Early Intel LGA-1156 Quad-Core SKUs Surface

[ShadowFold]

So these are cheaper, higher clocked i7 900's?.. I really don't understand what's going on..

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I think no one does. We have to wait until they come out, see the benchmarks and compare the features. I suspect LGA1156 only exists to cut costs for Intel so it isn't an advantage consumers will see.

 

[MilkyWay]

i was happy with i5 and i7 being seperate platforms now its all confusion its not any better than the old system

why did they make 2 different socket types

AMD has the ball rolling with AM3 being AM2+ compatible that is a genius idea Intel is just stupifying things for no reason

 

[hat]

My head is full of f***. They should have just kept it to one desktop platform and one server platform like it's always been.

I wonder if OC on the p55 platform will be limited because the nb is on the cpu now, due to voltages. Will vcore and nb voltage be one in the same? Even so, with the nb being cooled by cpu coolers, espically the super duper aftermarket coolers we have available to us, the nb will probably be a lot cooler than it was with previous solutions... which could lead to better overclocks.

I bet Intel is testing out which idea works better: nb on the cpu or classic nb on motherboard... that's why they have 2 desktop platforms. NB on the cpu could possibly lead to a much lower failure rate for the chipset because there is a decent cooler on it garunteed (stock cpu cooler... maybe not decent for the cpu, but great for the north bridge). There are many different versions motherboards with the same chipsetm thus different cooling solutions, ranging from a dinky cooler that looks like it belongs on a Radeon 9200 to mini roller coasters. Pic provided for clarity...

This is an MSI p35 platinum, featuring the stock chipset cooling.

And this is an MSI x58m... stock chipset cooling

 

[jessicafae]

pricing is interesting

If the pricing is correct, and Intel is going to compete against AMD on price/performance

$562 Core i7 870 - 2.93 GHz, LGA-1156, 8 MB L3 cache, HTT
$284 Core i7 860 - 2.80 GHz, LGA-1156, 8 MB L3 cache, HTT
$194 Core i5 750 - 2.66 GHz, LGA-1156, 8 MB L3 cache, HTT not available

Then I guess this is saying that the i5-750 is either PhenomII-955 class or better which doesn't seem right.

I can't imaging the i5-750 having i7-920 class performance. They are the same clock and the core architecture is basically the same, but no HTT and dual-channel vs tripple channel has to give a performance hit compared to i7-920.

Does this seem to indicate that these parts may not be a price/performance improvement over existing parts? Is this the first generation change where there is no price/performance benefit for the consumer?
When i7-920 was released in November 2008 it had MSRP of $284.00
i7-860 ($284 Autumn 2009 leaked price) looks really similar to i7-920 (Autumn 2008 initial price) in terms of price/performance (same price, nearly same spec - drop memory bandwidth, but increase clock speed)

granted this is leaked pre-release information, but if it is true....
Is this it?
Is this the end of moor's law related to "Computing performance per unit cost" which is supposed to double every 24months?

 

[vagxtr]

Those are 32nm chips, no? And they only managed 95w from 130w? Pretty sad. I still think Intel has their head screwed on backwards.

Yeah, right. Intel put the brand new yet untested 32nm chips into mainstream lineup. These are just original Nehalems (Bloomingdales) with QPI disabled as they promised long before first lga1367 see the light of the day. Just prices went up for feature disabled chips that wil go together with cheaper boards.

Oh. Well, then, where does the 35w of power savings come from especially considering the northbridge is included with those processors?

On some intel marketing cloud Come on give them some earning space to rip us off while they can

I thought Intel's hyperthreding was supposed to be "HT" to prevent confusing situations just like this one

Intels Hyper Threading was just that simple pure two letters HT. But they need something to confuse people jumping from sinking pentium 4D core to new Hammer K8 and so they came up with smoke screen three letter abbreviation HTT which in fact didn't stand for anything so they need to explain to us what really should it meant to us.

Core i7 8xx!

Now that I did not expect, I would have thought core i7 would be exclusively LGA 1366.

Way to go and confuse the shizzle out of everyone intel

It's not a confusion. It's the same core just put on different bga package And a good startup ... promotion for yet another mainstream socket while 32nm chips are still in the bakery

The 1156 Core i7's would have to be extremely cheap now that you can get 920 for 200$. I'm sorry, this whole thing seems stupid to me.

