R5 3600 All-core @4.2Ghz

[ColombariBR]

Guys I have a R5 3600 purchased in October 2019 which by the way always made 4.2Ghz in the manual over in all colors in 1.4v ~ 1.45v, I always left it that way because I have no experience in Offset (my mobo only has this option).
So this week it restarted in the middle of the game, and there was no system, I turned it off and on again, it connects to Bios and so far I can't get the 4.2 GHz all-core anymore... it's only hit 4.2 GHz if I leave the PBO on.
My Asus Tuf X470 E gaming motherboard, editor bios and I can't understand why this happened. Can someone help me?

configuracao:
AMD R5 3600
Asus X470 Tuf Gaming
Memorias Team-Grupo 2666 @ 3200mhz
Fonte CX550W 80 bronze
VGA RX 570 4gb MSI

 

[thesmokingman]

Whoa, you ran it with static voltage all core for that long??? Reads like degradation city. Up to 1.45v is too much... I assume you never ran a max voltage check for that clock?

 

[outpt]

let pbo do its thing and it should be fine. no reason to all core. a cpus pbo does just fine

 

[GerKNG]

with these INSANE voltages you degraded your CPU by a lot.
be glad that it is still alive.

 

[ColombariBR]

Whoa, you ran it with static voltage all core for that long??? Reads like degradation city. Up to 1.45v is too much... I assume you never ran a max voltage check for that clock?

I never really checked the voltage as I always found it common to reach 1.4v so I didn't worry

let pbo do its thing and it should be fine. no reason to all core. a cpus pbo does just fine

my will is that he always did and that's why I found it strange now not to make the 4.2 statics anymore...

with these INSANE voltages you degraded your CPU by a lot.
be glad that it is still alive.

I believe it's not CPU degradation I don't make much use of it, at max 1h30 to 2hrs a day, so much so that 4.1 static it still does

 

[GerKNG]

I never really checked the voltage as I always found it common to reach 1.4v so I didn't worry



my will is that he always did and that's why I found it strange now not to make the 4.2 statics anymore...



I believe it's not CPU degradation I don't make much use of it, at max 1h30 to 2hrs a day, so much so that 4.1 static it still does

you can easily degrade a chip at idle with these voltages
static 1.36+v can degrade a zen 2 (and above) chip within months.

 

[thesmokingman]

I never really checked the voltage as I always found it common to reach 1.4v so I didn't worry



my will is that he always did and that's why I found it strange now not to make the 4.2 statics anymore...



I believe it's not CPU degradation I don't make much use of it, at max 1h30 to 2hrs a day, so much so that 4.1 static it still does

You realize YOU DISABLED THE CPU PROTECTIONS running in manual voltage right? You in turn decided that 1.4-1.45v is safe. It is most definitely NOT safe. There are methods to find a safe votlage for X clock, and you didn't do the test. You just decided what is safe. Now your cpu won't run previous settings. No one on this forum is going to tell you to keep running 1.45v lmao!

 

[outpt]

Run pbo and it should still. You might still see high voltage, but they should be transient in nature. The cpu regulator systems will keep the processor from nukeing itself. Hopefully you can keep using it but there are no garrantees at this point. Good luck though

 

[Toothless]

1.4v are idle voltages, not load when running stock. Under load you should be at 1.2-1.25v. You're pretty close to killing your chip.

 

[ColombariBR]

And friends I really didn't worry about the voltage of Vcore, because since I bought the cpu it works on these voltages by default even if the colors are not locked. my chip on the PBO auto makes 1.39V I can't get less of that, it's from the first batch of the 3600, that's why silicon is pretty bad...

 

[thesmokingman]

And friends I really didn't worry about the voltage of Vcore, because since I bought the cpu it works on these voltages by default even if the colors are not locked. my chip on the PBO auto makes 1.39V I can't get less of that, it's from the first batch of the 3600, that's why silicon is pretty bad...

You assume way too much. The voltage system is smart, it will never pump 1.4v or higher all core at high clocks, NEVER. It has differing states for voltage, high load and low load. You should research this because its 2021 and you should have already known this stuff man. And just because you see 1.39v by PBO, that doesn't mean it is safe to run 1.4v all core.

 

[outpt]

And friends I really didn't worry about the voltage of Vcore, because since I bought the cpu it works on these voltages by default even if the colors are not locked. my chip on the PBO auto makes 1.39V I can't get less of that, it's from the first batch of the 3600, that's why silicon is pretty bad...

not now. turn on pbo and get off the all core before it dies. plain and simple.

