TechPowerUp Processor Survey Results: The Ryzen Effect is Real

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Not as useful as you might think and AMD has offerings of similar functionality.

Vendor lock-in extensions are rarely as useful as advertised They're still pretty good at locking people in.

 

[Adam Krazispeed]

I was considering Ryzen but since I got my Skylake for relatively cheap so I decided to stay with it for as long as it can run 1080p60, maybe 4K60 when $250 GPU can run it smoothly

yeah, as long as the older Intel CPU doesn't bottleneck that GPU! prey that doesn't happen!!

 

[junglist724]

Yeah, In the real market the situation looks better.

In the real market people don't buy individual computer parts. mindfactory.de is not representative at all of the majority of PC sales that come from 1st party vendors like dell, hp, lenovo.

 

[SKD007]

I hope it all goes smoothly. What CPUs will you get, and if you don't mind, please explain why you chose them (to save money, need more cores, etc.). I like your attitude, you're pushing for changes in hardware platform and OS/software, with all the potential for problems involved, and you don't seem worried. Personally, I like Win10, and never had a problem with it, once I figured out where they were hiding all the settings. I never had a Ryzen system, so all I know is what I read, but I understand that the initial problems have all been worked out by now. Good luck, let us know how it works out.

At the moment we are looking at tiny with 2200G/2400G and 2700U A485 to replace T470. Tho they say Watts is same, our lab test shows intel taking more powe then AMD and at lower speed our AMD boxes are more attractive as they come with custom radion 580 with 4gb for mid towers. I have all the PPT from Lenovo but not sure if I can share. I will check with rep before I do that.

Not as useful as you might think and AMD has offerings of similar functionality.

My previous company and my new company first thing we did was disableing ME in bios after the latest bios update as we have had incidents and our security team asked us to disable it.

OEMs only look for safety/usability. All the old AMD models did not support some of the key instruction sets and also they were power hungry and slow. After Ryzen, AMD is moving strong. Even Lenovo rep was saying most of the companies are not showing interest in AMD and they are asking for loner laptops and Mini/tiny

 

[R0H1T]

At the moment we are looking at tiny with 2200G/2400G and 2700U A485 to replace T470. Tho they say Watts is same, our lab test shows intel taking more powe then AMD and at lower speed our AMD boxes are more attractive as they come with custom radion 580 with 4gb for mid towers. I have all the PPT from Lenovo but not sure if I can share. I will check with rep before I do that.

You don't have to tbh, just the fact that there's progress on this front is great news. I'm sure lots of AMD supporters, including me, would be appreciative of your efforts in this regard.
Enterprise space is rather cliched & more like an old boy's club tbf changing their ways takes a lot more time than it should.

 

[lexluthermiester]

In the real market people don't buy individual computer parts. mindfactory.de is not representative at all of the majority of PC sales that come from 1st party vendors like dell, hp, lenovo.

That is opinion not supported by real-world fact.

 

[SKD007]

You don't have to tbh, just the fact that there's progress on this front is great news. I'm sure lots of AMD supporters, including me, would be appreciative of your efforts in this regard.
Enterprise space is rather cliched & more like an old boy's club tbf changing their ways takes a lot more time than it should.

One thing I don’t like about OEMs is that they showcase intel and AMD to corporates they just show PC mark and 3D mark benchmark scores and bluntly use 7700 no k no t nothing. I had to drilled down and Then my boss and his boss understand what they are really getting and now they are ready to get what ever I tell them. Server teams don’t even know EPiC and now they are looking at it after I told them about the advantage and how much they save on power.

I hope corporates spend a bit more time in analyzing actual data and get a test system which is supported by OEM than looking at benchmark and deciding which is totally waste of time as their main application/environment is all that matters on any platform.

 

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One thing I don’t like about OEMs is that they showcase intel and AMD to corporates they just show PC mark and 3D mark benchmark scores and bluntly use 7700 no k no t nothing. I had to drilled down and Then my boss and his boss understand what they are really getting and now they are ready to get what ever I tell them. Server teams don’t even know EPiC and now they are looking at it after I told them about the advantage and how much they save on power.

I hope corporates spend a bit more time in analyzing actual data and get a test system which is supported by OEM than looking at benchmark and deciding which is totally waste of time as their main application/environment is all that matters on any platform.

Even if reviewers skim over this, the graphs don't lie: for regular office jobs, Intel is still the better pick. Probably software used in the office doesn't (need to) multithread that well, but whatever the reason, Intel does better in these cases.
Love it or hate it, PC Mark is relevant when choosing a generic PC for the office.

Servers are a different story and I'll admit, Idk how Epyc compares to Xeon.

 

[R0H1T]

Even if reviewers skim over this, the graphs don't lie: for regular office jobs, Intel is still the better pick. Probably software used in the office doesn't (need to) multithread that well, but whatever the reason, Intel does better in these cases.
Love it or hate it, PC Mark is relevant when choosing a generic PC for the office.

Servers are a different story and I'll admit, Idk how Epyc compares to Xeon.

