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Hasn’t EU people been paying such high price for years? (And Australia?). Maybe this is just the new norm now

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there are many sides to the trade/Tariff argument. History offers insight as well as fact/reality, and current economic conditions. I feel in my opinion, that the following is more the reality that you arent allowed to see without Wading through endless liberal/Democrat Rag pieces, of bashing literally anything Trump does, including tariffs. In my opininion, the benefits will far out weigh the bad. No nation can win a war with the US (especially a trade war) & Trump knows this. My only fear in this situation is fighting trade wars with more than one nation, as it looks like we may begin to do. If you take the five minutes to read the piece I put in the spoiler below, you'll see why people like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and others, Republicans as well as Democrats ,have so much motivation to fight for government positions of power. Sadly a lot of their motivation has very little to do with what's going on inside the United States and often ,has a lot to do with making money outside of it, by offering "easy" access to sell inside of it, cheaply. The more you learn about the facts, the easier it becomes to realize why so many are trying to scare the public off the idea of change. Everybody makes mistakes, and I don't think Donald Trump is immune to making them either, nor do I believe everything he does is perfect, but I do believe its time for a change, & i do believe his motives are good.

Supporters of the global free-trade regime that has been built up over the past 25 years like to think of themselves as capitalists. Benevolent capitalists, perhaps — ones who have only the interests of the world’s poorest workers and their own nations’ least wealthy consumers at heart — but capitalists nonetheless. So why is the biggest beneficiary of their world order in fact the last of the great, deadly serious Communist states — the People’s Republic of China?


Trump’s tariffs, far from being the end of the liberal economic order, may be the one thing that can save it. That order, after all, to an embarrassing degree depends upon America’s dominant position in the world. After the second world war, America helped to rebuild the industrial economies of friends and former foes alike. Even as American goods flooded Europe — or at least those corners of the Continent that could afford them — Washington dedicated extraordinary quantities of taxpayers’ dollars to other countries’ needs. The Marshall Plan was only a fraction of the real cost, which included above all the military support that America supplied. Building a welfare state is much easier when someone else is picking up your national defence tab. American motives were not entirely altruistic, but it was a good deal for Europe, and East Asian allies too.


By the 1980s, though, the system started to crack. American industry had been so far ahead for so long, and had grown so large and so lazy, that it began to lose its competitive edge. Japan and Germany, the old foes who were the greatest beneficiaries of the American order, continued to rely on Washington’s defence largesse even as they began to compete as peers — or more than peers — with American industry. Washington itself, meanwhile, seeing the benighted state of many domestic manufacturers, decided that a dose of international competition was the cure. China took note. So did American firms that decided they could maximise their shareholder revenue and their executives’ compensation by dismantling their own production chains: they could lay off an expensive American workforce and hire a cheaper one in Mexico or Asia; and they could outsource the components of their products — cell phones, computers, cars, even fighter jets — to specialist manufacturers in countries whose governments and business elites jointly put a priority on the most high-value and technical kinds of manufacturing. While the American business elite fascinated itself with chatter about brands and intellectual property and making products cheaper all the time, savvier countries focused on being able to do the making best. Meanwhile, US taxpayers continued to be on the hook for Cold War allies’ defence, even though the world economic conditions and domestic industrial advantages that had allowed America to be so generous had long since evaporated.


No one can blame Europe or Japan for taking advantage of a system that lets them have it both ways for as long as it lasts: a system that lets them shift the burden of defence — any state’s first imperative — on to a friendly hegemon, even while working assiduously to tear apart the hegemon’s industry.


The present broken world economic system will continue to empower China relative to the US for as long as China lets it run. President Xi Jinping would be happy to see it run forever — or at least until it reveals that America is no longer strong enough to be plausible as even a nostalgic hegemon. At that point, China will have won a world war without firing a shot.


