Pirate Party Elected to EU Parliament

[WhiteLotus]

Whitelotus: this thread is basically the mailman disagreeing with everyone else

But i do agree with everything he says, even though I am guilty of acquiring things by means of not paying for them.

[watches the internet with shifty eyes]

 

[Mussels]

But i do agree with everything he says, even though I am guilty of acquiring things by means of not paying for them.

<watches the internet with shifty eyes/>

sure, more than a few people agree with him. but that doesnt mean he agrees with you
Mailman has a valid, but very strong opinion on this matter.

Take, for instance, the phenomenon of people lending books to their friends — a phenomenon which absolutely dwarfs, by several orders of magnitude, online piracy of copyrighted books.

What's happened here? Has the author "lost a sale?"

Well. . . yeah, in the short run — assuming, of course, that said person would have bought the book if he couldn't borrow it. Sure. Instead of buying a copy of the author's book, the Wretched Scoundrel Borrower (with the Lender as his Accomplice) has "cheated" the author. Read his work for free! Without paying for it!

The same thing happens when someone checks a book out of a public library — a "transaction" which, again, dwarfs by several orders of magnitude all forms of online piracy. The author only collects royalties once, when the library purchases a copy. Thereafter. . .

Robbed again! And again, and again!

emphasis mine.

don't know any author, other than a few who are — to speak bluntly — cretins, who hears about people lending his or her books to their friends, or checking them out of a library, with anything other than pleasure. Because they understand full well that, in the long run, what maintains and (especially) expands a writer's audience base is that mysterious magic we call: word of mouth.

Word of mouth, unlike paid advertising, comes free to the author — and it's ten times more effective than any kind of paid advertising, because it's the one form of promotion which people usually trust.

That being so, an author can hardly complain — since the author paid nothing for it either

Oh i love this guy. (again, emphasis mine)

 

[DaveK]

Dammit I lost my eye patch, anyone seen it? lol

 

[Ahhzz]

I liked it too

 

[Paintface]

i would post my collection but dont have a cam to take a pic of my 1TB drive

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Hz is a measurement of time. its the same as saying a two cars doing 100MPH = 1 car doing 200MPH. they may be able to carry twice as much, but two cars wont reach a destination 200 100 miles away for an hour, no matter how many there is.

If you simplify it to just cycles per second, you miss the other half of the equation: instructions per cycle. Multiple cores effects instructions per cycle, not cycles per second. In the end, their output (instructions per second) can be equal. For instance, these two equal:

4.0 GHz * 3 IPC = 12 GIPS
2.0 GHz * (3 IPC + 3 IPC) = 12 GIPS

Despite one having a faster clockspeed, they are equal in quality multithreaded apps.


MPH is a bad comparison because the greatest inhibitor to speed is air resistance. If you take the air resistance out of the equation, the amount of force is equal. If those two cars collided head on, the impact force would be equal to a single car hitting a wall at 200 MPH. Likewise, if they were bumper to bumper and hit a wall, the impact force on the car in the middle would be very close to 200 MPH.


If you're 200 MPH car only seats two people but your 100 MPH car seats four and you have to get three people from point A to point B, they would finish at about the same time (the faster car would have to make two trips to achieve the same end).

 

[Mussels]

If you simplify it to just cycles per second, you miss the other half of the equation: instructions per cycle. Multiple cores effects instructions per cycle, not cycles per second. In the end, their output (instructions per second) can be equal. For instance, these two equal:

4.0 GHz * 3 IPC = 12 GIPS
2.0 GHz * (3 IPC + 3 IPC) = 12 GIPS

Despite one having a faster clockspeed, they are equal in quality multithreaded apps.


MPH is a bad comparison because the greatest inhibitor to speed is air resistance. If you take the air resistance out of the equation, the amount of force is equal. If those two cars collided head on, the impact force would be equal to a single car hitting a wall at 200 MPH. Likewise, if they were bumper to bumper and hit a wall, the impact force on the car in the middle would be very close to 200 MPH.


If you're 200 MPH car only seats two people but your 100 MPH car seats four and you have to get three people from point A to point B, they would finish at about the same time (the faster car would have to make two trips to achieve the same end).

you're making my point for me.

Equal in some cases yes - but we're talking a measurement of time. sure, two cars gets the job done twice as fast, but these people are saying that it doubles in speed. not that its equivalent in a perfect world, that its actually double.

2x2GHz = 4GHz.
2x100MPH=200MPH.

it doesnt equal it. 2x just means you have two cars at that speed. twice as much load, yes. twice as FAST? no.

anyway my pet hate is derailing this fabulous topic.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

For processors: Your way of measuring "speed" is by clocks per second. Their way of measuring "speed" is instructions per second.

For cars: Your way of measuring "speed" is by MPH. My way of measuring "speed" is how long it takes to get the job done.

In the end, it is semantics.

