Need validation this is a legit card

[ThunderSoul]

Hey guys, I'm tots new here but I read stuff on the forum before, especially fake nVidia cards.
Anyway, this isn't an nVidia card. I bought an old AMD HD 6570 off of AliExpress. I got it today and I plug it in. Drivers seem to work fine (got them from AMD website).
I also download GPU-Z to "validate" it, but it shows values that don't match what I expect from research.
For example, it says "series" rather than the actual card, and the GPU says "Whistler" rather than the expected "Turks".
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks!
Memory type is not even Samsung, it's something called "Nanya": https://www.datasheets360.com/part/detail/nt5cb128m16fp-di/7251930131555224175/
Not even sure I'm doing this right.
Performance with UserBenchmark is also poor!!!
What do you think?
Screenshots below!

 

[kayjay010101]

Could you try another benchmark? Something like Unigine Heaven (free)?

 

[lowrider_05]

An 6570 is an pretty old and slow card, i think it is legit and yes the ram could be from different manufacturers thats normal

Edit: after searching the GPU Database, i think they ripped an 7610M https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-hd-7610m.c377 Mobile GPU out and put it on an PCB and edited the Bios a little or its some kind of OEM Variant.

 

[Exceededgoku]

You can find the details here: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-whistler.g103

I would say you've got a mobile GPU, I wouldn't worry too much about the memory config as it'll be to "spec".

Out of interest, how much did you pay? And why did you buy this? It's like the oldest GPU ever...

 

[Jism]

Full pic of the card? You'll see what real chip is there if you remove the GPU cooler and photograph the die.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I would also concur that it's a mobile card, Device ID matches this ……….

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[ThunderSoul]

You can find the details here: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-whistler.g103

I would say you've got a mobile GPU, I wouldn't worry too much about the memory config as it'll be to "spec".

Out of interest, how much did you pay? And why did you buy this? It's like the oldest GPU ever...

I paid $51CAD. I can't use this card if it's not what it says it is, though. It's not fair.

Full pic of the card? You'll see what real chip is there if you remove the GPU cooler and photograph the die.

Looks like they put a "Don't Tear" sticker over the cooler screws to void warranty if you want to check the chip, huh!?

 

[kayjay010101]

Looks like they put a "Don't Tear" sticker over the cooler screws to void warranty if you want to check the chip, huh!?

That thing's been out of warranty for the better part of a decade now...

I paid $51CAD. I can't use this card if it's not what it says it is, though. It's not fair.

You overpaid. I wouldn't even give $10 for this card...

I'd get a return ASAP and pick up pretty much anything else

 

[Flaky]

What do you think?

Ask Sapphire if these specs match the SKU/PN.
Low-end gpus are often a mess and one model name may share many different chips.

 

[ThunderSoul]

That thing's been out of warranty for the better part of a decade now...

Haha! I meant the store's warranty where I bought it from...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Haha! I meant the store's warranty where I bought it from...

Yeah, you got jacked over. Get a refund if you can and if they want it back tell them they are paying return shipping because they sold you a card under false information.

 

[Jism]

Get the cooler off and clean the GPU ?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Get the cooler off and clean the GPU ?

Not if they want a refund.

 

[silentbogo]

I paid $51CAD. I can't use this card if it's not what it says it is, though. It's not fair.

The card is exactly what it is. Nanya used to be big in OEM space, but sold their memory business to Micron. GPU is legit. Pin-wise it's cross-compatible with some other 40nm AMD GPUs, which means this can be one of the "green" or "low-power" cards designed specifically for chinese market, where they've stuck a laptop GPU with DDR3 on a regular PCIe card off a generic HD6570. I've only done the opposite, of transplanting a desktop HD6000-series GPU to a laptop, which also works in some cases (after jumping through hoops w/ vBIOS).
The thing is, those cards were awful all the way across the board. All the way up to HD6770 they were unbearable in gaming or 3D CAD applications (or anything at all, for that matter). For that same price and a bit of effort you could've gotten a used RX460 or GTX950, which would've been twice as fast. Heck, it's probably slower than lowest-of-the-low GT710, which currently sells at around $50 USD brand new.

 

[ThunderSoul]

this can be one of the "green" or "low-power" cards designed specifically for chinese market, where they've stuck a laptop GPU with DDR3 on a regular PCIe card off a generic HD6570

So it is not legit, then, if they replaced it with some other "stuff" then...

 

[silentbogo]

So it is not legit, then, if they replaced it with some other "stuff" then...

