Suggestions on X99 processors?

[qurotro]

My friend got a like-new Asus X99-A for a good price. He's plan on building a gaming + normal use rig.

As I notice Intel doesn't have i7 with 4C8T processors for X99<he doesn't need much processor power except gaming>, saving the money for better like 4x8Gb DDR4 3000 or a better graphic card.

So I'm thinking buying a Xeon E5-1620-v3 (3.5G,140W,L3:10M,4C,8T)<BIOS supported as I checked,>.
But Xeon support lower frequency<2133> than I7's DDR4 2400. I dont know if the Xeon support XMP as i7 did so he can use RAM with XMP or just stick with the 2133Mhz?

I'm using 6800K with huge satisfactory but 28 PCIE lanes than E5-1620v3's 40 lanes...

 

[RejZoR]

Worrying about lanes is pointless unless you plan on using M.2 SSD and Crossfire/SLi GPU configuration. Just get a 5820K or 6800K, depending what you get at a better price. In the end they are basically the same.

 

[tabascosauz]

My friend got a like-new Asus X99-A for a good price. He's plan on building a gaming + normal use rig.

As I notice Intel doesn't have i7 with 4C8T processors for X99<he doesn't need much processor power except gaming>, saving the money for better like 4x8Gb DDR4 3000 or a better graphic card.

So I'm thinking buying a Xeon E5-1620-v3 (3.5G,140W,L3:10M,4C,8T)<BIOS supported as I checked,>.
But Xeon support lower frequency<2133> than I7's DDR4 2400. I dont know if the Xeon support XMP as i7 did so he can use RAM with XMP or just stick with the 2133Mhz?

I'm using 6800K with huge satisfactory but 28 PCIE lanes than E5-1620v3's 40 lanes...

Either you or your friend have to get your priorities sorted. He bought an X99 board (doesn't matter what price he bought it for) so unless it's for a very juvenile show of epeen, there's probably a good reason that induced him to buy it, whether it be lanes or cores. Does he want to OC? This is shit you should probably know before making decisions for him. The E5-1620 v3 may be relatively inexpensive but it's not free. If he did in fact think that OCing would be a really interesting activity for him to try, then that E5 is the end of that.

RAM depends on the board. On X99, higher speed RAM will likely have no problems if you're not trying to push the boundaries of what DDR4 can do, as long as the board supports it. But if you're rolling with E5, it's best to forget all adventures with taking RAM past its base speed (in this case, we might consider 2133 the base speed for DDR4 while 1600 was for DDR3). That's not what Xeons are for. Does he get disappointed with the 1620v3's core count? If yes, buy something else. Does he want to try his hand at CPU OC? If yes, buy something else.

A lot of people think it's "unique" and "cool" to buy E3 / E5 just because everyone else hasn't one (this coming from a 1230v2 owner). Intel isn't brain-dead; the Xeons cater to different audiences (the 1620v3's being professional applications requiring high clock), so unless you're part of that audience, or the Xeon saves you a significant amount of money and you're willling to put up with all its limitations, you should probably stick to the consumer line. COmpared to the 6800K, the 1620 v3 may save you a few bucks, but you are losing out on the hexa-core, a bunch of cache and clockspeed as well, so it's up to you to decide whether that slight discount is worth all the deficits. The E5 is also of the Haswell-EP generation; with it comes the old 22nm process and all of Haswell's heat characteristics. Don't be fooled for a second by its locked nature and relatively middling clockspeed; it isn't some magically cool gem of a CPU.

If Crossfire or SLI in addition to PCIe storage is a concern, then the base SKU 6800K is most likely not your best choice. If it isn't, then by all means get the 6800K. Simple.

 

[qurotro]

Either you or your friend have to get your priorities sorted. He bought an X99 board (doesn't matter what price he bought it for) so unless it's for a very juvenile show of epeen, there's probably a good reason that induced him to buy it, whether it be lanes or cores. Does he want to OC? This is shit you should probably know before making decisions for him. The E5-1620 v3 may be relatively inexpensive but it's not free. If he did in fact think that OCing would be a really interesting activity for him to try, then that E5 is the end of that.

RAM depends on the board. On X99, higher speed RAM will likely have no problems if you're not trying to push the boundaries of what DDR4 can do, as long as the board supports it. But if you're rolling with E5, it's best to forget all adventures with taking RAM past its base speed (in this case, we might consider 2133 the base speed for DDR4 while 1600 was for DDR3). That's not what Xeons are for. Does he get disappointed with the 1620v3's core count? If yes, buy something else. Does he want to try his hand at CPU OC? If yes, buy something else.

