Intel's First 7nm Client Microarchitecture is "Meteor Lake"

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You misunderstood the person you were replying to, he didn't say "AMD 5nm+" to mean that it was AMD's own personal, in-house, 5nm+ node.... He just meant that AMD will be on that node by 2022.


I agree totally, it's especially confusing when they have one name for the chipset/platform and another for the CPU generation, for example, how "Sapphire Rapids" CPU micro architecture will be on the "Eagle Stream" platform which will be followed by "Granite Rapids" and preceeded by "Tiger lake" who had an additional successor to "Sapphire Rapids" called "Alder lake"...... Then there are the "non-lakes" like "Basin Falls" which i think was the name for the 7000 series HEDT CPUs, e.g. I9-7980xe

I think they're burying their own greatness in nonsense, given some time they are making themselves irrelevant, in that for years now they say so and so will be shipped on mass by a date that crept ever backwards crashing into what comes after to the point that now it's starting to feel like a waste of time listening.

They have way too many different lines and slight deviations that may or just as likely not turn up to actually buy, that I don't now care what they say they will do.
I only care what they're selling now and have actually done.

They couldn't succefully hype me up about anything they do.

They could say they had a quantum processor that does 4x what any CPU and GPU combo can do and some, and I literally wouldn't care, shame they used to excite, now though tut.

 

[Vayra86]

They could say they had a quantum processor that does 4x what any CPU and GPU combo can do and some, and I literally wouldn't care, shame they used to excite, now though tut.

Well... they do and its leading, too. Part courtesy of Dutch research too Pretty amazing stuff they have set up, experiments of the tech working etc.

Quantum Computing - Intel

Discover quantum computing with Intel's innovative technology and labs, advancing computing with qubits and quantum processing for data processing.

www.intel.com

QuTech - Research institute for quantum computing and quantum internet

QuTech is a mission-driven research institute for quantum computing and quantum internet, founded by TNO and TU Delft.

qutech.nl

Its not fast though

Maybe that is Intel's big master plan. First they introduce 'bugs' and security issues with existing hardware, then they feed us bandaids that don't really fix much but do kill performance, and now they proceed with yet another stream of tiny improvements on the ever growing turd and every time just before the finish line, oops postponed or cancelled or 'roadmapped'. The end goal: we get so fed up with binary we will demand the ultra low performance of Quantum...

 

[dicktracy]

Great job mods by showing your bias yet again.

 

[londiste]

it's especially confusing when they have one name for the chipset/platform and another for the CPU generation, for example, how "Sapphire Rapids" CPU micro architecture will be on the "Eagle Stream" platform which will be followed by "Granite Rapids" and preceeded by "Tiger lake" who had an additional successor to "Sapphire Rapids" called "Alder lake"......

Unlike Banded Kestrel, Castle Peak, Colfax, Great Horned Owl, Snowy Owl or Whitehaven?

Generally, codenames themselves are not that important, the SKUs on sale will have different names anyway. If you want to follow the news on in-production and planned hardware, having some idea of the codenames just comes with the territory.

Some of the confusion in Intel lineup is because their server, desktop and mobile architectures do not align. The rest is due to all the 14nm updates they have been doing due to both 10nm being MIA as well as hardware fixes to security issues.
- Server: Skylake > Cascade Lake > Cooper Lake > Ice Lake > Sapphire Rapids > Granite Rapids > Diamond Rapids
- Desktop: Skylake > Kaby Lake > Coffee Lake > Coffee Lake Refresh > Comet Lake > Rocket Lake > Alder Lake > Meteor Lake
- Mobile: Skylake > Kaby Lake > Cannon Lake\Coffee Lake\Whiskey Lake > Ice Lake\Comet Lake > Tiger Lake\Rocket Lake > Alder Lake > Meteor Lake

The core architecture codenames have come into play for two reasons - all the 10nm drama, as well as Intel's apparent plan to do heterogeneous CPUs, where architecture of specific cores becomes important. Before this, code codename is/was usually the same as the CPU one.
- Mainline cores: Skylake > Palm Cove (in Cannon Lake) > Sunny Cove (in Ice Lake) > Willow Cove (Tiger Lake, Sapphire Rapids) > Golden Cove (probably Alder Lake and Granite Rapids), Ocean Cove (probably in Meteor Lake and Diamond Rapids).
There are other cores that are rumored to come into play soon, notably Tremont cores from Atom line into Alder Lake is the most known example.

Caring about Eagle Stream is a niche thing - it is a specific server platform that will be under Sapphire Rapids and Granite Rapids. If I remember correctly - this being a Whitley successor it should be the 2-socket platform.