 

[Deleted member 211755]

I have R5 3600 too and my ran several months at 1.4 v (while gaming, not all the time) without my knowledge out of the box as I didn't check what was happening believing how AMD has built in precautions not to run the chip overvoltaged.
I was suprised to find out how that was not true so I disabled all auto overclocking features and ended up running the chip at 1.1 v at 3600 mhz as I found how I don't gain much performance in gaming by running it at 4.2 ghz (not all-core, PBO)
If you are, on the other hand, someone who works with productivity apps then you might have gains running it at 4.2 ghz, but 1.45 v is way to much even for that FQ.
I believe you could run it at that FQ with 1.3 v but you should stress test it and find out if you're lucky to run it at even lower voltage.
CTR has built in stress tests and can give you an idea how much voltage you need.
It is pretty accurate too.
But after you find out the needed voltage, set everything via UEFI/BIOS and not through the CTR. I found out I can safely run 4.0 all core at 1.3 v but decided it was not worth it in my usage scenarios.

 

[Toothless]

Anything above 1.3v for 3xxx isn't good for the chip under load. There have been so much conflict even with proof provided that these chips are burning out because people think they know better.

Your little voltage readings don't show every core, and sometimes that idle core is keeping the voltage up. The issue is current and it always has been.

Go ahead and keep running it at 1.4v on full loads. You're smarter than the engineers right?

 

[Zach_01]

There is no straight answer for what is considered as a safe voltage for a ZEN2/3 CPU.
But definitely 1.4~1.5V is NOT.
Just because we see up to 1.5V during auto boost and PBO it does not mean that is ok to run it static at this voltage. The voltage regulator and in general the whole system of the CPU silicon preservation on a ZEN2/3 is so advanced that no user can substitute it.

I have a R5 3600 from August 2019. On all core loads the CPU runs at 1.35V (4.0GHz) for Cinebench and 1.29V (3.9GHz) for Prime95.
What does that tell us? That the right voltage depends first on the type of load and the stress that puts on the silicon and of course it depends on temperature too. If I had different temps the voltage and the speed would be something else. The CPU keep tracking constantly the stress of silicon, amperage, temperature and maybe other aspects too, and then regulates accordingly the speed and voltage literally 1000times/sec. No human eye or software can ever see/catch that. So when you see a certain voltage and speed displayed by a software do not take it for granted. It’s not what is really happening.

PBO does not have much of an impact on operating parameters and performance as this CPU is one of the worst out there of the first batch. Doesn’t have any room for improvement.

And friends I really didn't worry about the voltage of Vcore, because since I bought the cpu it works on these voltages by default even if the colors are not locked. my chip on the PBO auto makes 1.39V I can't get less of that, it's from the first batch of the 3600, that's why silicon is pretty bad...

99.9% your CPU is degraded. All information you gave strongly suggests that and there is no work around. You have to get use to new state of operation. I suggest to reverse to normal boost function and hope it will continue to operate at least at a reasonable performance. If you want higher perf, get a faster/newer CPU… end of story.

 

[damric]

Whelp I guess mine is degraded too after running all-core for 2 years. Oh wait it isn't. People said this about every CPU ever.

 

[ColombariBR]

I have R5 3600 too and my ran several months at 1.4 v (while gaming, not all the time) without my knowledge out of the box as I didn't check what was happening believing how AMD has built in precautions not to run the chip overvoltaged.
I was suprised to find out how that was not true so I disabled all auto overclocking features and ended up running the chip at 1.1 v at 3600 mhz as I found how I don't gain much performance in gaming by running it at 4.2 ghz (not all-core, PBO)
If you are, on the other hand, someone who works with productivity apps then you might have gains running it at 4.2 ghz, but 1.45 v is way to much even for that FQ.
I believe you could run it at that FQ with 1.3 v but you should stress test it and find out if you're lucky to run it at even lower voltage.
CTR has built in stress tests and can give you an idea how much voltage you need.
It is pretty accurate too.
But after you find out the needed voltage, set everything via UEFI/BIOS and not through the CTR. I found out I can safely run 4.0 all core at 1.3 v but decided it was not worth it in my usage scenarios.

I only use it for games, so I preferred to leave the pbo active because it only goes above 1.36v when I'm playing and it doesn't and all the time of the game is only peaks

Whelp I guess mine is degraded too after running all-core for 2 years. Oh wait it isn't. People said this about every CPU ever.

