First Leaked Benchmarks of AMD's Ryzen 7 2000 Processor

[Ravenas]

Are these results with/without Spectre/Meltdown protection on/off.

I wonder what other "in-house benchmarking" tweaks can be done to the microcode (e.g. skip all housekeeping, reconfigure L1/L2/L3 cache for max single thread performance, later, switch to max multi-thread performance) to improve benchmark scores to get more heat into early PR interest.

A bit like VW diesel engines. Synthetic "monitored" performance radically different to real world on-the-road behaviour?

I'm not knocking this specific CPU, just becoming increasingly cynical about what's going on in the R&D labs.

I think people have become so accustomed to AMD being behind the mark, that when they see something else outside the norm their mind kind of panics.

Secondly... the people arguing at the beginning of this thread about what represents annihilation and what doesn't... I really got a laugh out of that. So thank you.

 

[Patriot]

20K is only 5% more than 19K, that's not what I would call ''annihilation''
Also considering it has 2 more cores ...... yea, not annihilated at all lol

24% ahead in cinebench multi, matches it's ipc in drystone, 15% behind in whetstone

Are these results with/without Spectre/Meltdown protection on/off.

I wonder what other "in-house benchmarking" tweaks can be done to the microcode (e.g. skip all housekeeping, reconfigure L1/L2/L3 cache for max single thread performance, later, switch to max multi-thread performance) to improve benchmark scores to get more heat into early PR interest.

A bit like VW diesel engines. Synthetic "monitored" performance radically different to real world on-the-road behaviour?

I'm not knocking this specific CPU, just becoming increasingly cynical about what's going on in the R&D labs.

We will find out what special settings they used... normally relating to realtime clock and power modes.

As far as meltdown patches... They should disable those as zen is immune to meltdown, also it mainly hurts i/o performance related tasks.
Gaming really doesn't take that much of a hit, other than loading times. Spectre patches are within margin of error for performance impact. (0-1%)

 

[dyonoctis]

Compared to a 7820x it's pretty compeling. The multithread cinebench and the firestrike score are in favor of the 2700x (but still losing in single thread).

https://www.techspot.com/review/1433-intel-core-i9-core-i7-skylake-x/
The memory latency seems similar to skylake-x too. And seeing the 2661mhz memory in AIDA, it might even be faster. IF this is true, then that's a pretty nice cpu to have. Especialy when the 7820x seems to max out at 4,5-4,6 Ghz for most people (according to techspot).
If threadripper is scaling well the HEDT might be very interesting...

(BTW the 7820x is also only 5% faster than a 8700k in firestrike)
https://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu

 

[windwhirl]

I may actually build my first AMD system later this year, if this is true..

 

[ensabrenoir]

....was just about to buy a current gen 8 core Ryzen....so when are these things suppose to hit the market

 

[Xzibit]

....was just about to buy a current gen 8 core Ryzen....so when are these things suppose to hit the market

Q2-2018

AMD will release their second generation of Ryzen CPUs in April, but we’ll get a sneak preview of the new chips at the Game Developers Conference in March, just ahead of launch.

 

[ensabrenoir]

Q2-2018

...thanks somehow i missed that... prob wont make it cause of a sale or craigslist but....let the waiting game begin....

 

[Prima.Vera]

Too bad the mobos are crap for AMD,,,, I would love some more test with this CPU. Also very curious on what Intel is going to bring to the table. Usual 3.5% performace increase over previous gen??

 

[ratirt]

4.4 is not a miracle it was more expected, 4.5 OC which this opens up for is a bit of a surprise and 4.6 OC on the best bins (Not what we'll see a lot of, but TR will probably do it late 2018)
above is speculation but it opens up for it but regardless of the clocks it will still lack in IPC somewhat by some minor amount but a Ryzen at 4.4 ghz with 1-2% less ipc vs 8700K @ 4.7-5ghz is not going to compete in games as usual.

But the surprising thing to me is that Latencies is improved quite a lot and should improve gaming performance a lot more than any other benchmark, with slightly higher than expected clocks and hopefully memory compability should make this launch very interesting indeed.
It will not be playing with an 8700K in games still me thinks, for me good enough.