The tariffs shock American elites because they show that Trump does not believe in the myth of infinite American power — so vast that the moment of supremacy after the second world war need never end — and they endanger the elite’s scam of getting rich off chopping up and selling American industry. European leaders are shocked that their free ride might come to an end: they cannot continue to receive a subsidy from Washington — in the form of defence — while they chip away at the American economy that makes the subsidy possible. And China is shocked that the self-liquidating superpower of the West might not be so self-liquidating after all.


Trump’s instincts are correct. No major country on earth can successfully retaliate against America in a trade war, for the simple reason that America has trade deficits with them all. America has proven more than once that its large and rich internal market can support itself, and if consumer prices rise, there is a point up to which a marginally more expensive flat-screen TV is worth the higher price in exchange for more Americans making those TVs in the first place. The calculation isn’t simply an economic one, but a strategic one too. Steel is a place to start because it shows in clear terms how the entire global economic scam works. China subsidises its industry and produces so much steel that the world price falls. This is uneconomical, but strategically smart. Allies of the US lower prices accordingly — sometimes they have their own elaborate forms of indirect protection, and sometimes they simply re-import Chinese steel — and the US steel industry, once the world’s leader, shrinks. American industries that depend on steel then come to depend more on imports, and ultimately on the Chinese subsidy for the global market. When American steel production has been weakened enough — it’s not an industry that can be rebuilt in a day — China can cut its subsidies, watch prices rise, and gain tremendous leverage over everyone who needs steel, including the steel-using industries of what was once the world’s sole superpower, the United States: no longer a nation of power producers, but one of dependent consumers.
 
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Tariffs are collected by the federal government and go into the federal coffers. Like most taxes, it doesn't have a predetermined use that it's guaranteed for when collected. It just goes into the pool that is the US Treasury and gets spent paying federal debts.
Poof! where did it go and what do we gain, just a tax on the people.
 
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Glad I got my seasonic PSU last year :D

Yep. Got mine in 2016. Seasonic X Series 850W KM3 brand new from newegg for $72 shipped to my door.
 

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Poof! where did it go and what do we gain, just a tax on the people.
Department of Defense, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, agriculture subsidies to offset the impact of China's retaliatory tariffs, etc. The federal government is a multi-trillion dollar enterprise.

All taxes of every kind ultimately affect people. Types of taxes matter. Duty taxes (which tariffs are part of) were authorized in the original language of the US constitution. The government today is mostly funded by income taxes which it had no authorization to levee until the 16th amendment ratified in 1913. The motivation for that amendment was to pay for the debts incurred by the bloated, post-Civil War federal government. Trump is actually getting back to the basics and those basics include economic protectionism. Every country on earth has a duty to protect their own industry from outside pressures, especially of the unfair (foreign government subsidized) variety.


On topic: I always thought Seasonic was cheap for the quality they offered. Now we know why: manufactured in China.
 
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I think it is ironic that these price increase are a direct response to new import tariffs, which were put in place to try to get manufacturing moved away from China, and none of the options you came up with actually includes move manufacturing away from China.:laugh:
Maybe because the reasons(plural) are not relevant? Costs of manufacturing have always gone up, just like costs of living. I would rather have a high quality product cost a bit more than have rock bottom prices and lower quality with it.

Let's keep the politics out of the discussion. This is a tech thread.
 
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Department of Defense, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, agriculture subsidies to offset the impact of China's retaliatory tariffs, etc. The federal government is a multi-trillion dollar enterprise.

All taxes of every kind ultimately affect people. Types of taxes matter. Duty taxes (which tariffs are part of) were authorized in the original language of the US constitution. The government today is mostly funded by income taxes which it had no authorization to levee until the 16th amendment ratified in 1913. The motivation for that amendment was to pay for the debts incurred by the bloated, post-Civil War federal government. Trump is actually getting back to the basics and those basics include economic protectionism. Every country on earth has a duty to protect their own industry from outside pressures, especially of the unfair (foreign government subsidized) variety.


On topic: I always thought Seasonic was cheap for the quality they offered. Now we know why: manufactured in China.

Soybeans & Corn are both heavily subsidized by the US government and are two of our top 3 food exports. Every year the US spends around $1.5 Billion on Soy subsidies alone. Guess who we export a lot of that soy to?

