*poll* Nvidia Voltage Limit! Stop Killing me!

[Nicholas Peyton]

Nvidia Voltage Limit! Stop Killing me!

Running my EVGA GTX 1080 Classified at 2300 MHZ @ 1.2 volts

(I hacked beyond nvidia BIOS limit of 1.093v to achieve faster clock).​

When I lower the voltage, down towards stock limit, overclocked software crashes!

-This PROVES our PASCAL cards are voltage starved!
-No BIOS editors for Pascal exist

vote if you think Nvidia could unlock BIOS voltage.
Perhaps even by offering an 'Enhanced Tuning Plan' on 'unlocked GPU's?
(Similar to Intel's new 'Tuning Protection Plan' for K series unlocked processors).
​

• Reference designs could remain as-is (with limited voltage control / overclocking, exactly as they are currently.​
• Bigger cards, could be fully unlocked giving us the same control we already enjoy with our CPU's.​

Here's an example of Intel's optional CPU plan: (maybe something similar adapted for GPU's)​

What is the Performance Tuning Protection Plan? ?
The Performance Tuning Protection Plan is an additional plan that a customer can purchase to cover processor failures caused by operating the eligible processor outside of Intel’s published specifications.

Why is Intel offering the Performance Tuning Protection Plan?
Intel has received feedback from customers who want to implement overclocking on eligible processors, but because of the lack of any replacement coverage for the eligible processors, the risk of overclocking is too great. We understand this position, and while we cannot endorse overclocking, we want to provide a limited remedy if issues arise as a result of their decision to enable overclocking. The limited remedy consists of a replacement processor (i.e., replacing the processor damaged solely as a result of the overclocking).

This would enable us to reach the full potential of our hardware WITHOUT the need, to go near it with a soldering iron!


Video: "My overclock crashes when lowering to Nvidia voltage limit".
https://youtu.be/T1YCoTXBNJY

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DISCUSSION: (updated)​

GPU's are more than just the chip, they're an entire card!
-So how do we amend the intel plan to make it work for GPU's?
-So both over-clocker & manufacturer, both benefit?

 

[dorsetknob]

Please LIKE my video

That would require me to sign up for a google/youtube accunt Sorry just watch vid's never like them or comment

Ps Anyone that asks for like's ( is Desperate for Something )
PPS

This would enable us to reach the full potential of our hardware WITHOUT damaging, physical hardware modifications!

I don't think you fully understand Intels " Insurance Deal"

 

[micropage7]

i think its one way to prevent stupid people raising the voltage and burn their card then blame the company
btw you need to use smaller font size

 

[Finners]

What clocks could you reach with 1.09v?

 

[micropage7]

You could just as easily do that with your CPU... no big brother there!

And that's why I suggested an 'unlock'. or an 'enthusiast key' of some sort.


What resolution are you running?

i use 1440x900
your first post

maybe nvidia just test the water and see how far it will go

 

[Finners]

About 2252 depending on temperature/power usage.

So for an increase of nearly 10% in voltage you gain 2% in clock speed, which probably gives you a 0.5% increase in performance. Not worth it in my opinion.

You have an above average clocking card from what I have read online so I would look at actually undervolting it whilst overclocking if you like to tinker. I think there is a good chance you could get 2100Mhz or better @ 1.0v

 

[TheHunter]

That's because they didn't want Pascal go over 2.1Ghz, so something had to be done - hw voltage limit.



In your case, 2300mhz @ stock voltage well of course it will crash, Imo no gpu will pass such low voltage at 2200mhz+, try 1150mv.

 

[dorsetknob]

If I want to do some LN2 on my GPU why should I have to risk destroying my card because I solder the wrong wire and cause a short.?

Because you are hard modding the Card in that situation and its then on your head if you mod it and destroy it
No insurance plan would permit you to hard mod ( and pay out )
Not even Intels with their CPU plan allows you to hard mod the CPU

 

[alucasa]

Not gonna happen. Such a key will be abused and the overall blame will be placed on maker despite of its original intent.

That is human nature unfortunately.

You may not expect warranty but some idiot will with a claim of "If they allow it, they should cover it with warranty.".

 

[buildzoid]

I'd solve it with a requirement to do a irreversible hard mod on the card to get voltage control. Then if people try to RMA those cards they can just check if the mod was done and reject them.

 

[dorsetknob]

It would also create a more fair playing field on sites like hwbot, as at the moment people with the most money sit at the top. In the elite leagues. Simply because they can afford to do so.

Naive Thinking from you Sir
Nvidia and AMD dont give a shit about a fair playing field
kill or be killed its the motto of their marketing the word Fair is missing from their volcabury
its an employment condition related to your EMPLOYMENT Ethical lobotomy

Its a Hard world and in case you have forgotton
LIFE IS LIKE EATING A SHIT SANDWICH
THE MORE BREAD YOU HAVE THE LESS SHIT YOU EAT

 

[sneekypeet]

I could be way off here, but are you not assuming that all of the components on the VGA can handle the added voltage? IE when I recall back to seeing Kingpin do his hard mods with ePower boards, there are a complete set of power delivery components that are on that board as well. It could simply be that the manufacturers are limiting voltage based on the fact that you would systematically just start burning all of the default power delivery system, no?

