AMD Phenom II X6 'Thuban' and Phenom II X4 'Zosma' Tabled on Roadmaps

[TheGuruStud]

Where did you hear this from or do you have your sources?

Having both a 790FX and my X58 setup, I'd much rather have 6 real cores over the 4 assisted ones that I have on my 920. BFBC2 already uses 4 cores on my lightly overclocked 920 at 3.33Ghz without HT enabled. With it enabled, it drops from ~80% to ~30% but there is still some stutter to games every once in a while.

BC2 is a lazy port. CPU is more than powerful enough with 2 cores. EA FTW!

 

[xaira]

all updated road maps show ddr3 only support for all upcoming chips

 

[Kitkat]

Nope, who told you that the Phenom II X6 are all black?
The Phenom II X4 aren't all black, I don't see how the X6 will be.

If they are selling their lowest end Hexa-core for $300, that just makes the I7 920/930 that much more tastier. :shadedshu
I guess I can just hope for an ACCident with the 960T then.

my bad i misunderstood his question, relax. and no, it doesn't make the 920 look tasty id take 6 real cores over that any day. Especial since you wouldn't need another motherboard or ram. 300USD for 6 cores is very reasonable.

all updated road maps show ddr3 only support for all upcoming chips

time to go forward already. lol

 

[Zubasa]

my bad i misunderstood his question, relax. and no, it doesn't make the 920 look tasty id take 6 real cores over that any day. Especial since you wouldn't need another motherboard or ram. 300USD for 6 cores is very reasonable.

I will see when it is actually released, with the IPC advantage of the Nahelem even a Hexa-Core Phenom II doesn't look that powerful.
I take 4 core with each core being more powerful any day, especially being a gamer.
From what we know the highest clocked 6-core is @2.8Ghz, and a presumeably @2.2Ghz 1035T doesn't look impressive at all for even $250.

 

[TheGuruStud]

I will see when it is actually released, with the IPC advantage of the Nahelem even a Hexa-Core Phenom II doesn't look that powerful.
I take 4 core with each core being more powerful any day, especially being a gamer.
From what we know the highest clocked 6-core is @2.8Ghz, and a presumeably @2.2Ghz 1035T doesn't look impressive at all for $300.

You think i7 performs better in games than PII, mmkay. 1024x768 with no AA or AF isn't gaming. For some odd reason, the PII pulls ahead at high detail and res. Not that 1-2 FPS makes a difference haha

 

[Zubasa]

You think i7 performs better in games than PII, mmkay. 1024x768 with no AA or AF isn't gaming. For some odd reason, the PII pulls ahead at high detail and res. Not that 1-2 FPS makes a difference haha

In games that CPU actually matters it does makes a difference,
and the reality is in applications that does not support Hexa-core (which is still the majority), the I7 simply pulls a head and that is no contest.

The PII only pulls ahead on some game because of its signicantly higher clock speeds,
with the 6-cores the clock speeds are keep low to maintain that power envolop.
This is why AMD is implanting the Turbo Boost approach to minimize this set back.

 

[xrealm20]

Not to totally derail this thread, but does anyone have information on the 32nm process chips that AMD will be coming out with in 2011?

Are the going for a new architecture or just increasing clockspeeds and cores on the current phenom II procs?

 

[xaira]

1035t will be 2.4ghz, im hoping its <$200 i dont feel like looking for the source, google is ur friend

 

[Zubasa]

Not to totally derail this thread, but does anyone have information on the 32nm process chips that AMD will be coming out with in 2011?

Are the going for a new architecture or just increasing clockspeeds and cores on the current phenom II procs?

We don't really know much about Bulldozer yet.
What we know is that 32nm is not tied with Bulldozer.
This means we might get 32nm CPUs before 2011, and are likely to get 32nm Phenom IIs first.

1035t will be 2.4ghz, im hoping its <$200 i dont feel like looking for the source, google is ur friend

Google is not always your friend, I am quite sure some idiot will say Bulldozer is based on Fermi.
Google is your friend when it helps you reach a reliable source.
Anyways, @2.4Ghz will put the 1035T somewhere near the i5 750 in terms of processing power, depends on how AMD manage to do their C-state clock boost.

 

[sunil]

That's what's I'm waiting for.AMD is also coming with turboboost on their 6 core CPU.

 

[runnin17]

mmmmm, unlock

WOOOOOT, but I will have to wait at least a year (or maybe not) since I just bought an x2 555BE.

 

[mastrdrver]

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu171/jaydeejohn/20091007amd_roadmap.jpg

all updated road maps show ddr3 only support for all upcoming chips

Right on. Makes sense.

BC2 is a lazy port. CPU is more than powerful enough with 2 cores. EA FTW!

