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ICYMI, AMD Claims to have Caught Up with Core i9-12900K Gaming Performance Even Before Zen 4

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It's a tie or better at half the wattage with less cores, cheaper motherboards, and less cooling requirements.
AMD was saying this is pretty exclusively for gaming. Less cores probably means nothing for gaming at 8c/16t. As you said, 5600X3D would probably be awesome. For productivity there will be some benchmarks that do benefit from cache but couple of hundred Mhz short in frequency compared to 5800X and less cores compared to 5900X and 12900K will still be significant there.
 
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ADL beats Zen3, all 3D cache is is a crutch to zen 3, imo better to wait for zen 4, unless you have cash to blow on a 5800x3DC. Unless you have a 5950X then why not just keep that.
 
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Is this it? Slower clock speeds and only 8 cores? I thought this was going to be a whole range of "3D" CPU's to replace the current 5x00 CPUs. I have to say, that this is very disappointing news to me. I hope there are more options than just this going forward.

I also do not understand why AMD would slow the CPU down so much, I guess heat from the cache, and it's not offset enough by the process shrink? That's simply squandering the advantage they have with the 3D cache, and will mean much lower performance with applications and games that do not benefit from more cache. I hope this is just some marketing or TDP thing, and that it can be overclocked by a few hundred MHz, at least!

If this really is it, then AMD could well have jumped the shark. I hope that AM5 has DDR4 support, then instead of this, I'll upgrade to that. If there's no DDR4 support on AM5, then I'll pick up a 5950x to upgrade my 3900x instead. No way am I loosing cores to one-up some overheating Intel CPU in 3 or 4 games, which I don't play anyway, and loose tonnes of performance at everything else.
 
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It's pretty crazy how AMD can compete with Intel when Intel has an R&D Budget of $13.5 Billion and AMD has a budget of $1.98 Billion.....this really makes Zen4 seem like something special, there have been claims for a while now of an IPC increase of 29%, add in V-Cache and the switch to 5nm, and core for core performance increase could easily get up into the 35%-40% range which is just insane for a generation to generation innovation on what is comparatively a shoestring budget against their competition.

ADL beats Zen3, all 3D cache is is a crutch to zen 3, imo better to wait for zen 4, unless you have cash to blow on a 5800x3DC. Unless you have a 5950X then why not just keep that.
I'd love to hear your justification on why 3-D Vcache isn't a legitimate innovation and is a "crutch"? It just sounds like you're upset that AMD was able to neutralize the performance gap WITHOUT a new generation and against a company that has an R&D budget 680% greater than their own....if AMD had the same funds as Intel, Intel wouldn't have a leg to stand on....oh, well I guess relying on money instead of innovation is Intel's crutch
 
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It's pretty crazy how AMD can compete with Intel when Intel has an R&D Budget of $13.5 Billion and AMD has a budget of $1.98 Billion.....this really makes Zen4 seem like something special, there have been claims for a while now of an IPC increase of 29%, add in V-Cache and the switch to 5nm, and core for core performance increase could easily get up into the 35%-40% range which is just insane for a generation to generation innovation on what is comparatively a shoestring budget against their competition.


I'd love to hear your justification on why 3-D Vcache isn't a legitimate innovation and is a "crutch"? It just sounds like you're upset that AMD was able to neutralize the performance gap WITHOUT a new generation and against a company that has an R&D budget 680% greater than their own....if AMD had the same funds as Intel, Intel wouldn't have a leg to stand on....oh, well I guess relying on money instead of innovation is Intel's crutch

Why are AMD even bothering to use 3D cache on the 5800x? to regain the Gaming crown that is all. What is the point when they have AM4 coming.

Why would i be upset? you think i cry because AMD has come up with something to match ADL, grow up.

I don't give a crap what i use be it AMD or Intel, as i have stated umpteen times, the only reason i got the ADL board and CPU is because it was a gift, otherwise i would be still using the AMD rig i had. Unlike some morons, i am not loyal to either AMD or Intel, i am loyal to performance.

The reason it is a crutch is because AM4 will be using it. There was no reason to implement it on AM3 only to beat ADL in gaming, hence a crutch. I don't give a crap if you agree or not as it is my opinion.

