AMD Ryzen Mobile "Raphael-H" Series Could Pack 16 Cores Based on Zen 4 Architecture

[AleksandarK]

As we await the update of AMD's highly anticipated 6000 series Rembrandt APUs based on Zen 3 cores and RDNA2 graphics, we are in for a surprise with information about the next generation, more than a year away, of Ryzen 7000 series mobile processors based on Zen 4 architecture. Codenamed Raphael-H, it co-exists with the upcoming lineup of Phoenix APUs, which come after the 6000 series Rembrandt APU lineup. This mobile variant of the forthcoming desktop Raphael processors features as many as 16 cores based on Zen 4 architecture. What is so special about the Raphael-H is that it represents a mobile adaptation of desktop processors, and we are not sure how it will be different from the Phoenix APUs. However, we assume that Phoenix is going to feature a more powerful graphics solution.

The confusing thing is the timeline of these processors. First comes the Rembrandt APUs (6000 series) and then both the Raphael-H and Phoenix mobile processors. AMD could disable iGPU on mobile Raphael-H designs. However, that is just a guess. We have to wait to find out more in the upcoming months.


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[zlobby]

Sweet! I've been waiting for this for ages now!

 

[mechtech]

Will windows 11 gimp it??

 

[Octavean]

Will windows 11 gimp it??

If you’re referring to the RyZen Cache Latency issue preferred cores issue, it was my understanding that there is supposedly a fix either out now or by the 21st of October.

 

[RedBear]

If you’re referring to the RyZen Cache Latency issue preferred cores issue, it was my understanding that there is supposedly a fix either out now or by the 21st of October.

It should be out now for testers in the Beta and Release Preview channel, AMD is working on fixing the separate issue with the scheduler. The Windows Update should be released on 19 October (Tuesday, as usual), while it's said that the AMD drivers will get released on 21 October. But unfortunately there's no fix for conspirationism just yet.

 

[Cybrnook2002]

It should be out now for testers in the Beta and Release Preview channel, AMD is working on fixing the separate issue with the scheduler. The Windows Update should be released on 19 October (Tuesday, as usual), while it's said that the AMD drivers will get released on 21 October. But unfortunately there's no fix for conspirationism just yet.

It is. I tested it yesterday and can confirm the cache issue is fixed.

Before

After

 

[seth1911]

16 Cores with IGP by 35-45w in an Notebook ?

For what ? for the Cores Count


This a terrible future, like on Android drölf cores but most in use are 4 Effi and 4 Performance Cores from 10, 12 etc.

 

[zlobby]

It is. I tested it yesterday and can confirm the cache issue is fixed.

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I wonder what they broke in exchange?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I wonder what they broke in exchange?

As has been said countless times, EVERY chip HAS Faults, professionally called errata and, has anyone yet made a piece of software that didn't have an issue at some point, I can't recall a single exe.

 

[Lionheart]

16 Cores with IGP by 35-45w in an Notebook ?

For what ? for the Cores Count


This a terrible future, like on Android drölf cores but most in use are 4 Effi and 4 Performance Cores from 10, 12 etc.

If AMD can manage performance & efficiency I don't see how it's a terrible future when it comes to CPU's.

 

[seth1911]

AMD cant it since Ryzen:
CPU is around 27%
100% Load on IGP

No the CPU dont clocks down, the IGP clocks down


In Kaverie Times the Powermanagment works in the right sight:

40% CPU usage
100% IGP usage

CPU Clocks down

 

[zlobby]

As has been said countless times, EVERY chip HAS Faults, professionally called errata and, has anyone yet made a piece of software that didn't have an issue at some point, I can't recall a single exe.

It may come as a surprise to you but I'm well aware of what you said.

I'm coding close to metal for many architectures. I'm also coding in high-level languages, too. Usually, my peers whine that I code slowly. Only that once my code is deployed, everyone just forgets it's there. It simply runs, taking care of itself, exceptions handling and all. I actually code everything for security and fault tolerance.
99% percent of all crashes blamed on my code turn out to be because of someone else's code.

I just failed to understand what silicon errata have to do with sloppy coding and non-existent QA?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It may come as a surprise to you but I'm well aware of what you said.

I'm coding close to metal for many architectures. I'm also coding in high-level languages, too. Usually, my peers whine that I code slowly. Only that once my code is deployed, everyone just forgets it's there. It simply runs, taking care of itself, exceptions handling and all. I actually code everything for security and fault tolerance.
99% percent of all crashes blamed on my code turn out to be because of someone else's code.

I just failed to understand what silicon errata have to do with sloppy coding and non-existent QA?

Err.
"I wonder what they broke in exchange?"