Well it is a miracle maybe not for me or you but some people here on TPU said that 4.3Ghz for Ryzen is unreachable. That's just to clarify what I meant.
I'm really thinking of buying that CPU. 1080p is nothing for me since I play mostly on higher resolutions. 1440p is the min for me. This CPU has a chance to be great. Who knows maybe till the release it will be clocked bit higher? Either way it is very promising and I think the time to change my old rig is just round the corner In terms of games maybe it depends which titles?
I think with Ryzen+ we see some changes and AMD is catching up good. That's just fantastic.

Too bad the mobos are crap for AMD,,,, I would love some more test with this CPU. Also very curious on what Intel is going to bring to the table. Usual 3.5% performace increase over previous gen??

I don't think AMD mobos are crap. It is a new platform and it has matured a bit lately. 3.5% for Intel. wishful thinking in my opinion

 

[deu]

AMD needs to focus on that because there's many of us who are still playing at 1080p because 4K is still too expensive to adopt.

Im going to recommend you to look at a 1440p screen instead of 4K I would argue that 1440p and geometrical enchancement is the visual advancement that makes sense right now to developers. 4K 144hz is PRETTY far out with NVIDIA stalling next release due to miners and AMDs graphicdivisions being in 'lol-k'-mode. In 3 year; ye 4K might make sense in 3D games too, but for now 1440p is the way to go in shooters and graphicheavy games

 

[phill]

If this is actually true and things get better, I will be skipping the first gen and going straight for the second.. Lets hope it all comes true in the reviews.....

 

[Space Lynx]

Except if the 8700K beat Ryzen by 5%, no one would be saying the Intel chip annihilates the Ryzen chip... Sure AMD's feat to come back from so far behind is unbelievable, doesn't make their chip better. AMD's 5% lead isn't any better than Intel's 5% lead when it comes down to numbers

I bet Intel still wins in min fps for gaming across the board. which is the most important to me for smoother gameplay. :/

 

[dozenfury]

I agree that the annihilate word choice might be a stretch, but the numbers are impressive. And I have to admit I built a 8700K system a few months ago, and while it benches fine for whatever reason the overall feel of it's performance is very sluggish. Many others have reported the same. It's tough to put a finger on since the benches generally do well on my PC. But when it comes to general use it just doesn't quite feel right. And this is with a fast NVMe Windows drive, fast ram, etc. If I hadn't just built one and/or had it to do over I'd definitely take a hard look at the Zen2.

That said, a friend with a Threadripper 1950X has had plenty of his own issues with game performance all over the board. Many games just don't seem to handle the plethora of threads well and run incredibly slow until some are disabled for those games. It seems to happen on more games than it doesn't. A process manager like BitSum Process Lasso is pretty much mandatory with a TR imo, since it makes adjusting affinity and cores to resolve those issues much easier.

Also benchmarks like these with AMD seem to always conveniently leak before release, and the release numbers don't always match the leaked numbers. Not saying AMD is doing it intentionally for marketing, but the pattern has been very consistent over the past few years. So I'd wait for third-party benchmarks before reaching any conclusions.

 

[trparky]

I agree that the annihilate word choice might be a stretch, but the numbers are impressive. And I have to admit I built a 8700K system a few months ago, and while it benches fine for whatever reason the overall feel of it's performance is very sluggish. Many others have reported the same. It's tough to put a finger on since the benches generally do well on my PC. But when it comes to general use it just doesn't quite feel right. And this is with a fast NVMe Windows drive, fast ram, etc.

How is that even possible? The 8700K is the cream of the crop, the best money can buy! How the heck are people like you having those kinds of issues?

 

[kruk]

Here are some further leaks:

https://videocardz.com/75194/amd-ryzen-2000-series-exposed-pricing-performance-leaked

Take with a mountain of salt ...

Important points:
- no 2800X yet, current lineup consists of 8C/16T 2700X, 2700 and 6C/12T 2600X, 2600
- 2700X turbos up to 4.35 GHz, but it has 105 W TDP. This boost also might only be achievable on 400 series boards
- 2700X is on average 5% better than 1800X in gaming (with GTX 1080)
- optimized BIOSes for existing boards are coming in March

Also, higher clocks might be coming in next gen CPUs:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-H...-3000-Globalfoundries-7-nm-Taktraten-1251629/

 

[yeeeeman]

Here are some further leaks:

https://videocardz.com/75194/amd-ryzen-2000-series-exposed-pricing-performance-leaked

Take with a mountain of salt ...

