Intel Confirms Rocket Lake-S Features Cypress Cove with Double-Digit IPC Increase

[dicktracy]

AMD's reign as "fastest gaming CPU" will only last for a few months lol.

 

[Turmania]

i have already waited so long for a major PC upgrade, can't wait for you Intel sorry. Ryzen 5600X fo me!

Wait for the ryzen 6xxxx series, next year. 5nm process , new socket. Why buy a dead end socket? Naah just buy it now. Or whats next around the corner never stops.

 

[sepheronx]

For what exactly? No consumer is going to gain anything from that. Might be good for a very limited amount of users that wants to build a cheap workstation.

Fingers crossed that MSI has done the right design then. Not sure I know anyone that works there any more.

I would hope if they promise it on their board.

Then again, I've been disappointed before.

 

[Tomgang]

Come on Intel. Get back in the fight. At this rate, Intel will struggle in 2021.

Still 14nm and on top of that back to max 8 cores and even throw its now only 8 cores. Power stages is still 125 watt and 250 watt. So less cores and same power efficiency and that is not positive meant.

Yeah I think my mind is ready to chose cpu for my new system. Ryzen 9 5950X here I come.

 

[Turmania]

Forgetting about the cpu being behind ryzen now and consuming a lot more power. This constant socket change for motherboard is just crazy by Intel.

 

[Object55]

Who's Intel ?

 

[dragontamer5788]

For what exactly? No consumer is going to gain anything from that. Might be good for a very limited amount of users that wants to build a cheap workstation.

Pretty much every application based on Intel MKL sees benefits from AVX512. This includes a fair number of engineering tools: Matlab, Ansys FLUENT, LTSpice, etc. etc. A large number of physics problems are just large-scale matrix multiplications. In these cases, AVX512 is as good, or even better, than more cores.

Graphics are also well accelerated with AVX512, but to a lesser extent. Graphics benefits from 'more cores' it seems, but AVX512 helps close the core-count gap between AMD and Intel. A large number of 3d modelers are based on Intel's Embree software raytracer, which is of course AVX512 optimized. Corona Renderer (3d Studio Max / Cinema 4D) uses Embree, probably a few others.

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Of course, the big guns are Adobe products: Photoshop, Premier, After Effects, etc. etc. All of them are AVX512 optimized (but like other graphics programs: more cores often help). The main advantage to AVX512 in this case is single-threaded performance, which is still the dominant factor for previews and live-rendering. Offline rendering benefits from higher core-counts of course, but the user-experience is felt by speedy single-threaded results.

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[TheLostSwede]

Pretty much every application based on Intel MKL sees benefits from AVX512. This includes a fair number of engineering tools: Matlab, Ansys FLUENT, LTSpice, etc. etc. A large number of physics problems are just large-scale matrix multiplications. In these cases, AVX512 is as good, or even better, than more cores.

Graphics are also well accelerated with AVX512, but to a lesser extent. Graphics benefits from 'more cores' it seems, but AVX512 helps close the core-count gap between AMD and Intel. A large number of 3d modelers are based on Intel's Embree software raytracer, which is of course AVX512 optimized. Corona Renderer (3d Studio Max / Cinema 4D) uses Embree, probably a few others.

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Of course, the big guns are Adobe products: Photoshop, Premier, After Effects, etc. etc. All of them are AVX512 optimized (but like other graphics programs: more cores often help). The main advantage to AVX512 in this case is single-threaded performance, which is still the dominant factor for previews and live-rendering. Offline rendering benefits from higher core-counts of course, but the user-experience is felt by speedy single-threaded results.

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Sure, core-counts help a lot. But those 8-core i9 systems with AVX512 keep up with processors much larger than it.

So as I said, for workstations. I don't see many consumers using anything in those examples apart from maybe the consumer versions of Adobe's software, although I presume that lacks some of the acceleration features of the pro versions. Most "normal" office users wouldn't take advantage of it either, so it's still a fairly niche feature, which also clearly then is available in the current chips from Intel.

AV1 encoding on the other hand is a first afaik and not something any other CPU/GPU/SoC has to date, although I guess it's possible the 6000-series has, but Nvidia didn't implement it. Yes, so far it's going to be a niche feature too, but I can see it being much more popular with consumers and many professionals than AVX512.

 

[dragontamer5788]

So as I said, for workstations. I don't see many consumers using anything in those examples apart from maybe the consumer versions of Adobe's software, although I presume that lacks some of the acceleration features of the pro versions. Most "normal" office users wouldn't take advantage of it either, so it's still a fairly niche feature, which also clearly then is available in the current chips from Intel.

AV1 encoding on the other hand is a first afaik and not something any other CPU/GPU/SoC has to date.

I mean... you don't need a 16-core Ryzen 9 to watch Youtube either. Those cores are most likely to be used in a large-scale matrix multiplication routine from Matlab, or Photoshop kernels, or whatever... just like AVX512.

I'm finding it curious that you think that AV1 encoding is a consumer task, but don't consider Photoshop / Premier / LTSpice / Matlab to be consumer.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I mean... you don't need a 16-core Ryzen 9 to watch Youtube either. Those cores are most likely to be used in a large-scale matrix multiplication routine from Matlab, or Photoshop kernels, or whatever... just like AVX512.

