NVIDIA Presents the TITAN RTX 24GB Graphics Card at $2,499

[EarthDog]

I'm not convinced that such a thing exists on a product costing $2,500 for the consumer where you're literally paying twice as much for probably 10% bump in performance over what I already consider an egregiously priced product (the 2080 Ti.) How sad is it that you probably could get two 2080 Tis with it's crippled SLI performance which will probably still be better than getting this new GPU.

If you dont need the extra vram for the datasets intended to be crunched, I agree with that sentiment.

That said, can you 'sli' these for compute in the first place? If this is coming from a gaming perspective I also understand the sentiment but believe it to be misplaced considering it isnt intended to be a gaming card first. Nowhere in their PR does it mention gaming. It isnt Geforce.

I cant help the fact that some people look at minivan and want to take it to a track and race.

(Ick, that analogy)

 

[trog100]

anyone that buys one of these just for gaming will have lost the plot... its not their intended purpose..

trog

 

[jabbadap]

If you dont need the extra vram for the datasets intended to be crunched, I agree with that sentiment.

That said, can you 'sli' these for compute in the first place? If this is coming from a gaming perspective I also understand the sentiment but believe it to be misplaced considering it isnt intended to be a gaming card first. Nowhere in their PR does it mention gaming. It isnt Geforce.

I cant help the fact that some people look at minivan and want to take it to a track and race.

(Ick, that analogy)

Uhm nvlink maybe for unified memory. SLI is for the tasks needing graphics output(AFR,SFR,AA). I.e. you can't even enable SLI on gpus that are in compute mode and have ECC enabled.

 

[Eric3988]

You'd have to have more money than brains to buy this hardware in most if not all cases. $2,500 can buy you a very nice complete system from scratch along with a sizable collection of games when purchased on sale. AMD, the ball is in your court, give the world something that can compete with the 2080TI in non RTX applications. The world of GPU sales needn't be in this state forever.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Fact is the card is cheap in prosumer land, and is already infinitely better than any ancient FirePro that is currently on the market.

I'm pretty sure it has this Hawaii card beat:

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/16g...hz-gpu-6x-minidp-stereo-graphics-4096x2160-re

 

[GoldenX]

As a Quadro replacement it's fine (no Quadro drivers?). As a gaming card, it's a joke, worse than previous Titan jokes.

 

[btarunr]

anyone that buys one of these just for gaming will have lost the plot... its not their intended purpose..

trog

It's not compute or pro-graphics either:

• It only has 144 FP64 cores vs. 2560 of its own predecessor, the TITAN V, which is based on the V100 MCM
• It lacks Quadro-like certifications for many Adobe and Autodesk applications (no serious studio would buy this over Quadro RTX 6000 even if the latter costs 2.5x more)
• The only area where it works normally is AI and DLNN networks, but then it has no unique features vs. 2080 Ti, only a slightly higher tensor core count (576 vs. 544). Any AI researcher with natural intelligence would buy two 2080 Ti cards for $2.5k (1088 tensor cores)

This is just an e-penis gaming card so enthusiasts can get that single-digit percentage gain in OC leaderboards over those using 2080 Ti.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Yeah I guess at best it's a Radeon Pro Duo, it exist becuase it can. Although this will sell and that turd didn't.

 

[gamerman]

ROFL

+20% performance over 2080 Ti for +150% price.

 

[Aquinus]

That said, can you 'sli' these for compute in the first place? If this is coming from a gaming perspective I also understand the sentiment but believe it to be misplaced considering it isnt intended to be a gaming card first. Nowhere in their PR does it mention gaming. It isnt Geforce.

That must be why the Vega 64 will probably still have more double-precision compute power?
96 ROPs and 288 TMUs doesn't scream "compute" to me either.

 

[EarthDog]

That must be why the Vega 64 will probably still have more double-precision compute power?
96 ROPs and 288 TMUs doesn't scream "compute" to me either.

What do you want me to say? Nowhere does nvidia say gaming here. It isnt geforce. It's a crossover card that outside of dp performs faster than the last titan for less. There isn't any getting around this I formation.

How people want to twist it is on them.

 

[btarunr]

Ask yourself this. If this wasn't a gaming card, why does it feature the dual-fan cooler from the 2080 Ti and not the leaf-blower cooler from the Quadro RTX 6000? Why does NVIDIA call this the ultimate "PC" card and not the ultimate "Workstation" card? Why does this card disqualify as a compute accelerator for lacking DPFP performance (negligible FP64 cores just so apps don't crash don't count)? Where are the Adobe/Autodesk certifications Quadros have?

NVIDIA deliberately omitted "gaming" from its marketing, and tasked its "pro graphics" division to handle this card's sales, as an elaborate strategy to target just one group of consumers: e-penis seekers or leaderboard toppers, who wouldn't mind spending 2x the price of a 2080 Ti to stay on top of leaderboards. If it called this a "gaming" card, the PC DIY media would have heaped bad press for its atrocious pricing. This is also why after Maxwell, NVIDIA dropped "GeForce" from the TITAN branding. AI researchers would be suckers to buy this card instead of two 2080 Ti.

 

[bajs11]

It is an upgrade in performance though. Its just that price/perf. ratio that people get hung up on. Clearly they are better performing cards.

imo its only natural to compare the upgrade to the RTX cards to the upgrades made in the last two or three generations.
I don't think anyone is complaining about the performance of the cards but the performance gains of the RTX cards are just not big enough compared to the price increase.