Console ports are life on the PC. Get used to it unfortunately. :shadedshu

 

[fullinfusion]

Nice, I can't wait to see the numbers on the 1075T against the I7's

 

[btarunr]

Wonder what the pricing will look like on these 6core chips ....

The fastest one (1075T) won't exceed $275. AMD can't ask $276 for a desktop processor.

 

[lism]

Too expensive and won't do a whole lot better with it's latency. More L2 makes sense (nowhere to put it), but the L3 is kinda lame.

Proberly cache is the most expensive piece of hardware inside a CPU.

Maybe AMD is just building 8 / 10MB CPU's and cutting those with faillures towards a lower cache level. There's always a faillurerate with a wafer, hence the X3 or X2 what was basicly an X4.

I'd like the sound of a 65W X2 @ 3GHz.

 

[btarunr]

Adding L3 cache beyond a point is waste of die size (costs) and adds too much to the chip's TDP to match up with performance gains. The move from 65 nm to 45 nm let AMD use 6 MB L3 cache to end up with nearly the same die size as Barcelona/Agena. Performance gains according to AMD weren't over 10%.

 

[1Kurgan1]

BC2 is a lazy port. CPU is more than powerful enough with 2 cores. EA FTW!

Nope, BC2 hammers you on load screens, the i7 seems to be the fastest by a lot there. Beyond that in game dual cores work fine, but it doesnt need a quad, I was running a 3.0ghz dual core and maxed out at 1920x1200 and maintaining 40 - 80 fps all the time.

 

[WarEagleAU]

Yeah, a black edition disabled 2 cores for massive unlocking and overclocking. Im really loving AMD! Paired with a new Asus ROG EXTREME::::ROOL::::::

 

[Zubasa]

Yeah, a black edition disabled 2 cores for massive unlocking and overclocking. Im really loving AMD! Paired with a new Asus ROG EXTREME::::ROOL::::::

You read my thoughs exactly Eagle

 

[suraswami]

Adding L3 cache beyond a point is waste of die size (costs) and adds too much to the chip's TDP to match up with performance gains. The move from 65 nm to 45 nm let AMD use 6 MB L3 cache to end up with nearly the same die size as Barcelona/Agena. Performance gains according to AMD weren't over 10%.

So may be like other member said increasing L2 might make sense but again heat, cost and performance all come to play.

Do you know if AMD made more tweaks to the core architecture? Meaning clock for clock will the newer one be faster than the current PII? Or is it just sticking extra cores in there in one package?

Is it on 32nm or still 45nm? Sorry kind of behind on this lately.

 

[mastrdrver]

Adding L3 cache beyond a point is waste of die size (costs) and adds too much to the chip's TDP to match up with performance gains. The move from 65 nm to 45 nm let AMD use 6 MB L3 cache to end up with nearly the same die size as Barcelona/Agena. Performance gains according to AMD weren't over 10%.

Most of the power consumption comes from the L3 cache too since it has not been power gated until Intel did it with the Westmere chips since that is where all the information for the cores and their cache are stored when their powered down.

Nope, BC2 hammers you on load screens, the i7 seems to be the fastest by a lot there. Beyond that in game dual cores work fine, but it doesnt need a quad, I was running a 3.0ghz dual core and maxed out at 1920x1200 and maintaining 40 - 80 fps all the time.

If you have AI disabled on your 4870x2 then I would agree as your only using one gpu. Turn on the second one and you're wrong especially if you have everything turned up in game. As I've previously stated, with my i7 having HT disabled, running that game and TS3 will see my cpu use up in to the 80% area and even higher when there is a lot of explosions or I'm looking at a building collapsing. You may have good fps, I'm not disagreeing with that, but the game does use up just about all of four regular cores. You'll see an increase in fps when you add a quad from a dual especially in heavy fires scenes or lots of smoke/explosions.

 

[Hayder_Master]

im sure the 1075 will be less than 500$

 

[nt300]

im sure the 1075 will be less than 500$

Not even close to $500 not when Intel offer faster CPU's at better price. At the most I see $300 or less.

 

[erocker]

In games that CPU actually matters it does makes a difference,
and the reality is in applications that does not support Hexa-core (which is still the majority), the I7 simply pulls a head and that is no contest.

The PII only pulls ahead on some game because of its signicantly higher clock speeds,
with the 6-cores the clock speeds are keep low to maintain that power envolop.
This is why AMD is implanting the Turbo Boost approach to minimize this set back.

Please enlighten us in some real games where it really makes a difference. I can only think of a couple RTS's where maybe it could happen. Otherwise it's just down to a couple fps. What will be interesting here is the 1090T against a same priced Intel processor such as the i7 920. Which will be more cost effective? We will see.

 

[Fourstaff]

I wonder if it is possible to disable the L3 cache when we don't need it to save power, and enable it whenever we game.