I'm curious that you find AV1 encoding to be a consumer task, but don't consider Photoshop / Premier / LTSpice / Matlab to be consumer.

Hence why I didn't buy one

I think a lot more people are doing video encoding, but I guess they might be doing it on their phones, rather than their computer, which imho is madness. Then again, a lot of people don't seem to bother with having a computer and live on their phones instead. I don't understand how you do anything productive on a phone, as there are so many limitations. I guess it comes down to what you're used to, but I prefer a large screen, a mouse and a keyboard when I'm doing work. Notebook for travel and phone for quick emails and taking some snaps/video.

AV1 is supposedly the next big thing in video codecs though and someone has to provide hardware that allows anyone to encode using, rather than requiring a dedicated hardware encoder or a server farm. I believe it'll be another 3-5 years until we see it phones outside of maybe the odd flagship model.

 

[coozie78]

Am I the only one to spot the sting in the tail of this piece?
" This indicates that the new Cypress Cove design runs hotter than the previous generation. "
Surely the last thing Intel needs to release is a 8C/16T CPU that runs even hotter than the part/s it will replace, especially given the
leaps in efficiency AMD are claiming for Zen 3?

 

[Ashtr1x]

8C max beating a 10C Cometlake ? I think that's something very big. Less cores and more perf. This time Z590 has more lanes to chipset too, it's still PCIe 3.0 but it's X8 I guess instead of X4. So more lanes, a.k.a X570 parity. Nothing more nothing less which is shame. Anyways I'm looking forward for this, Z590 vs X570 & winner will be the ultimate DDR4 platform. And paired with 3080Ti will last for many years and probably Z590 Dark will also be able to run Win7 with ease else Z490 to get and save money. X570 also can run Win7 so that's also cool.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

AMD's reign as "fastest gaming CPU" will only last for a few months lol.

That's when AMD releases a refresh or XT version on a new 7nm EUV node and squeezes another 200-300Mhz/10% performance increase out of it to ensure dominance. There's a reason why AMD went with the same 7nm node as Zen2, so they could make more money now, and have added performance later by refreshing to the improved 7nm node.

Besides, even if Intel takes performance crown, it'll be with double the power and heat. And let's not forget, "double digit" could, and probably does mean 10%...if it was approaching the 19%+ of Zen3, Intel would be shouting that from the rooftops. So a 10% IPC increase from Intel would at best bring them to parity with Zen3.

Regardless, after this, Intel will be on 10nm, which is equivalent to TSMC 7nm, while Zen4 will be on 5nm. People "in the know" have said Intel doesn't pose a threat to AMD until 2022 at the earliest, and that seems correct to me. It'd be nicer if Intel could compete sooner for the sake of driving prices down, but I just don't see it happening.

 

[Turmania]

I dont see I3 from that picture. Is the I5 new I3?

 

[efikkan]

I dont see I3 from that picture. Is the I5 new I3?

The 11th gen i3 might be based on Comet Lake.

 

[ddarko]

It has one selling point as far as I can see, AV1 hardware encoder.

It's a mistake in the slide, AV1 is decode only per Intel rep on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/jkapv5/_/gahs822

 

[TheLostSwede]

It's a mistake in the slide, AV1 is decode only per Intel rep on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/jkapv5/_/gahs822

That's a pretty bad screwup that should've been caught... Oh well, that makes it even less interesting I guess...

 

[mechtech]

 

[bug]

What can I say, these slides are much, much better than the slides Intel presented before.
AMD must be terrified lagging so much in the slides department, having to survive on physical goods sales.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Hopefully Intel can maintain their frequency with their Ipc gain , not sure 8 core's will do it for some though.

 

[tabascosauz]

I will say, if this is the way Intel is moving forward with its marketing materials (though this isn't the actual launch, obviously), it might be a small step back in the right direction and return to a more professional form (think Ivy Bridge and Haswell release). Getting real tired of being bombarded with slide after slide of AVX512 benchmarks that are incongruous even with the REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE bold text on the same slide, dubious Intel-sponsored benchmarking companies, all wrapped up with half a dozen slides about PUBG.

Hopefully the launch is equally short, detailed, to the point. Bringing on Ryan Shrout shaped Intel's marketing dept into 2 years' worth of wannabe-gamer-chic public embarrassment.

 

[Nater]

My gut tells me these will be delayed. Happily going from Core 2 Quad Q6600 --> less than a few months at i5 2300 --> Ryzen 2600 for a year or so --> 3600X now, to 5900X next month probably. This stuff just isn't worth waiting for. Get the new gear, hock the old for 60-70% of what u paid and MOVE on.

 

[Minus Infinity]

It would need 50% IPC uplift, 30% power decrease, 30% price cut and even then I still wouldn't buy it. They've had their chance, they can suffer for a few more years until they get 7nm desktop CPUs. Cudos to AMD for sticking it right up their clacker. Zen3 here I come.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Double digit IPC means 10% ?? Pfff
Double digit IPC increase and double the power consumption for the top dog. /facepalm

 

[TheLostSwede]

Double digit IPC means 10% ?? Pfff
Double digit IPC increase and double the power consumption for the top dog. /facepalm

C'mon, you know it's 11%, in certain applications, on a Tuesday, when it's not raining.