Nothing is certain till there are CPU's in the hands of testers, people always hoot about this % increase or that, but it is piss in the wind till it is confirmed.


3d cache was not AMD's innovation, it was TSMC's, AMD are just using it that is all
https://www.semiconductor-digest.co...-confirms-current-ryzen-5950x-is-tsv-capable/
 
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What or who the fuck is ICYMI?
Seriously why is everything coming from btarunr such garbage work?
 
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Is this it? Slower clock speeds and only 8 cores? I thought this was going to be a whole range of "3D" CPU's to replace the current 5x00 CPUs. I have to say, that this is very disappointing news to me. I hope there are more options than just this going forward.

I also do not understand why AMD would slow the CPU down so much, I guess heat from the cache, and it's not offset enough by the process shrink?
Lower clock speeds are to be expected going forward, and more transistors to spare. Performance gains will come from IPC and SIMD.
Slapping a bunch of L3 on the die might be a costly way to add a tiny bit of performance, but for a niche market it might be worth it.

Why are AMD even bothering to use 3D cache on the 5800x? to regain the Gaming crown that is all. What is the point when they have AM4 coming.
It's a stop-gap solution. A lot of people are "needing" new computers before Zen4 arrives, and DDR5 availability is a huge problem for Alder Lake.
 
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It's pretty crazy how AMD can compete with Intel when Intel has an R&D Budget of $13.5 Billion and AMD has a budget of $1.98 Billion.....
This continues to be a clueless and ignorant argument.
Intel does much much wider and more expensive R&D than AMD.
 
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Yeah, great.
Not everyone is a native english speaker and not everyone understands slang terms.
Using this in an international environment is ridiculously stupid, especially when it's supposed to be a form of journalism.
 
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Yeah, great.
Not everyone is a native english speaker and not everyone understands slang terms.
Using this in an international environment is ridiculously stupid, especially when it's supposed to be a form of journalism.
I see no problem with an English speaking publication using terms like this, as long as it's not every other word, then it's just lazy. But there are many sites out there for translating or explaining terms like ICYMI. In this day and age, there is no need to have the FOMO.

When I'am on a foreign speaking site, I tend to go to Rome, and expect that it's not written for me, and that I may need to work some things out for myself.
 
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Seems telling that they're only doing this with a single model. Maybe its an acknowledgement that this isn't a cost-effective path forward and they're mainly doing it so there's higher "AMD" bar on the benchmark charts between now and Zen 4.

Mission success when you see a 5.5 Ghz ADL part in response. We all know how pointless the KS models are. Its the perfect 'I'm an idiot'-sticker.

What or who the fuck is ICYMI?
Seriously why is everything coming from btarunr such garbage work?

In Case You Missed It

Right... I missed that entirely. Internet slang? I do like to think I'm in the loop in that regard, but then again, social media knowledge moves fast eh.

Too bad TPU is using that as a guideline for what's normal. Very telling too ... I guess they like association with the sewers of the internet :confused:o_O
 

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What or who the fuck is ICYMI?
Seriously why is everything coming from btarunr such garbage work?
Yeah, great.
Not everyone is a native english speaker and not everyone understands slang terms.
Using this in an international environment is ridiculously stupid, especially when it's supposed to be a form of journalism.
Pretty sure BTA isn't a native english speaker either, being from India and all that.


I mean you're on the internet. On a tech forum.

Surely just... google it?
 
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Pretty sure BTA isn't a native english speaker either, being from India and all that.


I mean you're on the internet. On a tech forum.

Surely just... google it?

ICYMI adds absolutely zero, nothing, nada to that article's title, does it?

What's the point? Being trendy and making people google?
 
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"while the pricing of the 5800X3D is unknown, it's highly likely to end up with an enormous gaming price-performance advantage over Intel"

LOL, just like the 3000XT models ended up with enormous price-perf advantages, right? Oh wait, those were overpriced lemons that only suckers and fanboys bought... AMD realised this, which is why they're only releasing a single model of this stop-gap rubbish, in limited quantities, priced through the roof, to separate more suckers and fanboys from their money.