Important points:
- no 2800X yet, current lineup consists of 8C/16T 2700X, 2700 and 6C/12T 2600X, 2600
- 2700X turbos up to 4.35 GHz, but it has 105 W TDP. This boost also might only be achievable on 400 series boards
- 2700X is on average 5% better than 1800X in gaming (with GTX 1080)
- optimized BIOSes for existing boards are coming in March

Also, higher clocks might be coming in next gen CPUs:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-H...-3000-Globalfoundries-7-nm-Taktraten-1251629/

Yeah, I think 2700X looks quite good and it is a best buy at 369$ price. If it can be OCed to 4.5Ghz, then it is going to be snatched by a lot of people. Or maybe the 2700.
Onto the other topic, 7nm. I think GF has a pretty good chance to make great things with 7nm, since they work with Samsung, IBM and people who worked there in the past. AMD, at last, has a great partner in the manufacturing side of things, so if they execute well and bring good IPC improvements with Zen2 - lets say 20% - coupled with more cores, 12/24 cores on a single die, they can do great things and maybe surpass Intel.

 

[trparky]

Also, higher clocks might be coming in next gen CPUs:

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-H...-3000-Globalfoundries-7-nm-Taktraten-1251629/

That might just be what makes me decide to go with AMD Ryzen over the Intel 8700K.

Step 1: Buy a 2000-series Ryzen chip.
Step 2: Wait a year and deal with a year of not-so-great 1080p gaming performance.
Step 3: Buy a 3000-series Ryzen chip when it comes out.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!!!

 

[Xzibit]

They all come with included coolers. How many will buy the 2700 just for the LED and the 2700X for the RGB lights.

 

[ratirt]

That might just be what makes me decide to go with AMD Ryzen over the Intel 8700K.

Step 1: Buy a 2000-series Ryzen chip.
Step 2: Wait a year and deal with a year of not-so-great 1080p gaming performance.
Step 3: Buy a 3000-series Ryzen chip when it comes out.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!!!

Don't exaggerate with Ryzen's 1080p performance that it is not-so-great. It's not best but it is really good. Besides if you go Ryzen + now, you will be able to switch to 3000 series with no problems. Just the CPU nothing more. That is great since you have an upgrade path.

Add on:
I wonder why there is not 2800x? Could it be possible AMD is diching it or they will go with 12 cores maybe? That would be something new.

 

[HTC]

Don't exaggerate with Ryzen's 1080p performance that it is not-so-great. It's not best but it is really good. Besides if you go Ryzen + now, you will be able to switch to 3000 series with no problems. Just the CPU nothing more. That is great since you have an upgrade path.

Add on:
I wonder why there is not 2800x? Could it be possible AMD is diching it or they will go with 12 cores maybe? That would be something new.

One possible explanation is that they are saving the 2800X to replace the 1900X threadripper, thus being for threadripper platform and not AM4.

 

[ratirt]

One possible explanation is that they are saving the 2800X to replace the 1900X threadripper, thus being for threadripper platform and not AM4.

Yeah that's one explanation. I really hope mine will come true. 2800x for AM4 desktop with 12 cores That would be so damn awesome. The other question is if the 2700x reaches 4.3Ghz would that mean the 2800X will be clocked higher? I'd like to see that happen.

 

[phill]

I've changed my mind...

I REALLY bloody want one!!

 

[trparky]

Don't exaggerate with Ryzen's 1080p performance that it is not-so-great.

I'm talking about consistently high frame rates. It was said a year ago that Ryzen suffers from bad 1% lows. Cruising along at 80 FPS and then suddenly having multiple drops to 30 FPS and then back up again is not cool. Intel appears to delivers more consistent frame rates where you don't see that huge bounce (or at least not as many).

 

[ratirt]

I'm talking about consistently high frame rates. It was said a year ago that Ryzen suffers from bad 1% lows. Cruising along at 80 FPS and then suddenly having multiple drops to 30 FPS and then back up again is not cool. Intel appears to delivers more consistent frame rates where you don't see that huge bounce (or at least not as many).

No it doesn't. You are talking about benchmarks from a year ago. Try now Besides there are games that perform better on Ryzen than Intel. Tell me why that happens? Ryzen is a great CPU despite the so called frame dips which now-days are not there. You confuse me man. look at the 1080 performance once again. It is a great CPU not the best but kicking and that's what matters.

BTW: 8700k is not the cream of the crop It's got flaws. Surprised you haven't spotted it yet

 

[wiyosaya]

Maybe innovation and competition are finally returning to the CPU market.