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AMD Expects Chip Shortage to Improve Next Year, According to CEO Lisa Su

Right & you think the only way to gauge margins is the number of chips sold ~ without even knowing the (individual) margins on the said products? AMD IIRC had an exclusivity agreements for 4900HS with ASUS last year for 6 months or so. Now do you think they'd have more margins with such (exclusive) deals than say supplying peanuts to every OEM out there?
Stop being a contrarian man. Their margins are also publicily available. I'm not even sure what you're arguing at this man. making a debate about what back end deals are made on an individual basis is moronic.

 
Right & you think the best way to gauge margins is the number of chips sold ~ without even knowing the (individual) margins on the said products? AMD IIRC had an exclusivity agreements for 4900HS with ASUS last year for 6 months or so. Now do you think they'd have more margins with such (exclusive) deals than say supplying peanuts to every OEM out there?

How about you post some data proving your perspective?

Prove to me that supplies have shrunk. Which companies and where? All the stats I've seen is an increase to wafer-supply and chip-supply (despite major issues like Texas's power outage, floods, and COVID19 shutting down some packaging plants).

Now: things like the Texas Power Outage or Ever Given shipping delays have cascading effects on our supply lines. A power-outage in a chip-manufacturing plant in Feb 2021 will cause a car-plant to idle in September 2021. A shipping delay from the Suez Canal in March 2021 may cause a bicycle manufacturer to delay production for 3 months. Today's supply chains are complex, and unexpected delays anywhere have cascading effects down the chain. But as a whole, we're making more chips today than ever before. Maybe we didn't make them on schedule (and that's certainly going to cause unexpected delays), but you can't argue with the raw production bandwidth going on right now.
 
AMD needs to answer for allowing bulk sales of graphics cards to go to big miners. The answer they give is that it's the AIBs doing it, but can AMD not hold them accountable? It's not only a chip shortage, but also huge inventory mismanagement. There are a record number of new Radeons being sold, but if you look at Steam surveys, they are not getting into the hands of gamers. This is the same problem Polaris had, and it seems that corporations did not learn the long term lessons of this get rich quick scheme to cater to big mining. Every week AMD puts a paltry few units at MSRP in stock in their store to make it look like they aren't the problem, meanwhile I see pictures of pallets of Radeons going to die in the mines.
 
AMD needs to answer for allowing bulk sales of graphics cards to go to big miners. The answer they give is that it's the AIBs doing it, but can AMD not hold them accountable? It's not only a chip shortage, but also huge inventory mismanagement. There are a record number of new Radeons being sold, but if you look at Steam surveys, they are not getting into the hands of gamers. This is the same problem Polaris had, and it seems that corporations did not learn the long term lessons of this get rich quick scheme to cater to big mining. Every week AMD puts a paltry few units at MSRP in stock in their store to make it look like they aren't the problem, meanwhile I see pictures of pallets of Radeons going to die in the mines.
Why is AMD the problem. What is this discconect? Put yourself in the shoes of any manufacturer of X widget. Imagine you are Smith and Wesson, what control do you have over how ppl use your guns. You sell beer, are you responsible for the local liquor store selling to minors? C'mon ppl. Bulk sales happen and are very important for any business.
 
Excuses never ends in tech industry. First it was notebooks, tablets, smart phones and watches, smart automative parts, continued with electricity, weather and earthquakes... they never run out excuses but one thing is for certain prices go up for their own benefit.
 
AMD needs to answer for allowing bulk sales of graphics cards to go to big miners. The answer they give is that it's the AIBs doing it, but can AMD not hold them accountable? It's not only a chip shortage, but also huge inventory mismanagement. There are a record number of new Radeons being sold, but if you look at Steam surveys, they are not getting into the hands of gamers. This is the same problem Polaris had, and it seems that corporations did not learn the long term lessons of this get rich quick scheme to cater to big mining. Every week AMD puts a paltry few units at MSRP in stock in their store to make it look like they aren't the problem, meanwhile I see pictures of pallets of Radeons going to die in the mines.

The thing is that, financially, the dollar from a big miner is exactly the same as a dollar from you or I. AMD, and most businesses, couldn't care less about the specific user of their product(s), so long as what they're using them for isn't illegal and won't have a significant blowback if the usage is discovered. As it stands, mining is currently legal, and although you and I and other consumers suffer because of the increase in prices due to mining and scalpers, AMD (and Nvidia, and others) will gladly sell to whomever can pay.

