AMD Ryzen Stock Cooling Solutions Detailed

[notb]

Check this:

Stop!!! we have a badass intel fanboy being butthurt here!

Sad.

You don't agree that what Intel does is sensible? They add a sufficient cooler to locked CPUs and sell models designed for overclockers without any cooling, assuming it would be replaced anyway by most clients.

Compare this to AMD approach: they bundle a cooler to their unlocked CPUs and we know that at some point it will not be sufficient for the temperatures.
I guess we can safely assume that Wraith Max performs worse than Noctua NH-L12 and the latter is hardly a cooler recommended for overclockers (but an excellent solution for everyone else).

 

[Grings]

Is that even a new cooler in the last pic? it looks like the one that came with my s939 opteron

 

[deu]

I like to keep it as a backup so if something happens to my primary cooling solution, I can keep using my PC while I wait for an RMA or replacement or whatever.

That is a really weird logic you have there then... You complain that you CAN get it with the CPU (if you want) but you dont want it (but want it anyways) So actually you should be saying: nice that you have both options! Now I can get a cooler if I like or save the money if I DONT.

 

[deu]

Check this:


Sad.

You don't agree that what Intel does is sensible? They add a sufficient cooler to locked CPUs and sell models designed for overclockers without any cooling, assuming it would be replaced anyway by most clients.

Compare this to AMD approach: they bundle a cooler to their unlocked CPUs and we know that at some point it will not be sufficient for the temperatures.
I guess we can safely assume that Wraith Max performs worse than Noctua NH-L12 and the latter is hardly a cooler recommended for overclockers (but an excellent solution for everyone else).

The ONLY difference is that AMD gives you the OPTION to get a cooler for their topmodel if you WANT to.
You can choose whether or not you want a cooler for your 1700 or 1800X; you dont HAVE to. IF you're going for no OC but highperformer; well choose the option WITH cooler; if you wanna OC; choose the option WITHOUT cooler and save a few bucks. It is SUPER logical! I dont get why it is so hard to comprehend!? :S

 

[TheLaughingMan]

That is a really weird logic you have there then... You complain that you CAN get it with the CPU (if you want) but you dont want it (but want it anyways) So actually you should be saying: nice that you have both options! Now I can get a cooler if I like or save the money if I DONT.

Actually didn't say that at all. I said I will likely never use it. Just and observation, not a complaint.

 

[notb]

The ONLY difference is that AMD gives you the OPTION to get a cooler for their topmodel if you WANT to.
You can choose whether or not you want a cooler for your 1700 or 1800X; you dont HAVE to. IF you're going for no OC but highperformer; well choose the option WITH cooler; if you wanna OC; choose the option WITHOUT cooler and save a few bucks. It is SUPER logical! I dont get why it is so hard to comprehend!? :S

Because what you've just said is valid only if all combinations will be available.
Looking at the picture from the text we see the -X CPUs are shown in a "WOF" version (no cooler), but the "non X" 1700 has 2 versions... both with a cooler (the weaker one).

EDIT!:
AMD has just shown the new offer.
1700 will be offered with a cooler only (Wraith Spire).
1700X and 1800X will be offered without a cooler (at least that's the current official statement).
Wraith Max (the square one) wasn't mentioned at all.

So it seems AMD agrees with me: Intel strategy makes sense and they've just copied it.

At this point there is only one unknown: if the 1700 is unlocked, but NOT targeted at overclockers, what is it's OC potential?

 

[deu]

Because what you've just said is valid only if all combinations will be available.
Looking at the picture from the text we see the -X CPUs are shown in a "WOF" version (no cooler), but the "non X" 1700 has 2 versions... both with a cooler (the weaker one).

EDIT!:
AMD has just shown the new offer.
1700 will be offered with a cooler only (Wraith Spire).
1700X and 1800X will be offered without a cooler (at least that's the current official statement).
Wraith Max (the square one) wasn't mentioned at all.

So it seems AMD agrees with me: Intel strategy makes sense and they've just copied it.

At this point there is only one unknown: if the 1700 is unlocked, but NOT targeted at overclockers, what is it's OC potential?

DUDE:

1.You can get it with a cooler or not:
2. there is 3 different types of coolers to meet the TDP.

 

[notb]

DUDE:

1.You can get it with a cooler or not:
2. there is 3 different types of coolers to meet the TDP.

