Intel Challenges AMD to Beat it in "Real World Gaming"

[TheGuruStud]

It still isn't the rule regardless of what AMD ahs now and Sony will bring to the table (in mid 2020+).

Things will change... but people's time tables are off. Again if buying today for a 5 year cycle, I wouldn't get more than 8c/16t...

5 years ago it was a dual core or dual with HT... more than 4 CPU cores I wouldn't call commonplace today either. You'll note that according to steam stats a full 80% of users are on dual or quad core CPUs. 13% are hex, 2% octo. Surely we will see things change over the next few years, but I wouldn't hold my breath, as an average user, that more than 8c/16t will be useful for the majority. Again, AMD and Intel has had Hex's out for almost 8 years already... its going to take more time than most people think, regardless if it is accelerated now.

You got that link with the 2950X and Total War?

Steam is full of noobs and dumb kiddos with crappy laptops. They're not playing modern games. Minecraft, wooooo

 

[EarthDog]

Steam is full of noobs and dumb kiddos with crappy laptops.

Steam is full of a cross section of gamers. Gamers include laptops and desktops, indeed.

 

[Kapone33]

They will... but people's time tables are off. Again if buying today for a 5 year cycle, I wouldn't get more than 8c/16t...

5 years ago it was a dual core or dual with HT... more than 4 CPU cores I wouldn't call commonplace today either. You'll note that according to steam stats a full 80% of users are on dual or quad core CPUs. 13% are hex, 2% octo. Surely we will see things change over the next few years, but I wouldn't hold my breath, as an average user, that more than 8c/16t will be useful for the majority.

You got that link with the 2950X and Total War?

I am not talking about home users and if you think Steam Charts can be trusted understand that I have a dual core laptop, old 990FX system, a HTPC and my smart phone with Steam on them. The other thing with Steam is the addition of Chinese users. Look at the charts for global sales and see that Total War 3 Kingdoms is still in the top 3 even though there are nicer sales on right now. However Iam not thinking of home users but developers, if you think developers are using quad core CPUs to make games that would be incorrect. Have you noticed the trend that new games seem to work better with AM4 chips. Lookup the Hardware unboxed review of the 2950X for the Total War info. I am at work so I can't send you the youtube link.

 

[EarthDog]

ANd people have dual cores at home... and laptops and...............

While clearly it isn't The Gospel, that information is, BY FAR, the best we have to show what people are gaming with it. I also don't see any mobile anything in Steam stats (though I may have missed it).

I don't have time to go look for it... sorry. Maybe later link it up.

 

[Kapone33]

ANd people have dual cores at home... and laptops and...............

While clearly it isn't The Gospel, that information is, BY FAR, the best we have to show what people are gaming with it. I also don't see any mobile anything in Steam stats (though I may have missed it).

I don't have time to go look for it... sorry. Maybe later link it up.

I understand that part of it and you would be somewhat correct. Amazon.com would be a good gauge of who has what and if we could get the sales figures from Newegg and Micro Centre. One thing I do look at though is the number of reviews for a product.

Amazon Best Sellers: Best Computer CPU Processors

Discover the best Computer CPU Processors in Best Sellers. Find the top 100 most popular items in Amazon Computers & Accessories Best Sellers.

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[EarthDog]

Many of the users buying form Amazon, Newegg and MC are in Steam. I already said it isn't the Gospel.

 

[Kapone33]

Many of the users buying form Amazon, Newegg and MC are in Steam. I already said it isn't the Gospel.

Did you look at the number of reviews for each CPU?

 

[EarthDog]

Nope. That doesn't tell me much of anything relevant to this conversation, honestly. What am I missing that I didn't already mention/infer already?

 

[Kapone33]

Nope. That doesn't tell me much of anything relevant to this conversation, honestly. What am I missing that I didn't already mention/infer already?

Other than the 2600 is the top selling CPU on Amazon.com and has 709 reviews and that AMD's 8 core 2700X is 2nd with 642 reviews. Even the 16 core 2950x is in the top 25. AMD is at the heart of gaming right now and them selling the 16 core 3950X for $749 to gamers, tells me that more core utilization is coming sooner rather than later.

 

[EarthDog]

Respectfully, it tells me you're a sucker for marketing and the target demographic.

The FX 8350 is still in there as a top seller.. is THAT a gaming CPU? Its a ridiculous slug in gaming...

Also, look at that list closely...I see mostly 6c and less CPUs in that list. Im certain outside of the 9900Ks and Ryzen 7s, the rest of the lower core count and less expensive CPUs make up what was sold of the flagship models from each company. This also doesn't include the majority of PC owners who buy canned systems too.

How you can make the leap from CPUs sold on Amazon to more core utilization in games is beyond me. Correlation is not causation, remember.

 

[trparky]

If you ask me, it doesn't matter how many cores a processor has beyond a certain point. For most gamers, a six-core/twelve-thread processor is going to be more than enough for some time to come. Right now it comes down to who will provide the best bang for the buck and come July 7th I think things will finally swing AMD's way.