Further, these big miners are a ripe source of repeat purchases. With the quality of of GPUs out right now, most people with a modern GPU wouldn't have to replace it for years, due to the fact that graphical fidelity in games isn't increasing nearly as quickly as it was 5, 10, 15 years ago. But a miner? They cook cards rather quickly and are immediately in the market for a new one. You and I might gladly hit the used market, but a miner wont. AMD makes no money off of used graphics cards (just as game publishers and developers make no money off of used games that a third party retailer sells). So again, from a bottom-line perspective, AMD sees the better financial option to sell to miners that will be in the market for MORE cards in a shorter period of time, than the vast majority of consumers who are purchasing the cards for gaming purposes.
 
My goodness, the bellyaching from people who don't remember the $3000 price tag on the original IBM PC. (That's $3000 in 1981 dollars, or $9K today.) That's for a processor that ran at 5 MHz, and graphics that provided a 320x200 display with all of four colors.

Conspiracy theories are the hallmark of the uneducated. They used to be funny, but the humor has worn thin in the last year and a half. Cynicism is not synonymous with intelligence.
 
yeah figures are facts and they know how to do that, same thing for petrol and gas bs, gas rose as much as 500% and people think everything is fine ehhe, they say demand rose hehehehehehehhehehehehehhe
I told you, it's our alien overlords,, the scheming bastards want 11 month holidays ,slaves and mega gas burners.

This is TPU not godlike productions or tik tok , now do please jog on back to tik tok, your missing the alien call up.


Wtàf.
 
Excuses never ends in tech industry. First it was notebooks, tablets, smart phones and watches, smart automative parts, continued with electricity, weather and earthquakes... they never run out excuses but one thing is for certain prices go up for their own benefit.
I would say that the bigger issue right now is not related to natural disasters, but simply down to a shortage of multiple key components that makes the world go around and I'm not talking about anything used to make chips. There's a shortage of shipping containers and all the big shipping companies have placed massive orders for more shipping containers, but they don't make themselves and as there's a pandemic still going on, it affects workers at factories that produce said containers, as all of a sudden there are restrictions in place which means the work stops or slows down significantly. Once the container is made, it needs to be shipped and filled with goods and some countries are now seeing a shortage of lorry drivers. Once filled with goods, they need to be taken to a port, many of which are currently overflowing with goods due to previous restrictions which caused massive backlogs. There the containers wait to go on the right ship, which can be over a month these days, as there are queues to get into the ports to offload and load the cargo ships. Then you have a ~20-30 days journey depending on if the goods are going to the US west coast or east coast, or Europe. There the ships have to queue again to get into to port to offload the cargo and at least in the US, this is now taking longer than expected to due to pandemic prevention measurements. Then finally they get put on another lorry and taken to a warehouse somewhere before being distributed. Let's not forget that fuel prices just hit a new high for this year.

Now some goods are going by air, due to the shipping mess, but with both sea and air shipping at an all-time high in terms of cost (up to 10-12x of normal costs), it's simply not possible to ship some low-cost goods, as the profit would be lost in shipping costs alone. This may or may not be a good thing depending on the goods.

All these things are outside of the manufacturers control, yet it increases their costs by a significant margin, something that in the end is going to end up affecting the final cost of whatever product it is. So no, it's not an excuse, this is how it is in the real world right now and it's going to affect anything that's being imported. This is also why more and more companies are looking to shift at least some of their production to the same continent at the very least, but that's not done overnight.

I've spoken to some hardware companies that are considering shifting their production away from the PRC, not because of the pandemic as such, but because they've not been able to keep the same quality level as they're used to when they can't have boots on the ground. This is going to be a long term concern as well, since if you can't trust your manufacturing partner to do the job they're paid to do when you don't have people at the factory, then you're going to be losing money, fast.

It's going to take a few years, but expect to see a change of where things are manufactured, at least from smart companies that have realised that the money they were saving on manufacturing in the PRC is no longer there, so they might as well move the production somewhere more reliable.
 
My goodness, the bellyaching from people who don't remember the $3000 price tag on the original IBM PC. (That's $3000 in 1981 dollars, or $9K today.) That's for a processor that ran at 5 MHz, and graphics that provided a 320x200 display with all of four colors.

Conspiracy theories are the hallmark of the uneducated. They used to be funny, but the humor has worn thin in the last year and a half. Cynicism is not synonymous with intelligence.
That used to be built on the USA or even Japan, outsourcing to poor countries has been a thing and competition driving investors to open factories on those places with cheap labour, funny is that chinese labour is becoming expensive, soon they will move to some other place but everything is in china, so is hard to leave that place for cheap labour where other things lack, for that move it needs a lot of money and partnership to move with it, meaning Chinese monopoly on many segments has become a problem for consumers, if china has a problem, the world has a problem? The interesting thing is that if price rise more and more 2 things will happen, an incentive to move to other places as an investment to lower that chinese monopoly or stay in china and earn big money and blame everything on shortage, I guess they are gambling people will keep as sheeps and goats and accepting the bs. Funny will be when there are no more pandemic, everything full capacity and prices are still high and they still blame shortage or I guess will be the clima or any other bs they want to make their narrative so sheeps and goats can believe them. Want to change the bs, boycott all the bs, never buy any overpriced bs.
 
