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Intel's Core i7-8700K Generational Successor Could be 8-core

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Lemme quote this one, because i'm really trying to get into your mind


You're saying that a jump from 6-core 14nm cpu to an 8-core 10nm cpu is not sagnificant, and continue to say how amazing the jump from zen 1 to zen 2 is.

How, in your opinion different and significant the experience would be, moving from an 8-core 1700X CPU to an 8-Core "3700X" CPU?
How, in you opinion one from said 1700X to a "4700X" would be?

What are you talking about ? You asked me about 4th gen to 7th gen , both of these sported quad cores for mainstream hence not a very significant jump between the two. What does it have to do with any of that ?

And no , I don't consider Ice Lake a huge step forward either , maybe for Intel themselves it is one but not for the industry and average consumer. A 300$ 8c/16t CPU with more than decent IPC would have been a big step and we already got that from AMD. Intel is late on that front hence I am fairly unimpressed about it.
 
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I thought this was old news. We already knew that 9th Gen Core i7 might be 8c/16t and Z390 was already in the work. I believe previous news also mentioned that only the Z390 would be able to support the 8c/16t parts.
 
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What are you talking about ? You asked me about 4th gen to 7th gen , both of these sported quad cores for mainstream hence not a very significant jump between the two. What does it have to do with any of that ?

And no , I don't consider Ice Lake a huge step forward , maybe for Intel themselves it is one but not for the industry and average consumer. A 300$ 8c/16t CPU with more than decent IPC would have been a big step and we already got that from AMD.

I'm trying to drive a point home, but it seems that getting there gradually won't happen.
The zen gens will provide small and not wholly significant improvements over 3-4 generations, just like intel did with their core family leading to coffee lake.
New memory controller here, a slight OC increase there, some lithography movements here and there. Some very small things to add to the user experience.

Credit goes where it is due, AMD did gave the average user more options now, but where innovation peaks, it slows down a lot for a while.
 
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Infinity fabric isn't too techy to get I thought. A great innovation for the computer world. If Intel had made it first all would appraise them eh? But small AMD cannot innovate some thought and it seems they still resist to admit. :)
 
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I'm trying to drive a point home, but it seems that getting there gradually won't happen.

I don't know what point you are trying to derive or why but I made myself pretty clear.
 

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Z390 may (and should) be able to support Ice Lake based desktop processors, but the roadmap indicates that a 8-core Coffee Lake-S (desktop) part will come first.
 
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If someone want some power-efficient gaming pc it will be more likely Pentium Gold.
 
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^ i would say that the 8100 also falls into this category, as well as 8400 in its own right
 
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Even if Intel had absolutely no clue what AMD was doing with Zen until release day (which I find extremely unlikely), Intel would still have larger multi-core designs in the works. Workstation Xeons have been up over 10 cores for years. Whether Intel DESIGNED new higher-core-count desktop chips in response to Zen isn’t really the question—it’s whether Intel would have RELEASED them when they did if it weren’t for Zen. It’s also possible that Intel would have contingency designs at the ready to avoid another bust like Netburst or to mitigate an issue with a node shrink. Supply issues might tell you if the current lineup was a Plan B.
 
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I would prefer the naming was something like that:
Core i9 8C/16T
Core i8 8C/8T
Core i7 6C/12T
Core i6 6C/6T
Core i5 4C/8T
Core i4 4C/4T
Core i3 2C/4T
Core i2 2C/2T

and as for the numbers #### first two for generation, second two gurantied frequency when all cores+threads are utilized(AVX-512).
 
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Can you say "old news"? This was widely reported when it was actually fresh last year
 
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Good thing we needed to buy these "new" Z370 boards, to be able to support all that extra voltage and current for "future" higher core count CPU's.......
 
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Good thing we needed to buy these "new" Z370 boards,

Didn't expect this comment from someone who buys extremely over-engineered motherboards for ambient cooled CPUs. You didn't "need" to spend those extra 100$ every time, right?
Nobody "needs" anything right now, at least until intel makes it clear.
 
