Radeon HD 4860 in the Works?

[Duncan1]

i found another article about the UNIKA 4860 on expreview
http://en.expreview.com/2009/07/30/unika-radeon-hd-4860-taken-apart.html#more-4497

according to this article the UNIKA 4860 is only targeted at the Chinese market and it is an RV790 chip not the 40nm mobility HD4860 chip.

Their source is the same as btanunr's, and all they did is that they searched for pics without the it168 logo and put their own.

 

[btarunr]

Their source is the same as btanunr's, and all they did is that they searched for pics without the it168 logo and put their own.

Yup, yup.

 

[inferKNOX]

Ah, ha ha ha! Ok look newtekie1 & SNiiPE_DoGG, this is going to quickly degenerate into a flame war, so let's just drop it and 'agree to disagree' (whatever that means, lol).
Let it just be said that, all this numbering and various performance that is often in non-linear proportion to those numbers is confusing, maybe not confusing you, or me, but confusing none-the-less, k?

BTW, newtekie, the 4850 was put to $100 to fill in the 4770 gap, not as a counter as such. Also, don't take SNiiPE_DoGG lightly, he's no n00b, I am far more a noob than he IMO (don't believe me? check around on the net).

 

[newtekie1]

Ah, ha ha ha! Ok look newtekie1 & SNiiPE_DoGG, this is going to quickly degenerate into a flame war, so let's just drop it and 'agree to disagree' (whatever that means, lol).
Let it just be said that, all this numbering and various performance that is often in non-linear proportion to those numbers is confusing, maybe not confusing you, or me, but confusing none-the-less, k?

BTW, newtekie, the 4850 was put to $100 to fill in the 4770 gap, not as a counter as such. Also, don't take SNiiPE_DoGG lightly, he's no n00b, I am far more a noob than he IMO (don't believe me? check around on the net).

Sounds good to me. I agree that the numbers are often confusing, that is why I believe anyone that buys a graphics card(or any hardware) based on name alone without doing research deserves to get screwed. But thats besides the point.

Again, I don't believe ATi purposely tried to be confusing with their numbering, I'm just saying that it is, while nVidia's rebrandings are actually purposely trying to make things less confusing. NVidia's naming scheme was all fucked up, and as I've said before they started stumbling with the launch of G92 and putting it in the 8800 series.

And while at first the HD4850 wasn't marked down to $100, the HD4770 was actually put out to counter the GTS250's lower price. And when supplies of the HD4770 dried up due to manufacturing dificulties, ATi had to do something else to counter the GTS250, so they lowered the price on the HD4850. It is all just a big competition to get the best price to performance ratio for the consumer. And lowering manufacturing costs is just one of the weapons.

And I highly doubt SNiiPE_DoGG is nearly as knowledgable as I am, but I could very well be wrong. I know he seems to not have a good grasp on how the business world works, regardless of how much knowledge he has in computers...

 

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

lol sorry for this newtekie, but when I made my previous post I made the assumption that you were completely ignorant about business (a good default stance to have because most are) so I oversimplified and then you decided to take that as a chance to call me and idiot...

....trolls have the most tact & class in this world....


trust me you may be full of your post count here at TPU but the post counter is not a knowledge meter so shove your ego off to the side next time

 

[newtekie1]

And where did I call you an idiot exactly?

Questioning your knowledge, and assuming you have none in business isn't calling you an idiot, don't get so defensive. You obviously don't have a grasp on how business and competition works, which is why I explained it to you. Anyone with even a shallow grasp on business wouldn't completely ignore competition in a situation like this. However, ignoring it did fit your argument in trying to make me look like I don't know what I am talking about...anyway...I'm sure that is just be being paranoid and getting defensive...

Being ignorant on a subject doesn't make you an idiot, and isn't a negative thing. My mechanic knows nothing about computers, other than how to use it to type up and invoice, but I would be hard press to call him an idiot. He's actually very intellegent, just like I don't know nearly as much about cars as he does, and I doubt he would call me an idiot either.

Don't get so defensive when someone questions your knowledge on a subject, when I said you have no clue, it wasn't meant as an insult, and I apologize if it came of as one.

And quite frankly, if you had even a basic grasp on business and competition, you would not have responded to my post where I laid out that competition was the basis for lowered prices by completely ignoring competition. So you either didn't have a grasp on what I was talking about, or you simply replied completely ignoring what I said with the purpose of either continuing the argument(trolling) or trying to make my argument and me look bad(attempting to insult me in an indirect way). So really, I wonder which one it was?