US spends even more on corn subsidies, around $6 Billion a year.

These Tariffs, like the tax cuts, seemingly haven't done anything to improve life the majority of US citizens, and it certainly doesn't help US manufacturing when you put tariff's on raw goods(Chinese & German steel, Canadian Aluminium).
 

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Unemployment is at 3.7%. It has never been this low in the history of the US.

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China has few American imports they can impose tariffs whereas this is just the tip of the iceberg for the US when it comes to Chinese imports. China has everything to lose here and they have to have US consumers buy their products to keep food on their table.

I live in farm country, I watched farmer's crops sit in the fields and rot this year. So you try telling that BS to the soybean and corn farmers.

Maybe because the reasons(plural) are not relevant? Costs of manufacturing have always gone up, just like costs of living. I would rather have a high quality product cost a bit more than have rock bottom prices and lower quality with it.

Let's keep the politics out of the discussion. This is a tech thread.

Except politics have everything to do with this thread. The prices aren't going up because of any other reason other than political motivated tariffs.
 
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Soybeans & Corn are both heavily subsidized by the US government and are two of our top 3 food exports. Every year the US spends around $1.5 Billion on Soy subsidies alone. Guess who we export a lot of that soy to?

US spends even more on corn subsidies, around $6 Billion a year.

These Tariffs, like the tax cuts, seemingly haven't done anything to improve life the majority of US citizens, and it certainly doesn't help US manufacturing when you put tariff's on raw goods(Chinese & German steel, Canadian Aluminium).
I replied here under The Lounge because this has nothing to do with SeaSonic/power supplies.
 
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As to say the Tariff's placed on electronic components have nothing to do with this 20% price increase are non-relatable is NUTS! This is purely a tax place on Americans to offset paying for stuff that the administration needs us to pay for and in many cases never things authorized by Congress.

And, heavily subsidized to soybeans & corn is nothing more than welfare (hand-out) to large AGRA to keep them happy.
 
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Costs are going up. They always do. Companies have to make one of two choices;
1. Raise prices
2. Make products of lesser quality.

But in this case, it was done on purpose with the swipe of a pen without an incurred costs having actually occured. If businesses are losing to overseas competition, why am we paying for it ? Seems more logical not to slash corporate taxes by 50% and use that tax cut money to shore up businesses affected by overseas competition. The purpose of tariffs is to offset overseas competition when said industries receive government funding to make their products more competitive over seas. Not so US Corps can make more money by sending US jobs to China.

I love the China is unfair argument ... it's like a my son when he was 5 answered every "Why did you do that" question with "because". It is US Corporate Greed that is solely responsible for the tech boom in China. They built the businesses there, playing a shell game by setting up a "headquarters" in Taiwan who then had everything actually made in "communist china". This was their way of saying "It wasn't me", I bought them from Taiwan who is an ally".

This is no different from the robber barons model of late 1800s / early 1900s whereby even small businesses operated sweat shops with low wages while yielding exorbitant profits. So when a shoemaker left and started his own business doubling or tripling his income while still selling far below the sweatshop product, he was oft met with a beating or an arson. US Corps want the work done there cause it's cheaper... all the rest is just posturing to the base.

But this is the lot we have been dealt, perhaps after today it will change somewhat. Of much more concern is this is just the proverbial shot over the bow. The barrage will come after the holidays when it jumps back to 30%. So I applaud what Seasonic and others are doing here.... I hope all manufacturer's start posting what the tariffs are costing them ... Id love to see it on newegg

Focus Gold Plus - $69.99
Tariff - $10.00 (14.3%)
Sales Taxes - $5.00
Shipping - $0.00
Total cost - $84.99

After a significant period whereby the PC industry suffered from the mining boom, to come out of it and get hit with 30% tariffs is bound to have significant impacts on the tech sector. The mining stuff affected just GFX cards, but this will affect moist everything until when and if US companies shift manufacturing to other low wage locations. This will trickle down to stores, held desks, schools and the entire tech sector.