 

[the54thvoid]

You're being a bit naive Nicholas. The Intel plan is cool but it doesn't protect your motherboard. VRM's on a mobo will possibly fry with higher than recommended voltage so insuring the chip is great when it'll be the mobo that gets secondary damage. With a graphics card you're asking Nvidia to give insurance not just on the chip but ALL the components of the PCB - that's not practically possible. Also, Nvidia know the tolerances of the chip and understand the finer points of the architecture that a 'hammer' wielding amateur enthusiast does not. Kingpin is no amateur but even he is locked in to this ecosystem of voltage protection as a design feature of the cards tolerances.

Overclocking is not a right - it's a hobby and a risk. You need big balls to screw with a £700 card. It's more 'hobbyist' to actually buy the cheaper end and work on that instead. I didn't vote because your poll does not allow an option for...

"No - overclocking is not a right - we need to accept those risks to be truly proven as an overclocker and modder", or
"No - safety nets on overclocking make it too easy - give me death or glory".

 

[infrared]

There's a bit more to go wrong with a board with thousands of already highly stressed components than a CPU. Intel make money from that scheme because they were betting (most likely correctly) that very few cpu's would actually be replaced, graphics cards on the other hand would be going bang left right and center.

If you're pushing your card hard, I don't think it's reasonable to expect any kind of warranty coverage at all. Just my opinion. I'm not rich by any means but if I blew up something that I'd modded I'd just shrug and have a look around for a replacement. Taking the chance is part of the fun!

 

[the54thvoid]

Hence some models being locked down (as they are now).. while others could be 'unlocked'? (Such as EVGA Classified or MSI Lightning, or ZOTAC Amp Extreme & Galax Hall of Fame) <--- all of those have 14+ phase overkill VRM's which can easily handle a 180w chip. (with room to spare)...

It's marketing bullshit.

The chips themselves cannot handle the voltage - the architecture process node is too small - electricity does not behave well at those scales. Adding more does not scale up and it will not be stable.

 

[dorsetknob]

Nvidia Sell 5000 unlocked $1000 cards with a $100 insurance premium
Enthusasts buy 5000 cards
same Enthuasts bork 4000 cards ( they are encouraged by insurance )
Nvidia made $500.000 on insurance But has to pay out $4,000,000 on warrenty claims ( never going to happen)
Costing figure Specultive but Realistic

PS far more Realstic than your Dream

 

[Ebo]

To me OC of any GFX and also any system is a really bad idea, all should be locked or let the whole thing go down in flames, and remove any form of warranty if doing so.

 

[dorsetknob]

Jesus Christ you just don't get it

Ask yourself this
INTEL INSURANCE PLAN = Intel component 1 of only ( no parts bought in All manufactured in house )
.
Graphics Card has hundred's of parts bought in and made into a working Card
Each part can Fail making entire card fail
By unlocking card and encouraging people to stress entire card above its spec's ( its insured mate so i can duh stupid)
And you expect the manafacture to carry the risk of a 10c component Supplied by a 3rd party supplier running over spec and burning out rendering them liable for the Entire Card.

 

[dorsetknob]

You also covered your question with a reply

The only reason the EVBOT was discontinued during the Nvidia 7 series cards; was because Nvidia threatened EVGA with a loss of warranty if they didn't remove EVBOT support.

Nvidia realised that it was costing them more in warrenty claims so that had to STOP.

Bottom line is ANYTHING THAT INCURES HIGHER LOSSES FOR NVIDIA WILL BE STOPPED
"PROFIT BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE"

 

[thesmokingman]

Why is it that every time you do something you act like its the end of the world?

 

[scevism]

Im still with my 780ti with oc voltage unlock. Been running great about 2 years now pb could tweak it bit more.

 

[cadaveca]

Hence some models being locked down (as they are now).. while others could be 'unlocked'? (Such as EVGA Classified or MSI Lightning, or ZOTAC Amp Extreme & Galax Hall of Fame) <--- all of those have 14+ phase overkill VRM's which can easily handle a 180w chip. (with room to spare)...

Pascal TDP for 1080: 180w
EVGA Classified/Kingpin Edition 14 phase VRM = 510w limit
Galax Hall of Fame 16 phase VRM = 500+++ ? watts
Zotac Amp 16 phase VRM = 500 ++ ? watts

These VRMs are overspecc'd because that allows them to deliver cleaner power at normal usage levels, while also being at the height of efficiency. It's NOT about being able to provide all that power. Motherboards do the same; Most are vastly over-designed for a CPU that MIGHT draw 150W on mainstream, and 300W on HEDT. (example, Gigabyte Z77X-UP7, 2000W power delivery, even extreme OC may only use ~300W on such a platform, and even then, that'll most likely kill CPU.)

 

[erocker]

Nvidia isn't doing it as it would take away from their AIB partners market with specialty cards designed to operate above Nvidia's specifications. Even then lately, Nvidia is pretty strict.

 

[dorsetknob]

I'm not suggesting for a second, that Nvidia allow us a voltage that's going to instantly fry our cards. But I should at least retain the option to overclock MY card how I want to/when I want to.

"""Sorry but you seem to miss the Point"""

It May be Your Card ( or the Finance Company's if bought on Credit )
BUT NVidia Decided how it was made and what ""WARRANTY THEY WILL OFFER AND HONOUR""

IN THE END YOU BUY AT THE TERMS THEY DICTATE THERE IS NO IF / BUT OR QUIBLE
YOU DONT LIKE THE SELLING TERMS THEN DON'T BUY
and by the way its the same with AMD

 

[dorsetknob]

Thank YOU but I WILL TURN ON CAPS and off as i see fit to make the points i deem nessarry
Next your be moaning about the font size and colour