In the previous generations you see a cheaper gpu outperforming a higher priced and higher tier GPU of the previous gen:
GTX 970 faster than GTX 780
GTX 1070 in many cases faster than gtx 980Ti and clearly faster than gtx 980
both of the xx70 cards cost much less than the X80/X80ti cards of the previous gen

with Turing you are paying the same or close to the msrps of the previous higher tier cards
with the 2080ti essentially becoming a GTX Titan class card while creating a whole new class of super expensive Titan cards

 

[EarthDog]

I don't think anyone is complaining about the performance of the cards but the performance gains of the RTX cards are just not big enough compared to the price increase.

Agreed.

Price to performance isn't good. At all. We get that (over and over and over). But again, Its a Titan. Nobody expects it to have that. The rest of the line, a different story. A dissapointment on that front for sure. I don't think anyone disagrees with that sentiment...

...preaching to the choir... etc.

Ask yourself this. If this wasn't a gaming card, why does it feature the dual-fan cooler from the 2080 Ti and not the leaf-blower cooler from the Quadro RTX 6000? Why does NVIDIA call this the ultimate "PC" card and not the ultimate "Workstation" card? Why does this card disqualify as a compute accelerator for lacking DPFP performance (negligible FP64 cores just so apps don't crash don't count)? Where are the Adobe/Autodesk certifications Quadros have?

NVIDIA deliberately omitted "gaming" from its marketing, and tasked its "pro graphics" division to handle this card's sales, as an elaborate strategy to target just one group of consumers: e-penis seekers or leaderboard toppers, who wouldn't mind spending 2x the price of a 2080 Ti to stay on top of leaderboards. If it called this a "gaming" card, the PC DIY media would have heaped bad press for its atrocious pricing. This is also why after Maxwell, NVIDIA dropped "GeForce" from the TITAN branding. AI researchers would be suckers to buy this card instead of two 2080 Ti.

What? Workstation level cards don't need cooled too? That is a peculiar talking point...Are there any NVIDIA branded blower RTX cards or all AICs?

RE: The second paragraph, that is your opinion on it and I respect that. We disagree (except your last sentence that is the better 'deal' but only for DP uses). It is just that simple.

 

[bajs11]

or i can see this kind of debates a bit similar to political and religious debates
nobody is absolutely right everyone has their own opinions and interpretations
I am sure there are those who are absolutely stoked on the rtx cards, remember that "just buy it" article?

 

[Ubersonic]

So basically what we have established over the course of this thread is that, it costs ~2.5 the price of the 2080ti which will perform no different (to human perception) in games, and it is ~£400 cheaper than the Titan-V albiet with only 10% of the compute performance.

So in essence it isn't aimed at gamers like the Titan/Titan Black/Titan X cards were or at professionals like the Titan V is. It's aimed at people with lots of money who want something that exists purely to show off how much money they have. Meh, could get a 2080ti gold plated for less xD

 

[EarthDog]

1. It costs 2x, not 2.5x (that would $3K)
2. It is rumored to have 15% gains just by hardware according to Anandtech. Assuming that is true, 15% is pretty noticeable... in fact that difference is close to an entire tier of card. But gaming isn't its primary function anyway.
3. Its a crossover card and helps (heh) with market segmentation.

 

[medi01]

Oh boy I enjoy this trend so much.
And with AMD not even trying to go beyond 2070, it will only get better.
/grins

 

[trog100]

we will see when someone gets their hand on one.. but gaming wise i cant see 15 %..

trog

 

[EarthDog]

Me either... even if its 10% that is still a difference in a tier of cards. 5%... that will be disappointing for those who choose to game on these as a primary use.

 

[GoldenX]

What? Workstation level cards don't need cooled too? That is a peculiar talking point...Are there any NVIDIA branded blower RTX cards or all AICs?

True workstation card don't try to be "gamer silent".

 

[Dr_b_]

The market can't self-regulate Monopolies or Oligopolies than conspire to price fix.

While true that self regulating doesn't prevent that, price fixing doesn't apply to nVidia, they are not colluding with a competitor, they are price setting because there is no competition at that level for that unique product. nVidia also sells 1060's and even lower models that cost a fraction of T-ReX.

They also aren't a monopoly, AMD does indeed sell GPU's, albeit of lesser performance at least at this time to nVidias top offering, and so does intel (iGPU). Because you can't afford the nicer product, that does not mean a company should be forced to sell it a lower cost, or as some have suggested "broken up".

We need regulation, but you really don't want to live in a country where the government forces price structure on companies

 

[Aquinus]

What do you want me to say? Nowhere does nvidia say gaming here. It isnt geforce. It's a crossover card that outside of dp performs faster than the last titan for less. There isn't any getting around this I formation.

How people want to twist it is on them.

That's more of a technicality than anything else. It looks, feels, and tastes like all of the other RTX chips. The only difference is that you're paying a "professional" price. You don't need to say it's for gaming or not. There is such thing as reading between the lines (the ROP and TMU counts plus crap DP performance should be a dead giveaway.) @btarunr is right, any person doing AI or processing large amounts of data with HPC hardware would be a fool to not spend the same money on two 2080 Tis instead if you need nVidia for CUDA or something. What nVidia has done is nothing more than wordplay, because you know, actions speak louder than words.

 

[efikkan]

True workstation card don't try to be "gamer silent".

Well, gaming PCs are usually the ones not being silent.
Workstations are for the most part relatively silent, at least for an office environment.

 

[trog100]

That's more of a technicality than anything else. It looks, feels, and tastes like all of the other RTX chips. The only difference is that you're paying a "professional" price. You don't need to say it's for gaming or not. There is such thing as reading between the lines (the ROP and TMU counts plus crap DP performance should be a dead giveaway.) @btarunr is right, any person doing AI or processing large amounts of data with HPC hardware would be a fool to not spend the same money on two 2080 Tis instead if you need nVidia for CUDA or something. What nVidia has done is nothing more than wordplay, because you know, actions speak louder than words.

that must make a pair of 2080 ti cards good value then.. he he

trog