Yes, despite everyone's information, I find it difficult because if it were degradation it would not rise to 4.2ghz in pbo all the time as it is doing at the moment, this in all cores while playing varies from 4150 to 4200mhz.. but I wait while I can't find a solution, I'll keep it that way

Anything above 1.3v for 3xxx isn't good for the chip under load. There have been so much conflict even with proof provided that these chips are burning out because people think they know better.

Your little voltage readings don't show every core, and sometimes that idle core is keeping the voltage up. The issue is current and it always has been.

Go ahead and keep running it at 1.4v on full loads. You're smarter than the engineers right?

if they're so smart why didn't they make a cpu that even in automatic beats 1.45v ??? they haven't had the ability to solve this so far, and yes, it's not just mine I've seen many hit up to 1.47v but they're still firm and strong

 

[Toothless]

I only use it for games, so I preferred to leave the pbo active because it only goes above 1.36v when I'm playing and it doesn't and all the time of the game is only peaks



Yes, despite everyone's information, I find it difficult because if it were degradation it would not rise to 4.2ghz in pbo all the time as it is doing at the moment, this in all cores while playing varies from 4150 to 4200mhz.. but I wait while I can't find a solution, I'll keep it that way


if they're so smart why didn't they make a cpu that even in automatic beats 1.45v ??? they haven't had the ability to solve this so far, and yes, it's not just mine I've seen many hit up to 1.47v but they're still firm and strong

Again. 1.4v IDLE. Every 3xxx chip raises voltage on the idle/low usage cores and vdroops on load. There are dozens of posts in this forum and more reports of chips degrading or just dying from over voltage.

But hey, don't gotta listen to people trying to help.

 

[ColombariBR]

‎Again. 1.4v IDLE. Each 3xxx chip increases the voltage in the idle/low-use cores and vdroops in charge. There are dozens of posts on this forum and more reports of chips degrading or simply dying from overvoltage. ‎
‎ But hey, you don't have to listen to people trying to ‎‎ help.‎

‎thanks for the help friend but my on pbo is at peaks of 1.4v only in games, most of the time gets less tense, using desktop, videos, common browsing, is at 1.1v 1.15 or even less than that, that's because I do not see much problem but I may be wrong‎

 

[Deleted member 211755]

As long as I get 3,6 ghz with 1,1 v on the voltage with this chip, I am satisfied.
I saw benchmarks from others while running it 4,2 ghz and the gains are minimal or non-existent while playing games.
If I was a content creator, I wouldn't buy this chip in the first place...

 

[Toothless]

As long as I get 3,6 ghz with 1,1 v on the voltage with this chip, I am satisfied.
I saw benchmarks from others while running it 4,2 ghz and the gains are minimal or non-existent while playing games.
If I was a content creator, I wouldn't buy this chip in the first place...

Or just run stock, since that works too.

 

[Deleted member 211755]

Or just run stock, since that works too.

I did just that. Disabled all auto overclocking features and that's what I got. The voltage is even lower then 1,1 v. It only gets there on occasions. I'm around 1 v while doing something on desktop (multiple tabs, videos etc.)

 

[Toothless]

I did just that. Disabled all auto overclocking features and that's what I got. The voltage is even lower then 1,1 v. It only gets there on occasions. I'm around 1 v while doing something on desktop (multiple tabs, videos etc.)

Except PBO is smarter than anyone here in terms of keeping the current down and in safe levels for the chip, while allowing for higher clocks. You're gimping your chip.

Also the lack of performance is probably due to gpu boundaries, not cpu.

 

[Hyderz]

most overclockers i know would max out their cpu and then bring it one or two notch down for day to day use, not constantly running max.
ive never been a fan of overclocking but i get why people do it (faster and free performance).
Nowadays overclocking is rather safe but there is still a slight risk to it. Btw the next upgrade you should do is the gpu, you'll see a big boost in performance

 

[ColombariBR]

‎Except that the PBO is smarter than anyone here in terms of keeping the current low and at safe levels for the chip, while allowing for higher clocks. You're stealing your chip.‎

‎In addition, the lack of performance is probably due to GPU limits, not the CPU.‎

‎yes my next step is to change the GPU but at current prices it is impossible, the RX570 still suits me well for the games I like ... but on the CPU I managed to leave the automatic PBO with frequencies not so good but acceptable in 1.38 V games 1.42 V (maximum peak of Vcore and then returns below). I'll keep it that way for now‎