Scenario 1 - Everybody moves manufacturing to Malaysia, Phillipines, Thailand, wherever. Politicians will go on TV, beat their chests and proclaim "We beat China". Overseas Workers will still get paid a non-liveable wage and no jobs will be brought back to US. Corporate profits will return to normal after write-offs for moving costs and we'll pay for that too.

Scenario 2 - The leaders sit down and say ... OK we both got good play with this story. Now let's sit down and draft up a new agreement. Like NAFTA, it will pretty much keep everything the way it was before. We'll make a few insignificant wording chnanges, adjust a few numbers up / adjust a few numbers down so in the end it's pretty much the same thing. Then we both go on TV and claim victory to our people.
 
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The leaders sit down and say ... OK we both got good play with this story. Now let's sit down and draft up a new agreement. Like NAFTA, it will pretty much keep everything the way it was before. We'll make a few insignificant wording chnanges, adjust a few numbers up / adjust a few numbers down so in the end it's pretty much the same thing. Then we both go on TV and claim victory to our people.
Except you won’t get such an agreement with China like we did with NAFTA. China respects strength, otherwise no talk and you do things their way.
 
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But in this case, it was done on purpose with the swipe of a pen without an incurred costs having actually occured. If businesses are losing to overseas competition, why am we paying for it ? Seems more logical not to slash corporate taxes by 50% and use that tax cut money to shore up businesses affected by overseas competition. The purpose of tariffs is to offset overseas competition when said industries receive government funding to make their products more competitive over seas. Not so US Corps can make more money by sending US jobs to China.

I love the China is unfair argument ... it's like a my son when he was 5 answered every "Why did you do that" question with "because". It is US Corporate Greed that is solely responsible for the tech boom in China. They built the businesses there, playing a shell game by setting up a "headquarters" in Taiwan who then had everything actually made in "communist china". This was their way of saying "It wasn't me", I bought them from Taiwan who is an ally".

This is no different from the robber barons model of late 1800s / early 1900s whereby even small businesses operated sweat shops with low wages while yielding exorbitant profits. So when a shoemaker left and started his own business doubling or tripling his income while still selling far below the sweatshop product, he was oft met with a beating or an arson. US Corps want the work done there cause it's cheaper... all the rest is just posturing to the base.

But this is the lot we have been dealt, perhaps after today it will change somewhat. Of much more concern is this is just the proverbial shot over the bow. The barrage will come after the holidays when it jumps back to 30%. So I applaud what Seasonic and others are doing here.... I hope all manufacturer's start posting what the tariffs are costing them ... Id love to see it on newegg

Focus Gold Plus - $69.99
Tariff - $10.00 (14.3%)
Sales Taxes - $5.00
Shipping - $0.00
Total cost - $84.99

After a significant period whereby the PC industry suffered from the mining boom, to come out of it and get hit with 30% tariffs is bound to have significant impacts on the tech sector. The mining stuff affected just GFX cards, but this will affect moist everything until when and if US companies shift manufacturing to other low wage locations. This will trickle down to stores, held desks, schools and the entire tech sector.

Scenario 1 - Everybody moves manufacturing to Malaysia, Phillipines, Thailand, wherever. Politicians will go on TV, beat their chests and proclaim "We beat China". Overseas Workers will still get paid a non-liveable wage and no jobs will be brought back to US. Corporate profits will return to normal after write-offs for moving costs and we'll pay for that too.

Scenario 2 - The leaders sit down and say ... OK we both got good play with this story. Now let's sit down and draft up a new agreement. Like NAFTA, it will pretty much keep everything the way it was before. We'll make a few insignificant wording chnanges, adjust a few numbers up / adjust a few numbers down so in the end it's pretty much the same thing. Then we both go on TV and claim victory to our people.
Why no rebuke to the miners themselves? After all, it was they who pegged the denominator on the world dollar reserve(10% to be specific). Any value generated from this activity, I leave it up to you;

Mining Cryptocurrency Uses More Energy Than Actual Mining
 
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