A lot of people think it's "unique" and "cool" to buy E3 / E5 just because everyone else hasn't one (this coming from a 1230v2 owner). Intel isn't brain-dead; the Xeons cater to different audiences (the 1620v3's being professional applications requiring high clock), so unless you're part of that audience, or the Xeon saves you a significant amount of money and you're willling to put up with all its limitations, you should probably stick to the consumer line. COmpared to the 6800K, the 1620 v3 may save you a few bucks, but you are losing out on the hexa-core, a bunch of cache and clockspeed as well, so it's up to you to decide whether that slight discount is worth all the deficits. The E5 is also of the Haswell-EP generation; with it comes the old 22nm process and all of Haswell's heat characteristics. Don't be fooled for a second by its locked nature and relatively middling clockspeed; it isn't some magically cool gem of a CPU.

If Crossfire or SLI in addition to PCIe storage is a concern, then the base SKU 6800K is most likely not your best choice. If it isn't, then by all means get the 6800K. Simple.

nah, All he care about is the gaming experience, OCing is not that important. Before this he was using an i7 3770<non K>and he feel so satisfied and now he buy this X99 mobo is mostly because its high-end looking. If the Xeon supports XMP memory speed doesn't a matter anymore. Saving that 100 bucks for some unused cores and buy one more GTX970<he has one now>,paying another 100 bucks

 

[hat]

5820k and call it a day. Hope he won't mind spending the money just to have a high-end looking system that'll do the same thing his evidently not so high-end looking i7 3770 system does.

 

[tabascosauz]

nah, All he care about is the gaming experience, OCing is not that important. Before this he was using an i7 3770<non K>and he feel so satisfied and now he buy this X99 mobo is mostly because its high-end looking. If the Xeon supports XMP memory speed doesn't a matter anymore. Saving that 100 bucks for some unused cores and buy one more GTX970<he has one now>,paying another 100 bucks

So this is taking the money saved from opting for a side-grade and putting it towards a last-gen card when far superior products have already been released and more are around the corner. Seems legit. Staying with Z170 would have been a significantly better allocation of funds towards better tech in...well, virtually every aspect, considering that even the i7-6700 has a not-insignificant lead over the E5 in both IPC and clock, as well as thermals.

But it isn't my decision. I think a lot of people here will be telling you to stay with a 5820K or 6800K, and all for very good reason. But if he wants to go all-out epeen on a X99 board yet squander the advantage on a E5-1620 V3 that is essentially a now-replaced product and doesn't fit his purpose, that's his decision.

 

[qurotro]

So this is taking the money saved from opting for a side-grade and putting it towards a last-gen card when far superior products have already been released and more are around the corner. Seems legit. Staying with Z170 would have been a significantly better allocation of funds towards better tech in...well, virtually every aspect, considering that even the i7-6700 has a not-insignificant lead over the E5 in both IPC and clock, as well as thermals.

But it isn't my decision. I think a lot of people here will be telling you to stay with a 5820K or 6800K, and all for very good reason. But if he wants to go all-out epeen on a X99 board yet squander the advantage on a E5-1620 V3 that is essentially a now-replaced product and doesn't fit his purpose, that's his decision.

He was using a now-replaced product i7 3770 with satisfied anyway...As those E5-1620v3 are getting replaced, their price is cheap, that's why my thought was poped out...As 3770 has the same performance as the E5-1620v3, maybe less.

5820k and call it a day. Hope he won't mind spending the money just to have a high-end looking system that'll do the same thing his evidently not so high-end looking i7 3770 system does.

He got pretty nice looking case with all those nice graphic card...cooler...fans now. But a low-end looking B75 with them since the budget he build the pc at that time...I felt kinda sorry cuz I did laugh at his B75 build...lol...
Probably that's one reason he want that X99...

 

[peche]

i see no point having ivy and looking for X99...

 

[EarthDog]

Worrying about lanes is pointless unless you plan on using M.2 SSD and Crossfire/SLi GPU configuration. Just get a 5820K or 6800K, depending what you get at a better price. In the end they are basically the same.

M.2 has nothing to do with available PCIe lanes... remember, m.2/u.2 comes from the PCH in most cases.

Anyway, since you have X99, I would get the latest processor, 6800K. PCIe lanes really have nothing to do with your friend. Worst case he goes 16x/8x in SLI and loses 1-2% performance.

and you're willling to put up with all its limitations

Do tell what those are..............

 

[GhostRyder]

My friend got a like-new Asus X99-A for a good price. He's plan on building a gaming + normal use rig.

