NVIDIA Announces its First 40 nm, DirectX 10.1 Compliant GPUs

[ShadowFold]

Nvidia does not have onboard PhysX chips

 

[tkpenalty]

Terrible timing to enter the market when DX10.1 is a standard which will be soon superseded. Oh well at least they rebadge them

lets clear this up. The ATI system is completely different in architecture and implementation than the Nvidia system. This is comparing apples and oranges again. ATI has always had an unusually large number of processor cores compared to Nvidia. In this case more does not equal more power. There is a lot of other stuff going on the chip level than processor core count.

Good example is a ATI GPU core does physics better than the Nvidia core of the same class; BUT the Nvidia card will have an Aegis physics chip that it offloads the physics to which gives it a huge boost in physics. It definitely has a huge number of PPU's that don't get counted when shader specs are listed.

The GPU does the calculations, and native PPUS are just extremely weak GPUs, but without output for display.

 

[ShogoXT]

Hey hey im a ati fanboi as much as the next ati fanboi, but when it comes to laptops, its whoever gets to the 40nm medium sized, fairly slim laptop first thats the fasted.... is what il think about getting.

 

[tkpenalty]

Hey hey im a ati fanboi as much as the next ati fanboi, but when it comes to laptops, its whoever gets to the 40nm medium sized, fairly slim laptop first thats the fasted.... is what il think about getting.

lower fab process doesnt always mean lower temps & power usage.

 

[PP Mguire]

But it does mean they can eventualy stuff more in there

 

[Noggrin]

Source

Thank you.

It's always great fun reading this douchebag bs and failed attempts to look smart and be funny when we all know just how much of a douchebag he is.

Gotta love Charlie the douchebag, he is so stupid and pathetic that he's kinda funny in a way.

 

[hat]

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that there is no 10.1 for desktop users? WTF, there's way more desktop gamers than there are laptop gamers... :/

 

[FordGT90Concept]

They're all mobile chips. :|

I suppose that means don't expect a mobile NVIDIA DX11 chip any time soon. They wouldn't be releasing DX10.1 mobile processors if DX11 was almost ready.

 

[Weer]

lets clear this up. The ATI system is completely different in architecture and implementation than the Nvidia system. This is comparing apples and oranges again. ATI has always had an unusually large number of processor cores compared to Nvidia. In this case more does not equal more power. There is a lot of other stuff going on the chip level than processor core count.

Good example is a ATI GPU core does physics better than the Nvidia core of the same class; BUT the Nvidia card will have an Aegis physics chip that it offloads the physics to which gives it a huge boost in physics. It definitely has a huge number of PPU's that don't get counted when shader specs are listed.

People who correct me often amuse me.

The reason that 240 beat 800 is quite simple. We're talking about a Superscalar architecture. Every 5 ALU's only have a single functioning 'brain'. Each of the 240 are SP's and have their own 'brain', as the architecture is Scalar, which is the next level upwards, just as Superscalar is to Vec4 (Vector - 4 ALU/'brain').

ATI doesn't do physics at all, actually. But, if they did, the performance would only be relative in the exact same way as real-world performance. Or, if nothing else, nVidia would have the upper hand. As I've said from the very beginning of G80 - Scalar is better and Superscalar is out-dated. It's not that ATI has 320 and nVidia has 128, or 800 and 240 and whatever comes next. It's that 1600 fail to beat 480.

 

[Weer]

But it does mean they can eventualy stuff more in there

Which is exactly my point - why don't they?

I remember back in 2006. They had a fully-functional G71M that was identical in almost every way to G71 - the desktop variant and greatest GPU on earth, until R580, of course. R580 still is my favorite GPU.

 

[Hayder_Master]

at last nvidia do what ATI do before a year

 

[1Kurgan1]

Just in time....

I suppose they are moving to DX11 and just decided to show that.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

People who correct me often amuse me.

Interesting, cause I don't remember correcting anyone. I merely pointed out that the design of the chips is different. And that Nvidia, historically speaking has never used as many shaders as ATI.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

No.

Terrible timing to enter the market when DX10.1 is a standard which will be soon superseded. Oh well at least they rebadge them

The GPU does the calculations, and native PPUS are just extremely weak GPUs, but without output for display.

PPU's (Physics processing unit) are just calculation based number crunching units. They don't generate images which is why it will never have a display. It basically calculates random numbers faster and more higher precision than GPU's and CPU's. That is all it does. It is nothing like a GPU core.

Recently, there has been a move to create GPGPU (General-purpose computing on graphics processing units) that can been used for both as needed.

 

[DrPepper]

Nvidia has had onboard PhysX chip since they bought out Aegis. Every Nvidia board from the 8 series and up will have one.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx_new.html

No they don't. Can't find it on the PCB. It's done at the driver level. Just like how pre physx 8800GT's etc can do physx.

 

[ShadowFold]

Where is this PhysX chip at exactly? Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

 

[DrPepper]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_260_Sonic_216_SP/images/front.jpg

Where is this PhysX chip at exactly? Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

Ugh red pcb :shadedshu

 

[TheLaughingMan]

Wrong again. But I am hear to learn as well.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_260_Sonic_216_SP/images/front.jpg

Where is this PhysX chip at exactly? Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

Ok, ok. I yeild on that note. Bad example on my part. There is no dedicated chip like I thought.

What is the green chip on the card for? I didn't see that on any ATI board I have seen.

 

[PP Mguire]

Which is exactly my point - why don't they?

I remember back in 2006. They had a fully-functional G71M that was identical in almost every way to G71 - the desktop variant and greatest GPU on earth, until R580, of course. R580 still is my favorite GPU.

My XFX 7950GT was the bomb digity.

 

[Weer]

My XFX 7950GT was the bomb digity.

Salvay, brotha.

7900 GT with 512MB of RAM. That, and the 7900 GTO - same as GTX but with lesser RAM.

Both.. honorable choices. Wish I had one.

 

[Weer]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_260_Sonic_216_SP/images/front.jpg

Where is this PhysX chip at exactly? Oh, that's right, there isn't one.

Shadow, I'm going to eat your Xbox 360 camera!

The chip exists. Doubt your suspicions. Everything can be proven.

And if not, my 8400 GS can run it. It's healthy enough.

 

[Weer]

Interesting, cause I don't remember correcting anyone. I merely pointed out that the design of the chips is different. And that Nvidia, historically speaking has never used as many shaders as ATI.

You seemed to take a superior tone and explain to me the reason why ATI's 800 can't beat nVidia's 240. That is, without actually knowing why. I understand you're new. No hard feelings towards those that learn.

 

[DrPepper]

Ok, ok. I yeild on that note. Bad example on my part. There is no dedicated chip like I thought.

What is the green chip on the card for? I didn't see that on any ATI board I have seen.

Its a NVIO chip I believe used for outputting sound through HDMI or something of that sort.

 

[hat]

I got a 7900GT right now. It is still awesome for anything pre-Crysis. If only it had 512MB ram...

 

[DrPepper]

I got a 7900GT right now. It is still awesome for anything pre-Crysis. If only it had 512MB ram...

Being the self admitted resident cheapskate of tpu how much would you pay for a gpu maximum ? (Trying not to sound offensive)