If AMD performance is within spitting distance of Intel performance, nobody but the most hardcore Intel fanbois will buy Intel. Why? Because if one can get performance within three to four percent of Intel at half the cost, people are going to buy AMD. This will force Intel to bring prices down which will spark a price war and in the end, it doesn't matter if AMD or Intel wins; the consumer will win with lower prices.

 

[Kapone33]

Respectfully, it tells me you're a sucker for marketing and the target demographic.

The FX 8350 is still in there as a top seller.. is THAT a gaming CPU? Its a ridiculous slug in gaming...

Also, look at that list closely...I see mostly 6c and less CPUs in that list. Im certain outside of the 9900K and Ryzen 7, the rest of the lower core count and less expensive CPUs easily make up what was sold of the flagship models from each company.

How you can make the leap from CPUs sold on Amazon to more core utilization in games is beyond me. Correlation is not causation, remember.

The FX8350 may have the perception of being a bad gaming CPU but that is more propoganda than anything else. Having owned for for over 5 years. They game fine and in fact may get better having 8(4) or whatever cores with time. One thing I have noticed is that where I live serious users use Newegg and newbs use Amazon. Every 8 core AM4 is in the top 25. I am deducing based on all of the news that has been generated lately and reviews of new games plus the amount of reviews.

 

[trparky]

newbs use Amazon

Wait. What? Excuse me, I have two words for you... Amazon Prime along with free two-day shipping.

As for NewEgg, unless you want to pay up you're going to have to wait for the slow boat to deliver your stuff.

 

[Kapone33]

Wait. What? Excuse me, I have two words for you... Amazon Prime along with free two-day shipping.

Yes but you generally get better prices on Newegg in Canada and they have 2 day shipping too. Prime does not just apply to PC parts. I only use Amazon if I want something same day.

 

[EarthDog]

The FX8350 may have the perception of being a bad gaming CPU but that is more propoganda than anything else. Having owned for for over 5 years. They game fine and in fact may get better having 8(4) or whatever cores with time. One thing I have noticed is that where I live serious users use Newegg and newbs use Amazon. Every 8 core AM4 is in the top 25. I am deducing based on all of the news that has been generated lately and reviews of new games plus the amount of reviews.

They game fine... if 'fine gaming' is holding a 300lb weight on your back. It will reach the FPS needed, but has a low glass ceiling on many modern titles at the primary gaming res of 1080p. If you are good with artificially limiting your GPU/FPS, then sure, it games 'fine'. Most people don't want a bottleneck where possible... but to each their own.

I am deducing based on all of the news that has been generated lately and reviews of new games plus the amount of reviews.

Forest through the trees. Forest. Through the trees.

 

[trparky]

Yes but you generally get better prices on Newegg in Canada and they have 2 day shipping too.

Lucky. Here in the US if you want fast shipping... be prepared to pay!!!

YIKES!!!

Or if you're really lucky, live within driving distance of a Microcenter which I do. I live half an hour away by highway from a Microcenter.

 

[EarthDog]

Ahh, the Mayfield Rd(?) MC...been there a few times when I lived in C-town.

 

[trparky]

OK, $2.99 isn't too bad to pay for three-day shipping. Things get a little insane when you start talking about two-day shipping.

Ahh, the Mayfield Rd(?) MC

Yep, that one indeed. Gotta love having a Microcenter nearby.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Lucky. Here in the US if you want fast shipping... be prepared to pay!!!
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YIKES!!!

Or if you're really lucky, live within driving distance of a Microcenter which I do. I live half an hour away by highway from a Microcenter.

Free shoprunner still working at Newegg and I have a microcenter

 

[trparky]

Free shoprunner

How the hell does that work? There's got to be a catch somewhere.

 

[TheGuruStud]

How the hell does that work? There's got to be a catch somewhere.

It was straight free for the longest just running off investor money. They kept renewing accounts automatically lol. I think that finally ran out, but it's free if you have an Amex card.

 

[snakefist]

Regarding the core number... I have just 4/8, but also strong conviction that 8/16 or 12/24 would have the same result (and possibly, 6/12 - I'm NOT thinking here about my 4/8 but on high-core ones comparison). Long time ago, we had tests here, when 4 cores were a luxury, how much they actually mean. Results were that 2nd core means a world, and 3rd is like +20% and 4th meant virtually nothing (except for a specialized software, where all cores were working 100%) - but it was very long ago.

I would like to see something similar, on today's CPUs - now when Intel also 'discovered' that i3 could have 4 true cores and i5 even more, would be nice to see how many the popular games use - for a very long time Intel is a champion because single thread domination - if we have the same, or pure-clock-based results, such a review would show what is 'optimal' number of cores where further ones means a little or nothing.

Perhaps the test could be done not only on GTX2080xtxtxt or Titan XXX, but on some more affordable GPU. The usual 'to minimize the GPU influence' somehow means a little to me - what guarantees that 800g card will perform scalable to 300-400g (or less)? While there, we *know* that Ultra setting are just for showing off and difference between Ultra and next-best often can't be noticed, and especially player who don't look at FPS but what actually happens in the game on blind tests haven't noticed at all the difference, or said that next-best have better quality.

Wizzard, please take a note and perhaps do a comprehensive test between CPUs / GPUs and Ultra/next-best... when the new Ryzens come out.