 

[mdm-adph]

If you simplify it to just cycles per second, you miss the other half of the equation: instructions per cycle. Multiple cores effects instructions per cycle, not cycles per second. In the end, their output (instructions per second) can be equal. For instance, these two equal:

4.0 GHz * 3 IPC = 12 GIPS
2.0 GHz * (3 IPC + 3 IPC) = 12 GIPS

Despite one having a faster clockspeed, they are equal in quality multithreaded apps.


MPH is a bad comparison because the greatest inhibitor to speed is air resistance. If you take the air resistance out of the equation, the amount of force is equal. If those two cars collided head on, the impact force would be equal to a single car hitting a wall at 200 MPH. Likewise, if they were bumper to bumper and hit a wall, the impact force on the car in the middle would be very close to 200 MPH.


If you're 200 MPH car only seats two people but your 100 MPH car seats four and you have to get three people from point A to point B, they would finish at about the same time (the faster car would have to make two trips to achieve the same end).

For processors: Your way of measuring "speed" is by clocks per second. Their way of measuring "speed" is instructions per second.

For cars: Your way of measuring "speed" is by MPH. My way of measuring "speed" is how long it takes to get the job done.

In the end, it is semantics.

Yeah, but the problem is that these people aren't thinking about it like you are.

They're simply adding "2.0 and 2.0" to make "4.0" which infuriates me.

And they're only doing that because they really don't know what they're talking about. Ask them about clock cycles or workloads and they'll just look at you with a blank face.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I blame the sales person that convinced them they needed that dual-core: "Two cores mean twice as fast!"

Customer: "I'm a genius because I got a really 'fast' processor!"

...

Ads are bad source of information.

 

[El Fiendo]

Forget about the freaking processors! YARRRR be the topic.

For all those who have lost or misplaced their eye patch I'll put a torrent link to mine up. But in all truth, the only thing I download regularly anymore is porn. A lot of porn too. But now with websites that offer free streaming like Youtube, well then I'm just out of things to download. I've got all this bandwidth and nothing constructive to do with it. Free streaming porn is forcing me into piracy! I've got all this bandwidth and nothing constructive to do with it.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

No, no, no! Don't give ISPs a reason to add bandwidth caps/pay per GiB crap!

 

[TheMailMan78]

We are not entitled to property. DRM basically strips us of owning things.

You don't own it. You'll never own it. You pay for the right to listen to it. Nothing more.

Afaik you only get paid up front. If you are so concerned about your family, I don't think it would be a good idea to undertake anything creative, especially when you can barely feed your family. And anyway, when I say something i don't mean it to everything. There are exceptions to what I said, but you could really blame the record labels themselves for taking such a huge share of what they make and then overall making more than all the artists combiend. It is the record labels I am scrutinising here. They are the ones to blame for the lack of money that you talk about. We wont mention major label artists because they are the ones who suffer the least. They breakeven from the financial stress of being a music artist.

Well its the only thing some can do. I guess I should let the government decide what's best for me and mine. :shadedshu

Yes we dont have rights to steal, but I think EVERYONE needs to realise that society is not as law abiding as it seems. Sometimes bending the laws leads to much more returns. IF you really want to stomp out piracy, the more you stomp, the more piracy there will be. Historically speaking any problem that is repressed will result in more of it.

Like slavery? They tried to oppress it and more of it was established?

Game demos lately have been very misleading in terms of the game quality. In most cases the games end up being highly underwhelming; they chucked the best into the demo. Wouldnt you say deceiving the customer is basically a scam? You the law abiding person, would sue wouldnt you? I think not.

I follow the law. If I don't like something I don't buy it. If I buy something and find out later I don't like it I take it as experience. After all we are talking about luxury items here.

You seem to be very protective of the money that you earn from the record labels. Yes getting the amazon trials is a good idea but in the end its just one listen. Most giant corporations have massive amounts of profits that they will never use. Its like a E-penis, well more like Cash Penis. Thats where your money is.

Yes I'm very protective of my money and the right to do with it as I please without someone telling me I'm a bad person because I want to drive a nice car.

Read what i typed above. Look at the revenue numbers. Will they EVER utilise that? No they will just keep expanding. These huge cash reserves basically give so much power to one or two individuals. You the artist receives an extremely tiny portion. I'd like to think of Piracy as a unofficial "tax" only in a slightly different way. Despite the piracy i dont see ANY party really "suffering" apart from the underpaid artists.

Again what they make is of no consequence to you.

Finally I find the lack of a public healthcare system disgusting for a "Developed country". All because major corporations are too anal to pay a little bit more tax, from money which they will never use.

Join the red cross and stop trying to take everyone else money.

I've got to ask, When you say These people do you mean the normal tax paying working public I.e me and many many others ?

These people was meant as the jack asses who voted for the party. It has nothing to do with anyone in particular. Relax. Put the pitch fork and torches down.

 

[El Fiendo]

No, no, no! Don't give ISPs a reason to add bandwidth caps/pay per GiB crap!

