NVIDIA VS AMD when it comes to driver fact(Who is best for long run)?

FreedomEclipse · Mar 26, 2013

theoneandonlymrk said:
but is only after one card and doesn't mention xfire or sli at all, like not at all.....

I'll admit, I kinda missed this. :roll:

When people ask me about drivers I tend to think about it in terms of SLi or Xfire because thats what I run.

For Single GPU performance. I think they are about the same. Obviously a 7970Giga card is the favorite given its price and performance compared to the GTX680.

so for:

Single GPUs = take your pick, It doesnt matter if you go AMD or Nvidia, both sides are fairly well optimised for single GPU

Dual/Quad/Tri-GPU = Definitely Nvidia for SLi. though when it comes to Quad or Tri SLi/Xfire Both sides can be pretty bad and negative scaling can be problems on both sides.

If Titan was cheaper - Im sure there would be more people running with them as they are currently the single most powerful GPU and that cuts out a lot of issues with drivers.

tokyoduong · Mar 26, 2013

theoneandonlymrk said:
Hows about you all actually read the Op , he admits noobship but is only after one card and doesn't mention xfire or sli at all, like not at all.....don't be neg too noobs..

Or you should read the OP because nowhere does he admits he's noobish. He doesn't say he's after one card either. He says which card for the "long run". That means different things for different people but CF/SLI option later is there more often than not.

He got the driver support info wrong. AMD and NVIDIA support old gen cards the same which is none or next to none. No difference in single GPU quality. The only difference being CF/SLI and phyX/Cuda

I'm not bashing noobs but this is a flame bait thread and it doesn't really belong here. There's graphics card forum for that. Regardless, the answer is already in many threads in these forums. If you actually read the whole thread, you would see the mini flame war already started somewhat.

This should just be closed.

the54thvoid · Mar 26, 2013

Nice article at Anandtech about AMD and the frame issues. Relevant to OP's point about drivers.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6857/amd-stuttering-issues-driver-roadmap-fraps

TheoneandonlyMrK · Mar 26, 2013

tokyoduong said:
Or you should read the OP because nowhere does he admits he's noobish. He doesn't say he's after one card either. He says which card for the "long run". That means different things for different people but CF/SLI option later is there more often than not.

He got the driver support info wrong. AMD and NVIDIA support old gen cards the same which is none or next to none. No difference in single GPU quality. The only difference being CF/SLI and phyX/Cuda

I'm not bashing noobs but this is a flame bait thread and it doesn't really belong here. There's graphics card forum for that. Regardless, the answer is already in many threads in these forums. If you actually read the whole thread, you would see the mini flame war already started somewhat.

This should just be closed.

Dont suppose anything fella, I read but did not jump onto the flame war.
And I posted earlier than most ,a reasonable reply which wasnt injected with my supposition or what I think he wanted but didnt ask for.

there are mods for thread closeing so why you think your the authority is beyond me btw

najiro · Mar 26, 2013

I am a GTX 660 user and right now I can tell it it's way better than the 7850 and it is close to a 7870 performance. Also, if you have the guts to unlock the bios and max out power limit to 150% and ramp up the voltage to 1.21 volts... you are looking at a stock GTX 660ti performance....
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4503653

MxPhenom 216 · Mar 26, 2013

tokyoduong said:
Wow.

Unbiased opinion here:

Single GPU: both are equal
CF/SLI: small(tiny) edge to NVIDIA because they've had this longer and seems a bit more polished. Nothing to make or break a deal though. They both patch problems pretty quick so it's not a problem.

Conclusion: There's only 2 reasons why you would ask this question.
1. You are trying to start a flame war
2. You are still noob status with builds

I hope you register as #2. If that is the case then CF/SLI set up is not for you anyways. I know you definitely don't need this for your whopping 18.5 in screen or your unbranded 550w psu.

Choose the GPU that fits your budget and the games you play.

If its not that much of an issue, why even mention it?

Steevo · Mar 26, 2013

Why is this thread still open?

I guess it hasn't escalated into a flame war yet.

BrooksyX · Mar 26, 2013

Never had a problem with either driver. I mostly buy ati/amd cards but have had a few nvidia cards in between. No issues with crossfire either. Never have done sli.

digibucc · Mar 26, 2013

BrooksyX said:
Never had a problem with either driver. I mostly buy ati/amd cards but have had a few nvidia cards in between. No issues with crossfire either. Never have done sli.

same

Tatty_Two · Mar 26, 2013

radrok said:
You must have played 2 games in total then, I mean no offense.