As I notice Intel doesn't have i7 with 4C8T processors for X99<he doesn't need much processor power except gaming>, saving the money for better like 4x8Gb DDR4 3000 or a better graphic card.

So I'm thinking buying a Xeon E5-1620-v3 (3.5G,140W,L3:10M,4C,8T)<BIOS supported as I checked,>.
But Xeon support lower frequency<2133> than I7's DDR4 2400. I dont know if the Xeon support XMP as i7 did so he can use RAM with XMP or just stick with the 2133Mhz?

I'm using 6800K with huge satisfactory but 28 PCIE lanes than E5-1620v3's 40 lanes...

5820K, its honestly one of the better value processors out there.

 

[RejZoR]

M.2 has nothing to do with available PCIe lanes... remember, m.2/u.2 comes from the PCH in most cases.

Anyway, since you have X99, I would get the latest processor, 6800K. PCIe lanes really have nothing to do with your friend. Worst case he goes 16x/8x in SLI and loses 1-2% performance.

Do tell what those are..............

It's funny though that X58 could do 16x/16x, but 3 generations later, it can't anymore unless you buy the crazy expensive top end CPU model...

 

[hat]

Anyway, since you have X99, I would get the latest processor, 6800K. PCIe lanes really have nothing to do with your friend. Worst case he goes 16x/8x in SLI and loses 1-2% performance.

Well the 5820k is quite a bit cheaper than that 6800k, and the difference will be marginal at best. In fact this whole thing is a marginal difference in everything except how it looks. Maybe his friend should choose which CPU he thinks has the best looking box?

 

[peche]

Well the 5820k is quite a bit cheaper than that 6800k, and the difference will be marginal at best. In fact this whole thing is a marginal difference in everything except how it looks. Maybe his friend should choose which CPU he thinks has the best looking box?

no ... intel's new boxes are so gay ....

Spoiler: so so gay ...

 

[EarthDog]

Well the 5820k is quite a bit cheaper than that 6800k, and the difference will be marginal at best. In fact this whole thing is a marginal difference in everything except how it looks. Maybe his friend should choose which CPU he thinks has the best looking box?

Its $60 difference for some meager IPC increases, agreed. But, I am a sucker for the latest if its out there. Someday, that couple % performance increase will breathe a longer last breath than the older CPU.

no ... intel's new boxes are so...

Can't say they look happy... or are you tossing out a homophobic slur?

 

[tabascosauz]

Do tell what those are..............

Lower clock, lower IPC, more heat, platform not intended to beyond-2133 DDR4. One could make the argument that neither is the 5820K or 6700K, but the Xeon values stability over the ability to hit those higher speeds (again, using a product for what is really not its intended purpose). But then again, 2400 never hurt nobody. E5 1620 v3 saves ~$100 that really is not that important in light of the 6800K's advantages.

 

[hat]

It's funny though that X58 could do 16x/16x, but 3 generations later, it can't anymore unless you buy the crazy expensive top end CPU model...

Maybe that was handled by the x58 chipset and not the CPU? PCI-E lanes nowadays are mostly provided by CPU and some extra by the board. Still, 8x/8x PCI-E 3.0 wouldn't bottleneck even GTX1080, I think. That said, I dislike SLI anyway, so for me it's personally a non-issue. If I had an x99 setup with a 5820k, I'd be using 16 lanes for my single GPU, and have 12 left over (by CPU) for other crap I don't use.

 

[RejZoR]

Most likely since X58 still had north bridge. I think only thing moved into CPU at that time was memory controller and some other thing.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Sell the X99 board and keep the existing system. Your friend won't notice difference. there is nothing wrong with a B75 motherboard in a non-OC'ing system.

But a low-end looking B75 with them since the budget he build the pc at that time...I felt kinda sorry cuz I did laugh at his B75 build...lol...
Probably that's one reason he want that X99...

So "your friend" wants to spend money only because you laughed at his MB? Can I ask why? I drive a Corvette. Several of my friends now want a Corvette more than they did before because I have one. I don't laugh at their generic economy car because that's what they could afford at the time. I think you really need to talk to your friend about why they want to go X99. They won't use it to it's full potential (btw, if all you do with it is game, you wasted money going X99 also).

edit: Oh hell, I just noticed you have two TitanX video cards and only using two 1920 x 1080 60 Hz monitors. No offense, but you really don't need to be giving advice on buying computer parts. Two TitanX cards for a dual 1080p and 60 Hz monitor system?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Two TitanX video cards hooked up to 1080p monitors that are only capable of 60 FPS?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[RejZoR]

You do realize you can have more FPS than monitors have refresh?