Only marginally though, I doubt anyone who's doing regular office job will notice the difference, or feel the absence of Intel. It's only when you need absolute ST performance that Intel is required atm.
I dunno, I say choose a better browser or even GPU, workstation CPU's are different though where MT scores can be really important.
EPYC compares rather favorably, but enterprise is like a first & you'll all sorts of customers with very different needs.

 

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Marginal, you say? First gen Zen trailed rather significantly. But Zen+ is, indeed doing better in that regard. Unfortunately, only the high-end Zen+ parts are available and that's not what office PCs typically use.
Even so, by this time next year, Zen2 will probably be some really, really bad news for Intel.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's only when you need absolute ST performance that Intel is preferred atm.

Intel's IPC advantage is not a big one and is only "felt" in HEDT offerings.

 

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Intel's IPC advantage is not a big one and is only "felt" in HEDT offerings.

Neah, there is _no_ IPC advantage for Intel. It's in the 3% ballpark, something that only benchmarks can feel. But with identical IPCs, Intel runs at higher frequencies, that's where it gets the better single core performance.
Like I said above, Zen+ runs at higher clocks so it has closed some of that gap and Zen2 is presumably bring a 15% IPC improvement to the table. Interesting time ahead.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Neah, there is _no_ IPC advantage for Intel. It's in the 3% ballpark, something that only benchmarks can feel.

Not based on the benchmarks I've done, it's more like 4%-6% depending on the generation of i7 you test, but that might be splitting hairs.

 

[junglist724]

That is opinion not supported by real-world fact.

https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom...2-percent-in-4q17-and-28-percent-for-the-year
https://venturebeat.com/2018/04/19/...with-2nd-generation-ryzen-desktop-processors/

There you go. HP and Lenovo individually have more market share than every 3rd party vendor combined and in a single quarter they sell 500-600x more complete pcs than mindfactory sells cpus. Only enthusiasts build computers, and enthusiasts are by FAR(several orders of magnitude) the minority of PC owners. No company larger than like 50 people would even consider building custom computers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom...2-percent-in-4q17-and-28-percent-for-the-year

That link contains little more than hear-say and opinion, it does not contain provable fact.

https://venturebeat.com/2018/04/19/...with-2nd-generation-ryzen-desktop-processors/

That link contains info about OEM's compared only to each others OEM business. There no comparisons for the rest of the market, including parts for custom solutions. Additionally, most OEM's offer customization options and therefore play a part in the custom parts distribution chains.

There you go. HP and Lenovo individually have more market share than every 3rd party vendor combined and in a single quarter they sell 500-600x more complete pcs than mindfactory sells cpus. Only enthusiasts build computers, and enthusiasts are by FAR(several orders of magnitude) the minority of PC owners. No company larger than like 50 people would even consider building custom computers.

That statement is an opinion and assumption as vapid as it is baseless. Try harder and use better citations next time.

 

[John Naylor]

The timing has to be taken into effect as AMD users have been a long time waiting and was a lot of pent up demand ... With the release of Ryzen, AMD enjoyed a nice bump but has actually lost market share on both the gaming and overall markets in recent months.

Steam Survey (Gaming) - Intel May = 83.63% / June = 83.74% / July 84.79% ... 1.05% jump in just a month
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

Overall Numbers - Intel Q2 = 79,30% / Q3 = 79.40%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/735904/worldwide-x86-intel-amd-market-share/

 

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The timing has to be taken into effect as AMD users have been a long time waiting and was a lot of pent up demand ... With the release of Ryzen, AMD enjoyed a nice bump but has actually lost market share on both the gaming and overall markets in recent months.

Steam Survey (Gaming) - Intel May = 83.63% / June = 83.74% / July 84.79% ... 1.05% jump in just a month
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/

Overall Numbers - Intel Q2 = 79,30% / Q3 = 79.40%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/735904/worldwide-x86-intel-amd-market-share/

Let it go. Back in the day Pentium4 vastly outsold AthlonXP and Pentium D vastly outsold Athlon64. That's how meaningful this metric is.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Let it go. Back in the day Pentium4 vastly outsold AthlonXP and Pentium D vastly outsold Athlon64. That's how meaningful this metric is.

And at those respective times, both of the AMD offering were the better performers.

 

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And at those respective times, both of the AMD offering were the better performers.

And way cheaper.

 

[HTC]

The "RyZen effect" is indeed real:



You can clearly see that before RyZen, the average core count # was just below 4 and now it's @ 6 for AMD and just a tad below that for Intel. Also, the price per core is much lower on the AMD side VS Intel.

With the advent of Intel's 10nm woes and tight supply of 14nm products, AMD is starting to really cash in @ least @ Mindfactory, where they are outselling Intel both in units AND total revenue:



Full article here and data compiled by this Reddit user.

 

[medi01]

Terrible choice of colors in chart.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Terrible choice of colors in chart.

why? ... Intel is blue and AMD is actually Orange since Ryzen... oh.. readability not logic
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