Uh, I'm in Canada. We've been capped for years. Most every place BUT the US has caps.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Uh, I'm in Canada. We've been capped for years. Most every place BUT the US has caps.

Well thats not fair. We need to be like everyone else or we will be marked as bad people.

 

[El Fiendo]

It might cut down on your piracy issues.

Of course, according to Obama's administration, Canada is a lawless hub and safe haven for pirates and we have hordes of pirates here. Thus we've been blacklisted.

 

[TheMailMan78]

It might cut down on your piracy issues.

Of course, according to Obama's administration, Canada is a lawless hub and safe haven for pirates and we have hordes of pirates here. Thus we've been blacklisted.

Not Obama! He would never do such a thing! Blasphemy!

 

[silkstone]

mailman is our resident piracy hater. while he is entirely steamed up and ready to set people on fire for talking about it, i get just as worked up over people saying a 2GHz dual core adds up to 4GHz of power.

You meant that my dual core isn;t an 8ghz equivelent?

Actually 2ghz dual core does add up to 4ghz of "power" if you use the car analogy and consider power to be momentum. 2ghz dual doesn;t equal 4ghz speed is all.

But as anyone will tell you 2 cars with a 500 hp engine will be much more "powerful" than a single car with a 1000 hp engine. But electronics is very different from classic physics so that comparison obviously can;t be used here.

computers, computing power vs speed???? will a dual opteron be twice as powerful as a single? of course! will it be twice as fast? never!

 

[Gam'ster]

These people was meant as the jack asses who voted for the party. It has nothing to do with anyone in particular. Relax. Put the pitch fork and torches down.

, Was just asking out of curiosity, Also i rarely vote as i believe most politicians are full of BS more often than not, And no matter whos in power doing what ill still have to pay tax, Go to work and all that so it makes very little difference to my life.

 

[silkstone]

Sorry MM, i love debating with you. I agree with some of your points but i have to argue with these:

Like slavery? They tried to oppress it and more of it was established?

I follow the law. If I don't like something I don't buy it.

Yes I'm very protective of my money and the right to do with it as I please without someone telling me I'm a bad person because I want to drive a nice car.

1 - slavery. Sent underground putting fortunes into criminal hands. Slavery still exists and is prevalent in the world today with a different guise. It has just evolved with capitalism. I can give you hundreds of different examples if you like?
Examples of failure would have to include prohibition and current drug laws.

2 - You don;t know if you like it until you try it.

3 - A cardinal sin, is greed (Yoda, i am!). Too much money is a bad thing according to some people and religions. We're not talking about 1 car here are we?

 

[Steevo]

What is normal is right.


At least in society today. So piracy becoming normal is making it right to most.


Is/was slavery wrong?


The slaves in the US had slaves of other tribes in the their home country, thus the idea that they were victims is incorrect.

But is it right? Judged against the backdrop of the time it was right for many. And then those with power made it wrong, and the majority accepted this, so then it was wrong.


Is smoking right?


Not by the general populace, so we have more and more laws to regulate and control it.


Is drinking right?

By the majority in the US it is, however there are still "dry" counties and areas where it is not sold and is illegal to posses

Right and wrong as defined by a person, government, and general population is subjective to the time and feelings of that day, time.



Back to the thread, if the majority are pirating or wanting to handle media differently then the large corporations have little choice other than to try and change the minds of many, and or force their hand and risk the wrath of the user.


I would pirate a few games if I had known how terrible they would have been, test Drive unlimited for example. A total piece of crap. The studio who made it deserves to go under. Civ however continues to be a excellent game, as do many others.

 

[mdm-adph]

You don't own it. You'll never own it. You pay for the right to listen to it. Nothing more.

Now, you sound like a socialist.

Not saying I don't agree with you, of course.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Now, you sound like a socialist.

Not saying I don't agree with you, of course.

Nice flame bait. I almost bit

 

[FordGT90Concept]

You don't own it. You'll never own it. You pay for the right to listen to it. Nothing more.

You also pay for the implicit right to copy it. All modern audio devices copy the music to their local memory and play it from the memory. If you aren't allowed to copy it, it is then illegal to listen to digital music.

We can't forget DRM which mandates copying not once (encrypted form) but at least twice (decrypted stream passing through the multiple caches of a processor, back to the system RAM, then linked to the audio device which may, or may not, also copy it to RAM on the audio card).

Does modern copyright even acknowledge all those required copy operations just to listen to a product which was lawfully purchased? Nope, this is why the MPAA and RIAA losing lawsuits is the norm, not the exception. In effect, the existing laws are only good at allowing publishers to harass consumers.


Seriously, I can't believe you are siding with the publishers and majority of politicians. It is bad for everyone except those with their hand in the money jar.


@Steevo: There is no right or wrong, only consequences.

 

[TheMailMan78]

@Steevo: There is no right or wrong, only consequences.

If there is no right or wrong then how come I have so many infractions?