It is "legit" because it's intended to be this way. Just like RX560D or chinese versions of RX560/570/580 with slightly "stripped" GPUs, just like chinese version of GTX1060 w/ 5GB vRAM, etc. etc. etc.
Some of those even make it to international market. I've even found a few models from MSI and HIS that were officially launched not just in Asia but also in CIS region and some European countries, and even got reviews on the net.
I only brought up laptop GPUs as a most probable example. Back in those days it was a fairly common practice(especially for AMD's low-end) to re-use the same graphical chipsets on desktops if they don't sell well in laptops, or vice-versa. GPU is a GPU, it doesn't matter whether you stick it on a PCB of its own, MXM module, or a laptop motherboard along with other components. "Fake" is when you get something other than you paid for (like your typical GTS450 instead of GTX1060). This is definitely NOT the case.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So it is not legit, then, if they replaced it with some other "stuff" then...

To put it simply, no, not legit. If they advertised it as a desktop GPU and then sent you a mobile GPU on a desktop card, that's dishonest and a rip-off. Get your money back if you can.

 

[ThunderSoul]

OK, I understand. So what silentbogo is saying is that the card itself is legit, but what lexluthermiester's saying is that the card is not as advertised. So, AliExpress should have my back. Because when you get a Fake GTX1050ti that is actually a GTS 450, even though the GTS 450 is a "legit" card, it is not as advertised (a GTX 1050ti). Got it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

OK, I understand. So what silentbogo is saying is that the card itself is legit, but what lexluthermiester's saying is that the card is not as advertised. So, AliExpress should have my back. Because when you get a Fake GTX1050ti that is actually a GTS 450, even though the GTS 450 is a "legit" card, it is not as advertised (a GTX 1050ti). Got it.

Exactly. AliExpress has improved greatly in making sure people don't get screwed over.

 

[silentbogo]

but what lexluthermiester's saying is that the card is not as advertised. So, AliExpress should have my back.

No. Before both of you get completely lost in translation - simply forget I ever mentioned laptops.
You paid for HD6570, you've got an HD6570. The only one person to blame in this situation is you, since the only reason you are not happy with this GPU is not doing prior research on it's performance.
There are many versions of this card: Turks + GDDR5 and 60W TDP, Whistler + GDDR3 and 40W TDP, Thames + GDDR3 and 45W TDP etc. Regardless of the variant - they all suck.
Most listings on Aliexpress even mention the type of memory and whether it's used or not, and I highly doubt you can strongarm anyone to give you your money back - it's not EU with 14-day return policies.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You paid for HD6570, you've got an HD6570.

Oh is that wrong. The HD6570 desktop and the mobile versions are very different in specs and performance. The HD6570 has 480 shader units with GDDR5 RAM, whereas the 6570M has 400 shader units with only DDR3. The difference in performance is going to be noticeable. That company sold a mobile GPU as a desktop variant which is very dishonest and completely unacceptable.

 

[ThunderSoul]

Oh is that wrong. The HD6570 desktop and the mobile versions are very different in specs and performance. The HD6570 has 480 shader units with GDDR5 RAM, whereas the 6570M has 400 shader units with only DDR3. The difference in performance is going to be noticeable. That company sold a mobile GPU as a desktop variant which is very dishonest.

I agree with this. Thanks!

 

[silentbogo]

That company sold a mobile GPU as a desktop variant which is very dishonest and completely unacceptable.

You missed the point... again....
Stop focusing so much on mobile vs desktop and "customer is always right" bullshit - it makes no difference at the end.
It's just like GT730 rev 1 vs GT 730 rev 2, just not as drastic. Or GTX1060 6GB vs 3GB which also had different CU count, or AMD RX560 which had a gazillion versions/variations/regional specials with anything from 896 to 1792 SPs etc. etc. etc. Simply a card variant manufactured not for our market. Period. If anyone is to blame - write an angry letter to Rory Read, or whoever was responsible for this mess in AMD at that time.
The only useful thing all of you should get out this thread, is always ask for GPU-Z screenshot when buying from whoknowswhere. It doesn't matter whether it's eBay, Ali, local private ad etc. Even "legit" cards have nuances. Also do not assume anything - check first.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You missed the point... again....

Sorry, but I did not.

Stop focusing so much on mobile vs desktop

But that is the point.

"customer is always right" bullshit - it makes no difference at the end.

This is about one product being passed off as another. It's dishonest and unacceptable.

 

[silentbogo]

This is about one product being passed off as another. It's dishonest and unacceptable.

Ok... At which point of this transaction was one product passed of as another? Which card did he order? Which card did he receive? Did seller lie to him? Was there a foul play with wrong specs on the listing, or did the buyer simply didn't check or didn't ask?

Don't be delusional. It's the old story of expectations versus reality.