Ad 1. Really? Show me.
Ad 2. I don't understand this at all.

And please don't diffuse the word "dude". You're hurting the language I have been learning for many years and became very fond of.

It's been hours since the press conference and - while the main AMD web page redirects to Ryzen information - new chips are still not mentioned on their product list... :/

 

[deu]

Ad 1. Really? Show me.
Ad 2. I don't understand this at all.

And please don't diffuse the word "dude". You're hurting the language I have been learning for many years and became very fond of.

It's been hours since the press conference and - while the main AMD web page redirects to Ryzen information - new chips are still not mentioned on their product list... :/

1. Well thats easy to argue now when the info at the time was that you could get all with or without cooler. (based of the leaks we are commenting on.)
2. It means that according to the leaks you have to choose from getting a cooler or not in all 3 'cpu-classes' (with cooler matching accordingly)

 

[notb]

1. Well thats easy to argue now when the info at the time was that you could get all with or without cooler. (based of the leaks we are commenting on.)

But we both posted after the launch.
I've even pointed out that AMD has shown the CPUs and there's only a single package version for each one.

The future of "Wraith Max" remains a mystery. The photo available on the web (and discussed here) really looks like a preproduction copy.

2. It means that according to the leaks you have to choose from getting a cooler or not in all 3 'cpu-classes' (with cooler matching accordingly)

Let's just hope leaks about performance were more reliable.

 

[Caring1]

this cooler looks disappointing compared to the once showed on this sheet:

Pretty sure this data sheet is more accurate, and yet they don't show the RGB variant, which has two cable options plus 4 pin PWM for the fan

 

[Shou Miko]

I can see that the 1700X and 1800X comes with no cooler in my country that's the boxed version

 

[DJHeroMasta]

For those of you who are disappointed about the cooler shown, know that it is NOT one of the 3 available stock CPU coolers for Ryzen 5 & 7 CPU's. The new Wraith coolers are RGB. If you look at the new AM4 motherboards you'll see that the higher end boards feature LED connections next to the CPU Fan headers. Here are two of the new RGB Wraith coolers. I believe the third cooler is similar to the round one but taller:

 

[DJHeroMasta]

I can see that the 1700X and 1800X comes with no cooler in my country that's the boxed version

Neither the 1800X or 1700X CPU's come with stock coolers. Currently, the only way to get a cooler bundled with the chip would be to pre-order one. Included in the pre-order is a CPU in retail packaging, along with a high end motherboard, and one of Noctuas CPU Coolers. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe those are either "special" pre-orders or those were the bundles that were exclusively sent to reviewers and such.

 

[notb]

For those of you who are disappointed about the cooler shown, know that it is NOT one of the 3 available stock CPU coolers for Ryzen 5 & 7 CPU's. The new Wraith coolers are RGB. If you look at the new AM4 motherboards you'll see that the higher end boards feature LED connections next to the CPU Fan headers. Here are two of the new RGB Wraith coolers. I believe the third cooler is similar to the round one but taller:

Yeah, these are some very nice renders. Send them to AMD and they might make something similar for AM5.

 

[DJHeroMasta]

Yeah, these are some very nice renders. Send them to AMD and they might make something similar for AM5.

Those are the actual coolers from the last event that AMD just held. Go watch Linus or Austin Evan, the coolers are shown in both of their videos.

 

[notb]

Those are the actual coolers from the last event that AMD just held. Go watch Linus or Austin Evan, the coolers are shown in both of their videos.

The fact that AMD has shown them during their event doesn't have to implicate they'll actually bundle them.
Many "maybes" coming:
- maybe they'll sell them separately?
- maybe the cooler simply wasn't ready (in design or stock volume) and they didn't want to postpone Ryzen launch date?
- maybe they researched the market and decided the demand will be too small?

IMO offering a cooler at launch was an excellent idea (new, backward-incompatible mount) - especially since cooler makers seem to overslept the moment (or maybe AMD didn't send them specifications on purpose?).

By offering a cooler later, they loose quite a bit of income. And if they'd still want to offer boxes both with and without the Wraith Max, it'll have to deliver (and AMD isn't particularly famous for high quality of their coolers).

 

[kruk]

The fact that AMD has shown them during their event doesn't have to implicate they'll actually bundle them.

We will see in 3 days. Meanwhile, enjoy the Wraith cooler in action:

This video doesn't seem to be captured at AMDs event.