Stupid or not it money milking. And intel is a decade ahead amd in that. But we must admit they done great money milking with still unpopular pii (deneb core) and products scaling from athlon x2-x4 to phenom x2-x4. They could even produce single core burners Semprons if they didnt scrape that brand

We just expect too much from them while they get rid of crippled cores under some new fancy name

 

[ShadowFold]

If I was going intel I'd definitely want a P55 platform. Just looks better in terms of what I like personally over X58.

 

[lococol]

I think moores law is " the number of transistors will double every 18 months" which i dont think we are seeing any more .
Also i thought it was called i7 , i for intel and 7 for 7th generation , i remember reading this around december when i7 was new , feel free to correct me , cheers

 

[jessicafae]

If I was going intel I'd definitely want a P55 platform. Just looks better in terms of what I like personally over X58.

But I wonder who would upgrade to the LGA1156 platform?
If someone has LGA1366 it makes no sense to downgrade.
The $194 i5-750 is going to be lower performance to i7-920
and the $284 i7-860 looks to have nearly identical performance to the i7-920.

If someone already has an AM2/AM3 system there is no value in switching to these platforms for price/performance (cheaper to upgrade to a better PhenomII, wait for the 6-core to hit mainstream)

A new computer buyer will do the price/performance game and right now these prices do not look better than what is currently on the market for similar price/performance.

A true performance oriented person will buy LGA1366 over LGA1156.

I think moores law is " the number of transistors will double every 18 months" which i dont think we are seeing any more .
Also i thought it was called i7 , i for intel and 7 for 7th generation , i remember reading this around december when i7 was new , feel free to correct me , cheers

It is many things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law#Other_formulations_and_similar_laws
One aspect is what I mentioned
"Computing performance per unit cost"
which is supposed to double every 24 months.
We are in the end-game. A few more die shrinks left, but maybe the limits of price/performance is being hit first.

Also i thought it was called i7 , i for intel and 7 for 7th generation , i remember reading this around december when i7 was new , feel free to correct me , cheers

you are right, I should have said "yearly update" rather than "generation change". i7 and i5 are the same generation. but in terms of the annual re-newal these LGA1156 i5/i7 prices look the same as last years i7 prices for similar performance (within 5-10%).

 

[boogerlad]

i5 for me =)

Edit: What! 196 for an i5? I'm not paying that much for a lynnfield. =(

 

[mdbrotha03]

Anandtech already posted a i5 performance preview on May 29th.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3570

and a Quote from the article.

"The $284 Lynnfield 2.80GHz chip should be very powerful. If I'm guessing right, it'll be faster than any dual core Core 2 Duo in applications that spawn one or two CPU intensive threads, while being faster than a Core i7-920 in even heavily threaded applications."

 

[Weer]

If I was going intel I'd definitely want a P55 platform. Just looks better in terms of what I like personally over X58.

You know, that's actually a very good post. Someone should sig it.

"If I were going Intel" ... "I would definitely want a P55 over X58"

As in, the choice of P55 over X58 is the same as the choice of AMD over Intel.

(Both are stupid)

 

[newtekie1]

I think moores law is " the number of transistors will double every 18 months" which i dont think we are seeing any more .
Also i thought it was called i7 , i for intel and 7 for 7th generation , i remember reading this around december when i7 was new , feel free to correct me , cheers

Nope, i7 essentally stands for nothing according to Intel. It is just something they picked to name the processors.

 

[trt740]

I think this kinda shits gonna make me sell my intel rig and move back to AMD.

 

[Kantastic]

WHAT? No hyperthreading for the i5?!?! SCREW INTEL

Anandtech already posted a i5 performance preview on May 29th.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3570

and a Quote from the article.

"The $284 Lynnfield 2.80GHz chip should be very powerful. If I'm guessing right, it'll be faster than any dual core Core 2 Duo in applications that spawn one or two CPU intensive threads, while being faster than a Core i7-920 in even heavily threaded applications."

Oh hey if the $284 chip beasts the i7 920 I'm all over it.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

WHAT? No hyperthreading for the i5?!?! SCREW INTEL

Lynnfield has hyperthreading. Either 4 cores, 8 threads or 2 cores, 4 threads.

 

[Kantastic]

Lynnfield has hyperthreading. Either 4 cores, 8 threads or 2 cores, 4 threads.

I read somewhere in this thread that the 2.66 i5 won't have HT, but maybe I'm wrong.

I wonder if we'll be able to unlock cores on i5's...

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I read somewhere in this thread that the 2.66 i5 won't have HT, but maybe I'm wrong.

I wonder if we'll be able to unlock cores on i5's...

Not likely. It depends on yields.