Oh is that leet speak then?!

I'm struggling with most of what you said, relative to the OP personally.

Be nice to know what Zen 4 brings so I could get excited.

 

[zlobby]

Err.
"I wonder what they broke in exchange?"

Oh is that leet speak then?!

I'm struggling with most of what you said, relative to the OP personally.

Be nice to know what Zen 4 brings so I could get excited.

I was implying that M$ broke something else (regression?) with their 'fix' for the cache issue, not that AMD discovered another erratum.

I don't practice 1337 speak except when in very select circles. Last thing I aim for is bluepilling my epeen on public forum.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It is. I tested it yesterday and can confirm the cache issue is fixed.

Those scores are still no good for the most part, but I noticed that your infinity fabric clock is very low. 950 MHz? It should be running at about twice that. It's not worth using DDR4-3800 if your processor can't achieve 1900 fabric in a stable manner, you'll get significantly better performance out of your chip with the fabric clock at 1800 and the DDR at 3600.

I was implying that M$ broke something else (regression?) with their 'fix' for the cache issue, not that AMD discovered another erratum.

They probably did, but the fix is only on the in-development branch right now. The fix for L3$ is scheduled for tomorrow for those on "stable" (build 22000), with the CPPC2 fix scheduled Thursday.

 

[wiak]

sounds like amd has two laptop designs one with gpu and without much like the desktop 5000 series, meybe they are using highly binned desktop zen4 chips in gaming laptops

 

[Mysteoa]

AMD cant it since Ryzen:
CPU is around 27%
100% Load on IGP

No the CPU dont clocks down, the IGP clocks down


In Kaverie Times the Powermanagment works in the right sight:

40% CPU usage
100% IGP usage

CPU Clocks down

This is probably something that the laptop manufactures tune.

 

[Batailleuse]

Will windows 11 gimp it??

the blah blah windows 11 gimps perf on AMD is already old news, it was fixed with the latest win 11 release. people should keep informed better and not just watch clickbait titles of tech tuber.

 

[Cybrnook2002]

Those scores are still no good for the most part, but I noticed that your infinity fabric clock is very low. 950 MHz? It should be running at about twice that. It's not worth using DDR4-3800 if your processor can't achieve 1900 fabric in a stable manner, you'll get significantly better performance out of your chip with the fabric clock at 1800 and the DDR at 3600.

Just wanted to say thanks! I had just updated the BIOS before testing and only set XMP. I forgot to set BCLK/FCLK, really, thanks for pointing that out ;-)

 

[Xajel]

As has been said countless times, EVERY chip HAS Faults, professionally called errata and, has anyone yet made a piece of software that didn't have an issue at some point, I can't recall a single exe.

You mean every OS.

The problem wasn't there with all previous Windows OS's, just with Windows 11, and it was fixed with just an update, it didn't require a new chip.

But true, every chip also has faults, but not in this case we're talking about.

 

[mechtech]

the blah blah windows 11 gimps perf on AMD is already old news, it was fixed with the latest win 11 release. people should keep informed better and not just watch clickbait titles of tech tuber.

First Windows 11 Patch Tuesday Makes Ryzen L3 Cache Latency Worse, AMD Puts Out Fix Dates

Microsoft on October 12 put out the first Cumulative Updates for the new Windows 11 operating system, since its October 5 release. The company's monthly update packages for Windows are unofficially dubbed "patch Tuesday" updates, as they're scheduled to come out on the second Tuesday of each...

www.techpowerup.com

I only read techpowerup so that’s why I asked if it has been resolved yet?

 

[zlobby]

First Windows 11 Patch Tuesday Makes Ryzen L3 Cache Latency Worse, AMD Puts Out Fix Dates

Microsoft on October 12 put out the first Cumulative Updates for the new Windows 11 operating system, since its October 5 release. The company's monthly update packages for Windows are unofficially dubbed "patch Tuesday" updates, as they're scheduled to come out on the second Tuesday of each...

www.techpowerup.com

I only read techpowerup so that’s why I asked if it has been resolved yet?

TPU are really great but don't limit your horizon.

 

[mechtech]

Y

TPU are really great but don't limit your horizon.

ya Unfortunately many of the other tech sites I used to read have closed or changed owners.

 

[zlobby]

Y

ya Unfortunately many of the other tech sites I used to read have closed or changed owners.

For whosoever asketh, receiveth: and he that seeketh, findeth: and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Just wanted to say thanks! I had just updated the BIOS before testing and only set XMP. I forgot to set BCLK/FCLK, really, thanks for pointing that out ;-)

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You're welcome, lookin' good! Cheers