And who said anything about post count relating to knowledge? Having a higher post count, and being more knowledgeable is coincidental.

 

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Saying that I dont know about what I am talking about is insulting my intelligence, go back and actually read my post about business in the first place - your reply to that post is not a counterpoint to what I said but more of an elaboration. As I said, I am sorry for assuming your ignorance, but in no way did that post garner the response "wow you are the one who knows nothing about business"

 

[newtekie1]

When you respond to a post about competition and completely ignore competition...well I already went over that...

And remember, you started with the "you need to get a clue about business" shit, so don't even try saying I was the one who started insulting you. I was responding entirely to your statement when I said you are the one with no clue.

So either you do know what you are talking about, and posted purely to try and insult me and troll, or you don't have a clue how business and competition works. Which is it?

 

[wolf]

if they're replicating the (shady) practices of nVidia's marketers, maybe it means their market share is equalizing.

Sometimes I wonder what people see in their head when they think of these 2 brands....

Since Nvidia renames it looks like ATi fans are in a twist about it, but when ATi do they very same thing, they're only "replicating" Nvidias "shady" practices to stay in the game.

they both do it, neither are evil, get over it.

in essence... Why so serious?

 

[newtekie1]

Sometimes I wonder what people see in their head when they think of these 2 brands....

Since Nvidia renames it looks like ATi fans are in a twist about it, but when ATi do they very same thing, they're only "replicating" Nvidias "shady" practices to stay in the game.

they both do it, neither are evil, get over it.

in essence... Why so serious?

I agree entirely, there is nothing wrong with what either is doing, it is nothing that all business don't do or wouldn't do if they could.

 

[wolf]

I agree entirely, there is nothing wrong with what either is doing, it is nothing that all business don't do or wouldn't do if they could.

I think things would be terribly worse for us if either of the 2 stopped existing, which is why I love both brands so much

 

[newtekie1]

Definitely, competition keeps the consumer happy. Same reason we need both Intel and AMD to exist.

 

[wolf]

Adding a third company to the mix of cpu and gpu makers would be intense, now I know there are other company's out there that compete, but I'm strictly taking in the sense of high end gaming rigs and the cpu+gpu's needed to power them.

Wouldn't everyone get caught with their pants down if VIA and Matrox teamed up and set a new vantage record?

 

[mdm-adph]

Sometimes I wonder what people see in their head when they think of these 2 brands....

Since Nvidia renames it looks like ATi fans are in a twist about it, but when ATi do they very same thing, they're only "replicating" Nvidias "shady" practices to stay in the game.

they both do it, neither are evil, get over it.

in essence... Why so serious?

You should ask yourself the same question. There was a reason why "shady" was in parenthesis in my statement.

 

[inferKNOX]

Adding a third company to the mix of cpu and gpu makers would be intense, now I know there are other company's out there that compete, but I'm strictly taking in the sense of high end gaming rigs and the cpu+gpu's needed to power them.

Wouldn't everyone get caught with their pants down if VIA and Matrox teamed up and set a new vantage record?

Yeah, but Intel is looking to do that with it's new Larrabee GPU. LOL, it'll be an all out war then!
Imagine, soon the gameplay graphics may be the same as the pre-rendered videos!
W00T that'll be good!

 

[danbfree]

It made it to the US Finally... seems like a good, temporary 4850 replacement and for $119 shipped free when you buy 2 makes for interesting x-fire combo!

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102866&Tpk=4860

 

[niko084]

I mean just look at the two lineups compared:

ATi | nVidia
HD4870x2 | GTX295
HD4850x2 | GTX285
HD4890 | GTX275
HD4870 | GTX260 55nm
HD4860 | GTS250
HD4850 | GTS240
HD4830 | 9600GT
HD4790 | 9600GSO
HD4770 | 9500GT
HD4730 | 9400GT
HD4670 |
HD4650 |
HD4550 |
HD4350 |

PLEASE tell me this isn't a comparison at line level...

Because a 4770 EATS a 9500GT for complete and utter disaster, even the 4670 destroys it.
The 9400GT lying around the performance slightly below the 4550.

 

[ktr]

Noice combo package @ newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.308960