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I would prefer the naming was something like that:
Core i9 8C/16T
Core i8 8C/8T
Core i7 6C/12T
Core i6 6C/6T
Core i5 4C/8T
Core i4 4C/4T
Core i3 2C/4T
Core i2 2C/2T

God please no ! This is absolute horror. At least now there is SOME structure: odd iX numbers for even core counts across the whole range...
 
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God please no ! This is absolute horror. At least now there is SOME structure: odd iX numbers for even core counts across the whole range...

Where is the structure today?
We have Core i7 with 2(4) , 4(8) , 6(12) , 8(16) including laptop CPUs that is...
 
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Didn't expect this comment from someone who buys extremely over-engineered motherboards for ambient cooled CPUs. You didn't "need" to spend those extra 100$ every time, right?
Nobody "needs" anything right now, at least until intel makes it clear.
Thanks for the personal jab, nice touch. I can see you decided to pick just a portion of what I said so you could make your smart ass comment seem more justified. Bravo....

Since you missed what I was actually saying and decided to just tunnel vision, I will explain. Remember when Coffeelake came out, and there was a lot of controversy around why a new chipset was needed for a a CPU in the same 1151 socket. Then ASUS even explained that via BIOS it could work with CPU's available currently on the market on existing platforms (Z270 example), meaning up to 8700K. My point being that with the Z390 coming out now, that will effectively mark the end point of Z370 for new chips. So no, Z370 was NOT needed for the launch CPU's of coffeelake, it was just a "combo" deal, new chip new chipset. Only they are getting super aggressive lately with requiring new chipsets for every launch, when obviously Z270 (and hell Z170) would have sufficed for coffeelake, up to 8700k's.

fin
 
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And if you have already a decent cpu, which drives you for years, what is the point of upgrading to next generation with similar perfomance? The right answer is none!
 
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I hope Intel will soon stop having HT and non-HT versions, they have enough core variations already to diversify the market without disabling HT.

Still we know relatively little about what Ice Lake will bring, but it might be something like this:
- Node shrink (obviously)
- Another bump in core count
- There will probably be improvements to the front end/prefetcher, possibly further extension of the instruction window.
- Cache hierarchy change? Will Intel bring the innovations from Skylake-X to the mainstream?
Skylake-X changed the L2 cache from 256 kB to 1 MB while reducing the L3 cache and making it non-inclusive. The old structure with inclusive L3 included a duplication of L2 cache, effectively wasting a lot of capacity. The cache hierarchy is basically just a streaming buffer for RAM, with most of it being replaced many times every microsecond. The cache may consist of either data or code, data is nearly never shared between cores, so the old cache hierarchy is simply inefficient. Intel probably had to increase the L2 cache to fully saturate the new AVX512 units.
- Ice Lake will add more AVX512 features to HEDT or Xeon versions, but will it bring some of it to the mainstream?
- Hopefully add at least one more ALU, combined with more execution ports.
 
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Thanks for the personal jab, nice touch. I can see you decided to pick just a portion of what I said so you could make your smart ass comment seem more justified. Bravo....

Since you missed what I was actually saying and decided to just tunnel vision, I will explain. Remember when Coffeelake came out, and there was a lot of controversy around why a new chipset was needed for a a CPU in the same 1151 socket. Then ASUS even explained that via BIOS it could work with CPU's available currently on the market on existing platforms (Z270 example), meaning up to 8700K. My point being that with the Z390 coming out now, that will effectively mark the end point of Z370 for new chips. So no, Z370 was NOT needed for the launch CPU's of coffeelake, it was just a "combo" deal, new chip new chipset. Only they are getting super aggressive lately with requiring new chipsets for every launch, when obviously Z270 (and hell Z170) would have sufficed for coffeelake, up to 8700k's.

fin

Just because a few modders could operate entry level CPUs on Z170\270 boards doesnt mean that CFL in its entirety could just hop on and yeepty tooo everything is sunshine and rainbows.
There ARE technical difficulties in operating CPUs that can reach 50%+ power consumption for an array of boards that was not designed to support it.

And yes, what i said is still 100% justified regardless :)
 
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Just because a few modders could operate entry level CPUs on Z170\270 boards doesnt mean that CFL in its entirety could just hop on and yeepty tooo everything is sunshine and rainbows.
There ARE technical difficulties in operating CPUs that can reach 50%+ power consumption for an array of boards that was not designed to support it.