Make that 4 games then as it applies to me also

Had 4850's, 4870's and 5850's in C/F and never had an issue. Only had SLi once and that was with a pair of 8800GT's on an NVidia chipset motherboard (780i) and it was a nightmare! But we all have different experiences.

As for drivers, got both AMDand Nvidia (got a 560Ti in 2nd PC) and both have been well supported by both camps, perhaps there have been "support" issues with older gen AMD cards not benefitting from more recent updates however I think that is equalled out by the amount of driver releases AMD supply which in my fairly limited experience appears to be more often than NVidia.

The age old compatibility issue with AMD and C/F will no doubt continue, is C/F not more versitile though? I am talking model cards compatibility, I did breifly run a 4870 with a 4850, I can't speak for NVidia now as it's been a while since my SLi days but back then I don't think I could have run a 8800GT with an 8600GT?

cadaveca · Mar 26, 2013

My Crossfire problems never end. I so just want Eyefinity and Crossfire working well, with decent performance, doesn't seem possible for me. I'm not the only one with these problems, and I guess a big part of it is that hardfware just isn't quite fast enough to deliver the performance I'm looking for. Simply, I expect too much.

I'd too afraid to try NV for my needs though. I actually have more faith in Nvidia drivers.. I'm just afraid of being disappointed.

Overall, things are pretty good, but at least once a month I find a title or two that in Crossfire gives me motion sickness. I am definitely more sensitive to this than others, but when it happens to the one game I play all the time, it is a big issue for me.

I could post 1000's of words on the problems, some get fixed, new get introduced. I even stopped overclocking to try to eliminate problems, and still, issues abound.

The difference, for me right now, is that AMD is pretty open about it's issues right now. Nvidia..not so much, but they are definitely more open than in the past. Really, I just want the blame game to end, and for these companies to be honest about the issues they encounter.

erocker · Mar 26, 2013

Maybe we should get off the CrossFire/SLi thing, I don't think that's the OP's intent?

*This thread is getting closed down today at some point as the OP hasn't chimed back in or asked any specific questions on the subject. So if anyone has any "mind blowing" points to make, make them sooner rather than later.

cadaveca · Mar 26, 2013

erocker said:
Maybe we should get off the CrossFire/SLi thing, I don't think that's the OP's intent?

*This thread is getting closed down today at some point as the OP hasn't chimed back in or asked any specific questions on the subject. So if anyone has any "mind blowing" points to make, make them sooner rather than later.

That's where the drivers suck for me. It's not a "thing"..it simply qualifies where the problems I have are.

If you want to talk about single GPU, single monitor, AMD drivers are great, and I see no reason that Nvidia would be any better.

You cannot discuss drivers and avoid part of how the drivers work, after all. At least, AMD has now stated that Crossfire overall will remain as is until July. Funny, I said a while ago I'd give them 4 months...

Ithink you're right ,erocker, because AMD admits their drivers have issues right now, but are working to fix them, there's no point in discussing who is better or not for the long run. Nobody can tell at this point.

radrok · Mar 27, 2013

cadaveca said:
If you want to talk about single GPU, single monitor, AMD drivers are great, and I see no reason that Nvidia would be any better.

Agreed, single GPU experience on AMD/ATI is not much different from nVidia.

cadaveca said:
You cannot discuss drivers and avoid part of how the drivers work, after all. At least, AMD has now stated that Crossfire overall will remain as is until July. Funny, I said a while ago I'd give them 4 months...

This is also why I've waited before upgrading to 7xxx series, I am a bit of an ATI fanboy and I hoped they'd solve CFX issues in a reasonable timeframe, I'd have bought a couple 7990s without any hesitation if they did.

Then Titan came and solved my problems with a single big die.

LAN_deRf_HA · Mar 27, 2013

If you want to know whats up on the driver front for AMD I really recommend that Anandtech article.

Batou1986 · Mar 27, 2013

cadaveca said:
At least, AMD has now stated that Crossfire overall will remain as is until July.

Really so maybe in July I an pull my other 6870 out of its box again ?