 

[peche]

no but

Can't say they look happy... or are you tossing out a homophobic slur?

you gotta recognize that older boxes were pretty much better than the crappy current ones, looks so generic,

Regards,

 

[qurotro]

Sell the X99 board and keep the existing system. Your friend won't notice difference. there is nothing wrong with a B75 motherboard in a non-OC'ing system.



So "your friend" wants to spend money only because you laughed at his MB? Can I ask why? I drive a Corvette. Several of my friends now want a Corvette more than they did before because I have one. I don't laugh at their generic economy car because that's what they could afford at the time. I think you really need to talk to your friend about why they want to go X99. They won't use it to it's full potential (btw, if all you do with it is game, you wasted money going X99 also).

edit: Oh hell, I just noticed you have two TitanX video cards and only using two 1920 x 1080 60 Hz monitors. No offense, but you really don't need to be giving advice on buying computer parts. Two TitanX cards for a dual 1080p and 60 Hz monitor system?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Two TitanX video cards hooked up to 1080p monitors that are only capable of 60 FPS?!?!?!?!?!?

I only have one Titan X actually you cant even get steady 60fps in GTA V if you push everything to the top.....and I'm pretty interested in the new Titan ..if I can afford..
He want X99 cuz I just bought a Strix X99 that looks perfect so he want one too..not because the RGB LED but how awesome the mobo looks than his B75...and its a MATX mobo....

Lower clock, lower IPC, more heat, platform not intended to beyond-2133 DDR4. One could make the argument that neither is the 5820K or 6700K, but the Xeon values stability over the ability to hit those higher speeds (again, using a product for what is really not its intended purpose). But then again, 2400 never hurt nobody. E5 1620 v3 saves ~$100 that really is not that important in light of the 6800K's advantages.

6800k on its way

 

[EarthDog]

Lower clock, lower IPC, more heat, platform not intended to beyond-2133 DDR4. One could make the argument that neither is the 5820K or 6700K, but the Xeon values stability over the ability to hit those higher speeds (again, using a product for what is really not its intended purpose). But then again, 2400 never hurt nobody. E5 1620 v3 saves ~$100 that really is not that important in light of the 6800K's advantages.

IPC doesn't change. Xeon's usually have a lower TDP, depending on which one.

As far as RAM speeds... seriously.. I run DDR4 3K on 5820K, 32GB at 3200MHz CL14 on Broadwell-E. They are spec'd at 2133 MHz DDR4 as well... because of course that's the spec for the platform.

I dont understand what the intended purpose (a server chip) has to do with anything. Clock for clock to its counterparts, it performs exactly the same. The concern is, as you said it, the lower clocks... that's about it.

6800k on its way

Cool!

 

[tabascosauz]

IPC doesn't change. Xeon's usually have a lower TDP, depending on which one.

E5-1620 v3 is a Haswell-EP product. 6800K is a Broadwell-E product. It was established when the 5775C was reviewed that Broadwell came with an identifiable increase to IPC (just not Skylake-big), though at the end of the day the higher clock of the 6800K is primarily what gives it the advantage. I hinted at the possible thermal advantage of the 6800K as Haswell = hot and Broadwell = not as hot. TDP is irrelevant as the 1620 v3 is of a different family, and I think the Xeon you are referring to is the E3, where the lower TDP comes from the lack of a functional iGPU compared to its quadcore mainstream counterpart. EP families usually have the same die sans iGPU in different forms = the exact same TDP.

Not that it really matters cause OP has made a good decision as far as we're concerned

 

[BarbaricSoul]

I only have one Titan X actually you cant even get steady 60fps in GTA V if you push everything to the top.....and I'm pretty interested in the new Titan ..if I can afford..
He want X99 cuz I just bought a Strix X99 that looks perfect so he want one too..not because the RGB LED but how awesome the mobo looks than his B75...and its a MATX mobo....

I could swear your specs listed two TitanX cards, but whatever.

As for GTA V, using a GTX 980, TPU hit 128 FPS with

with everything set to very high and MSAA off

. Hell, the TitanX got 95 FPS.

Also, like I said, there's nothing wrong with B75 for what your "friend" is using it for. Same goes for using a mATX motherboard. Following your advise, your friend is going to spend a butt load of money and not get any real noticeable performance gains over what they are using now.

 

[qurotro]

As for GTA V, using a GTX 980, TPU hit 128 FPS with . Hell, the TitanX got 95 FPS.

there are some options in the advanced graphic selection...and of course I need x4 MSAA as I did play with no AA before that kills my eyes...and trust me, titan X cant handle x8 MSAA in GTA V