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My goodness, the bellyaching from people who don't remember the $3000 price tag on the original IBM PC. (That's $3000 in 1981 dollars, or $9K today.) That's for a processor that ran at 5 MHz, and graphics that provided a 320x200 display with all of four colors.

Conspiracy theories are the hallmark of the uneducated. They used to be funny, but the humor has worn thin in the last year and a half. Cynicism is not synonymous with intelligence.
That's pretty much what my old man paid for our first computer, although that did include a laser printer. A Mitac 386SX-16 with 2MB of RAM, 256kB video memory, a 40MB hard drive, a 3.5" floppy drive and a 14" screen. He bought it through his company, but even so, it was mostly so I could learn how to use a computer. Some 30 years later I have spent pretty much all of my working life in something related to computers, so I guess it wasn't a bad investment as such and he did get at least another half a dozen computers if not more in return over the years.
 
Excuses never ends in tech industry. First it was notebooks, tablets, smart phones and watches, smart automative parts, continued with electricity, weather and earthquakes... they never run out excuses but one thing is for certain prices go up for their own benefit.
Like I said before, let the idiots keep buying overpriced things, lot of sheeps and goats nowadays.
 
I don't know if we should be happy for an improvement in chip shortage
 
Earlier this year, she said this about right now. Now she says it for next year. Next year, she'll say it--wait for it--for the year after. Gotta keep them stocks from going crazy.
 
Like I said before, let the idiots keep buying overpriced things, lot of sheeps and goats nowadays.
The issue is that the sheep and goats become the primary market audience. Looka t games now, with $200 special editions, lockign content behind paywalls, loaded to the gills with microtransactions, all because some dumb whales will pay money to skip playing the game. If you dont like those systems, you're now stuck with them (thank god for GoG),.

Same problem with hardware. Remember when high end GPUs were $500? Well now a RTX 3090 regularly sells for $2k, so when the 4090 comes out at $2000 MSRP,a nd the MSRP of everythign else rises with it, resulting in another generation of stagnant performance increases, you will be the one stuck paying sooner or later.

My goodness, the bellyaching from people who don't remember the $3000 price tag on the original IBM PC. (That's $3000 in 1981 dollars, or $9K today.) That's for a processor that ran at 5 MHz, and graphics that provided a 320x200 display with all of four colors.

Conspiracy theories are the hallmark of the uneducated. They used to be funny, but the humor has worn thin in the last year and a half. Cynicism is not synonymous with intelligence.
The difference here is that computer was A) made in the USA and B) was a significant improvement over computers from a few years prior which were both more expensive and slower.

The trend for computer hardware for the last two decades has been to be both noticeably faster and far cheaper perf/$ every year. The last few generations have reversed this trend, with perf/$ being stagnant at best or lower at worst, with horrific availability now to boot.

If the second IBM PC had come out with a 6 MHz CPu for $7500 people would have complained HARD that it wasnt worth the moeny.
 
you will be the one stuck paying sooner or later.
I always buy gpus when they are lower or close to msrp, never bought any gpu overpriced. I have 2 evga ftw 3080 in which I paid 800 usd each and yes it was before this manipulation but if it was right now I would not buy it, not even if a 3080 was 1000 usd each but hey I have more sense than money and I value my hard earned money, as for the idiots who have more money than sense I say keep doing it suckers and by the way gpu market concerning crypto market there are always the bear and bulls markets, meaning, there is no excuse paying more for gpus than msrp, from the crash in july 2018 to august 2020, gpu's were much cheaper than msrp and soon this will happen again and even if I have not bought a 3080, I would wait, know why? I value my hard earned money, plus I also never buy games that are overpriced or have just been released, I always wait for a sale, plenty games to play while those games go for sale and only then I buy, 50 to 75% off minimum
 
A hell of a thread.
 
So headline says next year and yet Lisa Su says 18-24 months which makes it 2023 at earliest and I know which one I believe. There will be NO respite next year nothing will have changed to improve the situation other than possibly less covid lockdowns. Chip shortages will abound since new Fabs are years away.
 

MD Expects Chip Shortage to Improve Next Year​


Shortage to improve reads like it's going to get worse.
 
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