 

[AsRock]

It's going to crash and burn?

Just as bad as the PS4 AMD\SONY naming, Volcanic Islands.

 

[Tomorrow]

Pretty sure AMD has absolutely no interest in coming back to foundries especially considering how GlobalFoundries are doing these days. Even more so when we talk about cutting edge nodes. TSMC, Samsung and Intel are putting over $10 billion into foundry R&D each year.

???

5nm+ refers to TSMC's custom node for AMD in this context. I don't know where you got the idea to bring up GF.

Intel has said 7nm has planned density twice of their 10nm. Their 10nm is about the same density as TSMC's N7. TSMC's N5 is estimated about twice the density of N7.
This puts Intel's 7nm and TSMC's N5 very close to one another in terms of density and due to physical characteristics, also in terms of voltage and power.

Im not so sure. Intel had to increase the pitch size to make their 10nm production viable. Besides it literally does not matter how dense Intel's node supposedly is if they can't produce it in volume. Something TSMC does not have a problem with. So even if Intel's 10nm is as dense as TSMC's 7nm the fact remains that TSMC has products in all segments: supercomputers, servers, desktop and mobile. Intel's 10nm is only in mobile thus far and even there it's nothing great.

 

[londiste]

Im not so sure. Intel had to increase the pitch size to make their 10nm production viable. Besides it literally does not matter how dense Intel's node supposedly is if they can't produce it in volume. Something TSMC does not have a problem with. So even if Intel's 10nm is as dense as TSMC's 7nm the fact remains that TSMC has products in all segments: supercomputers, servers, desktop and mobile. Intel's 10nm is only in mobile thus far and even there it's nothing great.

We do not know all too well, really. Intel states the same ~100MTr/mm^2 as TSMC does for the process. For both, this is with a high density library - for mobile SoCs and whatnot. Anything in desktop CPU space is definitely with a high performance library that is usually 30% less dense - in this case about 65-60 MTr/mm^2. That should be about where Cannon Lake was. Ice Lake is reported to be less dense but numbers are hard to come by - guesstimates are somewhere in 50-55MTr/mm^2 range.

Edit:
For comparison on TSMC side, Zen2 CCD is 3.9 billion transistors on 74mm^2 - roughly 52MTr/mm^2.

5nm+ refers to TSMC's custom node for AMD in this context. I don't know where you got the idea to bring up GF.

I am willing to bet that is not a thing. This is just clickbait derived from lost in translation. Foundries do work with customers to help them best optimize the production but custom node is not what this "5nm+" is.

 

[IceShroom]

Intel has said 7nm has planned density twice of their 10nm. Their 10nm is about the same density as TSMC's N7. TSMC's N5 is estimated about twice the density of N7.
This puts Intel's 7nm and TSMC's N5 very close to one another in terms of density and due to physical characteristics, also in terms of voltage and power.

That is on paper. What is the real density of intel's 10nm on real product??

 

[londiste]

That is on paper. What is the real density of intel's 10nm on real product??

Exact enough transistor counts are not known for Intel CPUs. Estimates put Cannon Lake to around 60MTr/mm^2 and Ice Lake to around 50MTr/mm^2.

 

[ARF]

Exact enough transistor counts are not known for Intel CPUs. Estimates put Cannon Lake to around 60MTr/mm^2 and Ice Lake to around 50MTr/mm^2.

300 million 10nm transistors
Coffee Lake is estimated to house 217 million 14nm transistors per core and Keller has stated that Ice Lake contains 300 million 10nm transistors.

Intel’s next-gen CPU architecture will be “significantly bigger” than Sunny Cove

Jim Keller is touting a performance boost that scales "closer to the linear curve" relative to increases in transistor count

www.pcgamesn.com

Someone to measure the die size - pixels counting or real die size measurement.




Source: Google.

 

[IceShroom]

Exact enough transistor counts are not known for Intel CPUs. Estimates put Cannon Lake to around 60MTr/mm^2 and Ice Lake to around 50MTr/mm^2.

Maybe even less, that is why Intel dont publish it.
Renoir has 62 MT/mm2 and it is a high proformence part.

 

[ARF]

10nm Core i3-8121U is 70 mm^2.