On topic from a drivers standpoint both work fine on single card setups its CF/SLI where driver support seems to die with age.

cadaveca · Mar 27, 2013

radrok said:
Agreed, single GPU experience on AMD/ATI is not much different from nVidia.

This is also why I've waited before upgrading to 7xxx series, I am a bit of an ATI fanboy and I hoped they'd solve CFX issues in a reasonable timeframe, I'd have bought a couple 7990s without any hesitation if they did.

Then Titan came and solved my problems with a single big die.

Yeah, but you know, single 7970 @ GHz clocks works well for most of my needs, actually. Single monitor, that is.

LAN_deRf_HA said:
If you want to know whats up on the driver front for AMD I really recommend that Anandtech article.

Yep, they make it pretty plain, but at the same time, there is a bit of slant presented as well. Just a little.

Batou1986 said:
Really so maybe in July I an pull my other 6870 out of its box again ?

On topic from a drivers standpoint both work fine on single card setups its CF/SLI where driver support seems to die with age.

Yeah, they kinda stated that there would be a big update in July for Crossfire ,and that they are dealing with issues as they come across them. The main issue for me with this is that there are literally hundreds of titles in my game catalogue that still have issues of one sort or another, and issues I can directly attribute to AMD's driver for one reason or another, like a previous version working fine, or whatever.

To me, there's a reason why both Twitter and Facebook corporate presences exist, and I'm sure those that manage both for any company see that the sort of traffic presented by users is quite different. I only mention this because to truly answer the OP's question, we kind of need to look at who has the best system in place for getting bug reports, and who has the best track record of dealing with them. But there are so many different types of data in that, problems AMD knows about, problems they don't...I'm sure NVidia has similar issues at times as well.

There's no real choice here.

radrok · Mar 27, 2013

cadaveca said:
Yeah, but you know, single 7970 @ GHz clocks works well for most of my needs, actually. Single monitor, that is.

Tbh I fully agree, still there are some titles that give the 7970 a bit of headache at our res though, I recall you have a big 30" (man this came out so wrong

)

I just bought Titan to try out nVidia, last time I've been on green camp was years ago.

brandonwh64 · Mar 27, 2013

Drivers for me even in Xfire have not been bad at all (with the exception of a beta driver). Only in Xfire I see an issues with a game or two not utilizing cards like it should.

erocker · Mar 27, 2013

radrok said:
Tbh I fully agree, still there are some titles that give the 7970 a bit of headache at our res though, I recall you have a big 30" (man this came out so wrong )

I just bought Titan to try out nVidia, last time I've been on green camp was years ago.

What titles are these?

radrok · Mar 27, 2013

On top of my head?

Crysis 3, Metro2033 and my insanely modded Skyrim.

Some other games are just minimum frame rates but that's more CPU than GPU.

7970GE is perfect for the rest of the games.

cool.dx.rip · Mar 27, 2013

theoneandonlymrk said:
Dont suppose anything fella, I read but did not jump onto the flame war.
And I posted earlier than most ,a reasonable reply which wasnt injected with my supposition or what I think he wanted but didnt ask for.

there are mods for thread closeing so why you think your the authority is beyond me btw

thanks mate for understanding me.i don't want to make any fight ot flame war but just lack of attention and language knowledge may be i can't make it clear to u.
BTW:i m asking it about single card.i will not Crossfire in my rig.thanks and sorry if i really make any flame war.Sorry MOD

cool.dx.rip · Mar 27, 2013

Last time asking u which would be better for me 7850 or 660 oc.
I will use only one card and no crossfire in my life maybe

.long run means in my words is it will not have big prob while playing games in future about 5-6 yrs.

tokyoduong · Mar 27, 2013

cool.dx.rip said:
Last time asking u which would be better for me 7850 or 660 oc.
I will use only one card and no crossfire in my life maybe.long run means in my words is it will not have big prob while playing games in future about 5-6 yrs.

660 oc is significantly faster than 7850 and also cost more. There is nothing you can buy now that will last you 5-6 years.

digibucc · Mar 27, 2013

tokyoduong said:
There is nothing you can buy now that will last you 5-6 years.

that's not exactly true, it could last, and work, and still play new games - but at a low res with low effects. It's not guaranteed with the rate technology changes, but it has happened before and will happen again that a top of the line card today still handles games 5 years later.

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