I particularly like how the slides don't show the actual FPS numbers. They could be getting 1 FPS, at which point 1.4x FPS in Watch Dogs Legion seems a little less impressive. It's almost like they're hiding those numbers fro precisely that reason... but like I said, suckers and fanboys.

Right... I missed that entirely. Internet slang? I do like to think I'm in the loop in that regard, but then again, social media knowledge moves fast eh.

Too bad TPU is using that as a guideline for what's normal. Very telling too ... I guess they like association with the sewers of the internet :confused:o_O
ICYMI is internet slang that's entered the common vernacular, e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-59777677 - you're just an old man who's out of touch :p
 
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It's pretty crazy how AMD can compete with Intel when Intel has an R&D Budget of $13.5 Billion and AMD has a budget of $1.98 Billion.....this really makes Zen4 seem like something special, there have been claims for a while now of an IPC increase of 29%, add in V-Cache and the switch to 5nm, and core for core performance increase could easily get up into the 35%-40% range which is just insane for a generation to generation innovation on what is comparatively a shoestring budget against their competition.


I'd love to hear your justification on why 3-D Vcache isn't a legitimate innovation and is a "crutch"? It just sounds like you're upset that AMD was able to neutralize the performance gap WITHOUT a new generation and against a company that has an R&D budget 680% greater than their own....if AMD had the same funds as Intel, Intel wouldn't have a leg to stand on....oh, well I guess relying on money instead of innovation is Intel's crutch
Please don't add in shit to their estimated performance.

AMD already did to get to 29% , 35/45 is just hype training the shituation.

I too expected a product line not a product, but this close to Am5 , I, and anyone like me were being naive.

AMD just needed a market awareness nudging campaign and price cuts in reality plus they Do want to sell the stock presently in the channel.
 
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Have two systems, one with 5950x and the other with 2700X , going to wait for AM5 , backwards compatible DDR4 would be nice .
 

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Have two systems, one with 5950x and the other with 2700X , going to wait for AM5 , backwards compatible DDR4 would be nice .
We may get DDR4 AM5 boards, but i'm pretty confident we wont get AM5 cpus on AM4 boards.
 

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Yeah, great.
Not everyone is a native english speaker and not everyone understands slang terms.
Using this in an international environment is ridiculously stupid, especially when it's supposed to be a form of journalism.
It's just an acronym. Probably meant to save space in the headline. Not really slang it's made up of all full words found in any English dictionary.

I don't see why so many people have issue with this. I'm older than most, I got my first computer in 1991. I don't use social media at all, I've never had a Facebook or Twitter account.
However google is very well known, it's quick and easily accessible. Pretty simple no matter what your native language. I assume the author is not native English.

You learn something new every day.
 
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You learn something new every day.
Indeed.

At the same time, its feedback on the author's style of writing.
As commonplace as it might be, its still feedback. The most important part of that feedback, I think, is that ICYMI adds literally zero to the content presented. After all if you DIDN't miss it, you won't be reading the article to begin with. And for everyone else... it strikes me as hipster speak that serves influencer clicks. I get that typical snowflake effect from it. Dunno why, is it because I'm old (35...:rockout: ) or because I'm still sane? Whatever, it just feels that way, and it clearly got in the way of directing the reader's attention to the content rather than the writing style. And apparently, I'm far from unique in feeling that way.

Another thought is that many things 'common' today are really not cool at all. And most do originate from the internet slang that develops in the gutter of social media. So again, I ask, is that what TPU wants to associate with? Do its users? The same BBC that copied it, is old media that happily copies every Twitter fart and Facebook trend to make news. :kookoo: All the while wondering why people have such short attention spans.

My point being... let's apply some critical thinking over what we so shamelessly copy 'because people do it', and whether it actually serves a purpose or is just there so you can be part of the flock.
 
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I don't have a problem with it in general discussions among random people, because in that context it's kind of obvious it's an acronym, but it's confusing and (to me) unprofessional-looking/sounding when used in let's say... "official" posts or something. Of course, it might just be me, but it just feels out of place.

But it's a dead horse we're beating here so that's all I wanted to add.
 
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