TechInsight dissects and analyzes the Cannon Lake Core i3-8121U

A detail teardown to the silicon level reveals some defining characteristics of Intel's upcoming 10 nm lithography. The new reports will detail how this early Cannon Lake CPU differs from the previous generation of Intel CPUs and how it compares to the 10 nm nodes from Samsung.

www.notebookcheck.net

Intel 10 nm Core i3-8121U Brings 2.7x Transistor Density Over 14nm, Features 100.8 Million Transistors Per Square Millimeter

Intel 10 nm Core i3-8121U Brings 2.7x Transistor Density Over 14nm, Features 100.8 Million Transistors Per Square Millimeter | SegmentNext

With Intel 10 nm CPU designers will have much more room as reportedly the Intel 10 nm Core i3-8121U features 2.7x transistor density over 14 nm.

segmentnext.com

 

[IceShroom]

300 million 10nm transistors
Coffee Lake is estimated to house 217 million 14nm transistors per core and Keller has stated that Ice Lake contains 300 million 10nm transistors.

Intel’s next-gen CPU architecture will be “significantly bigger” than Sunny Cove

Jim Keller is touting a performance boost that scales "closer to the linear curve" relative to increases in transistor count

www.pcgamesn.com

Someone to measure the die size - pixels counting or real die size measurement.




Source: Google.

Those are some assumption on paper not real number.
The only known density 10nm Intel part is Lakefield and it is low power part. It's density is 49MT/mm2.
Lakefield -> 49MT/mm2
Renoir -> 62MT/mm2
A14/S865 -> Defenetly more than Renoir
Kirin 990 5G -> 90.9MT/mm2

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[ARF]

Those are some assumption not real number.
The only known density 10nm Intel part is Lakefield and it is low power part. It's density is 49MT/mm2.

Core i5-L15G7 die size, source?

10nm parts:

Ice Lake Core i7-1068G7
Cannon Lake Core i3-8121U
Lakefield Core i5-L15G7

 

[IceShroom]

Core i5-L15G7 die size, source?

Lakefield - Microarchitectures - Intel - WikiChip

Lakefield (LKF) is a high-performance low-power 3D microarchitecture designed by Intel and introduced in 2019.

en.wikichip.org

 

[londiste]

Lakefield die size source is this:

http://imgur.com/a/RP1JjBj

Any sources for transistor counts?

 

[ARF]

If 10nm Core i3-8121U is 70 mm^2 with 100.8 MTr/mm^2, then its transistor count is 7.056 B transistors.

Intel 10 nm Core i3-8121U Brings 2.7x Transistor Density Over 14nm, Features 100.8 Million Transistors Per Square Millimeter | SegmentNext

With Intel 10 nm CPU designers will have much more room as reportedly the Intel 10 nm Core i3-8121U features 2.7x transistor density over 14 nm.

segmentnext.com

 

[IceShroom]

If 10nm Core i3-8121U is 70 mm^2 with 100.8 MTr/mm^2, then its transistor count is 7.056 B transistors.

Intel 10 nm Core i3-8121U Brings 2.7x Transistor Density Over 14nm, Features 100.8 Million Transistors Per Square Millimeter | SegmentNext

With Intel 10 nm CPU designers will have much more room as reportedly the Intel 10 nm Core i3-8121U features 2.7x transistor density over 14 nm.

segmentnext.com

The site just repeted Intel's marketing slide, not real information for real die and transistor count. There is no real denstiy information about Intel's 10nm besides Lakefield.

 

[tygrus]

The mention of cannons, meteors or craters remind me of disasters waiting to happen. Will they FAB plans crash and burn again?

 

[Prima.Vera]

DDR5? PCI-E 4.0 ?? USB 4.0? 16 Cores for the i9 12900K one?
If not... DOA.

 

[Metroid]

Here is hoping we will not wait thousands of years for the meteor to come to earth hehe, maybe intel intended to name meteor for the sake we will never see it to come to earth? and funny here I was hoping intel would deliver this time hehe

I guess we could say 10nm 2013 was the real meteor lake hehe, we are in 2020 and we are still waiting it hehe

 

[asher2420]

2022 it will be one player only.. AMD
AMD 5nm+
DDR5
PCi-eX 5

lmao
you obviously have no idea what is Intel and how much resources it has.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

DDR5? PCI-E 4.0 ?? USB 4.0? 16 Cores for the i9 12900K one?
If not... DOA.

14nm++
Intel Rocket Lake (H5 LGA 1200 socket PCIe 4.0 "8 Cores"

10nm+++
Intel Alder Lake (H6 LGA 1700 socket PCIe 4.0 "16 Cores" big.Little

7nm+
Intel Meteor Lake (H6 LGA 1700 socket PCIe 5.0

Intel H6 LGA 1700 socket will have PCIe 5.0 ready DDR5 and USB-4 and all the other goodies.... Like WiFi-6E 5G ........

Intel Meteor Lake will double Sky Lake IPC performance.