And yes, what i said is still 100% justified regardless :)

Where did I say CFL in it's entirety? I said up to 8700K as far as I can tell..... You are still missing the point, and I will leave it at that. Respond as you must good sir.
 
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8 cores on the small socket, that dosent sound so bad.

Can we then have 8 cores that can oc op to a round 5 ghz.

Maybe 2019 is the yeah to say goodbey to my beloved X58/i7 980X setup cause yeah in 2019 i have been on x58 for 10 great years.

Get a 8 core cpu and second used gtx 1080 ti for sli sounds to my like a nice setup. But as all ways with the small socket i am concerned about how many pci lanes intel will cramp in it or i still will be forced to move to intels big socket platform.

Only time can tell what my move for 2019 will be.
 
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Where is the structure today?
We have Core i7 with 2(4) , 4(8) , 6(12) , 8(16) including laptop CPUs that is...

I know, its ridiculous as it is :)
 
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"Thanks AMD!"

Half of you mouth-breathers won't even use those cores. It reminds me of an old man buying a Corvette to drive it the speed limit. Remember that more cores is more power draw and more heat... it was never the design intent because the typical PC user wants (see: actually needs) low power draw and clock speed.

Also, no, these processors becoming more available to consumers will not lead to video games making use of more threads. If they could, they would-- it's not that simple.
 
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Cool, something they should have done long time ago, and now you need another chipset and motherboard for the new CPU, When the last time that was needed ? oh yeah with the 8th gen CPU's...
 

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"Thanks AMD!"

Half of you mouth-breathers won't even use those cores. It reminds me of an old man buying a Corvette to drive it the speed limit. Remember that more cores is more power draw and more heat... it was never the design intent because the typical PC user wants (see: actually needs) low power draw and clock speed.

Also, no, these processors becoming more available to consumers will not lead to video games making use of more threads. If they could, they would-- it's not that simple.

First of all, "If they could, they would" argument is so funny, my wife is laughing, and she is human science major, so not at all technical person - they can, and they should, they just don't cause it's easier and more convenient. Some game developers do, in fact, use the available multi-thread coding options, and it scales rather well with multi-core/multi-thread processors.

On the other side of the story, for average consumer, this new "trend" on intel side allows average user to buy MUCH cheaper i3, that should now be 4C/8T and have i3 9300(k - hopefully) variant of processor for fraction of the price of new i7, that outperforms (much) more expensive i7 6700k with much less power draw... in theory.

And YES! it is THANKS TO AMD, cause w/o AMD intel would just keep pushing 2C and 4C processors to mainstream with or withought HT for growing prices and not much gain except for 5-10% increased performans between generations.

It's what's happening on GPU market atm where we don't have any clear threat to Nvidia on high-end GPU scale, and less and less on low-mid, so there is no real reason to give better GPUs for lower prices, even though they do work on them, have designs etc.


All of you that say "Ice lake was planned 10 years ago, supposed to be released 3 years ago" and similar theories, while all of that IS true, there is NOTHING that supports the fact that same ice lake CPU could have been released in 2C4T, 4C4T and 4C8T variants instead, plus mobile.
If you see 2 generations behind, i9 7x00 was released for almost triple the price of i7 8700k with higher core count that "regular" i7 7700k, that draws less power, and actually outperforms the said i9 in many cases (even the one with 10C20T) - i think this was actually planned by Intel as super high-end solution for extreme gamers/enthusiasts, before AMD demolished their plans with those of their own. I was hugely surprised by seing that product getting released at a time we knew about new 8700K, I was actually even more surprised that people actually bought them.
2Y later, 1-2 generations later (depending on count of actual generations and filler ones) we have i7 with 8C16T as mainstream for "normal" prices, and possibly 4C8T in form of a (highly probably) cheap i3 for regular games looking for affordable solutions with HUGE leap from their i3 with 2C4T in terms of in-game performanse.

Someone still thinks that intels move has NOTHING to do with AMD? lol, rofl, sure, they thougth of it on their own out of the goodness of their heart.
 
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