors. It would be great if W1zzard tested this more thoroughly, DF only looked at it in a single game.

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This is hypothetical testing and merely a thought experiment.
Handicapping a modern processor to show disadvantage of PCIe3 is just silly.
Like putting 1980s tires on a 2020 Ferrari...

CPU+mobo combos that only offer PCIe 3.0 are now, what, 5 to 7 years old?
Intel 10th gen and AMD Ryzen 2000 series (Zen+)?
These systems have CPU constraints outside of just PCIe bandwidth.

For example, look at the bottom of the TPU chart:
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lexluthermiester said:
Not from LTT. Or HUB, J2C or GN for that matter. Objectivity and impartiality matters. They can not be counted on for such things.
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Well even more reason for them to receive a gpu since they are very pro amd. Im just wondering why amd didn't send cards is all.
 
While I agree that CS2 is an outlier and skews the average, that's on AMD to fix, not a fault of NVIDIA's or Wizz's with his testing.

About the 8GB, I've seen a Brazilian review on it. And if MSRP stands, it's an absolute no-brainer against the 5060 non-Ti.
 
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Neo_Morpheus said:
Agreed and I would add a bunch more bribed influencers in there.
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I'm agreeing with this...
Neo_Morpheus said:
He will move the goal post as needed, so just ignore him.

Its a shame that he and others cannot be placed in the Ignore list, since all they do is stir shit up and if you fall for it, get punished.
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...not this. @dgianstefani Is human like anyone else and has their preferences and opinions. A hatred for AMD is not one of them. In this context and conversation they are being very objective.
 
Denver said:
PCIe x16 is something this card has in its favor compared to its competitors. It would be great if W1zzard tested this more thoroughly, DF only looked at it in a single game.

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Might make an even bigger difference for the 8GB card, especially on older systems with slower bus speeds. I think W1z said something along those lines as well in the review.
 
wNotyarD said:
While I agree that CS2 is an outlier and skews the average, that's on AMD to fix, not a fault of NVIDIA's or Wizz's with his testing.

About the 8GB, I've seen a Brazilian review on it. And if MSRP stands, it's an absolute no-brainer against the 5060 non-Ti.
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I don't think cs2 should be on there. Esports and wanna be esports all turn down the graphics anyways so those numbers don't even represent what players actually run the game at.
 
JustBenching said:
Well even more reason for them to receive a gpu since they are very pro amd. Im just wondering why amd didn't send cards is all.
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That's a fair point. I personally think there should be a compromise: Reviewers should offered a chance to buy a card if they want to review it before release, at reseller prices.
 
theglaze said:
handicapping a modern processor to show disadvantage of PCIe3 is just silly.
Like putting 1980s tires on a 2020 Ferrari...
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You would be surprised as to what people do with hardware.

I recall reading the other day a person that ended buying a 5070ti (thanks to some ill advices) just to play on a 1080p/60hz monitor....

And he paid over 1K US$ if I remember correctly.

So yeah....

Now I will add, is his money and if he is happy, more power to him, but yes, these actions do exist.
 
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dir_d said:
I don't think cs2 should be on there. Esports and wanna be esports all turn down the graphics anyways so those numbers don't even represent what players actually run the game at.
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While you're not wrong about the numbers being representative or not of how people actually play the game, let's say W1zz changes his method exclusively for CS2 and tests it at low settings. Would it boost the Radeon numbers? Yes. But it would probably boost GeForce numbers even more.

Hence I say that independently of how it's tested, it's on AMD to bring the Radeons to parity on such a widespread title. The Source 2 engine isn't going away.
 
lexluthermiester said:
...not this. @dgianstefani Is human like anyone else and has their preferences and opinions.
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As a staff member, he should behave on a less biased way and he has been called out many times for his pro Ngreedia actions.

Hell, his posts have been LQ by other mods.....

Anyways, I have no desire in continuing mentioning him.
 
Now here is a gap between 9070 and 9060xt.
Time to launch 9070gre worldwide.
 
theglaze said:
This is hypothetical testing and merely a thought experiment.
Handicapping a modern processor to show disadvantage of PCIe3 is just silly.
Like putting 1980s tires on a 2020 Ferrari...

CPU+mobo combos that only offer PCIe 3.0 are now, what, 5 to 7 years old?
Intel 10th gen and AMD Ryzen 2000 series (Zen+)?
These systems have CPU constraints outside of just PCIe bandwidth.

For example, look at the bottom of the TPU chart:
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Look at the 5800X3D, with 95.9% of the 9600X performance. It runs on motherboards from the Zen 1 era. I'm running a 5700X3D on a B350 board. I could get that performance, or get a 5060 Ti and see a huge performance loss from PCIe 3.0 x8.
 
dartuil said:
Now here is a gap between 9070 and 9060xt.
Time to launch 9070gre worldwide.
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Are stocks of 7800XT and 7900GRE depleted? Because that's where the 9070GRE will slot in raster-wise.
 
I'm seeing contradicting results compared to Hardware Unboxed review, specifically in Hogwarts Legacy and God Of War Ragnarok both at 1440p.
 
Neo_Morpheus said:
... less biased... pro Ngreedia.
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Funny to see these two phrases in the same sentence, with seemingly no awareness of the irony.
Neo_Morpheus said:
Hell, his posts have been LQ by other mods.....
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Yes, talk about moving goal posts then try to conflate the occasional off topic staff comments being treated with same rules as anyone else on forum with being wrong or "biased". My suggestion, try responding to the actual on topic points raised with other on topic actual points, rather than throwing mud to divert attention away from weak assertions.
 
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