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AMD Socket AM5 a "Long-lived Platform": CEO

Is there really a high risk of LGA socket pin failure, for installing another chip or reseating the processor more than 5 times? I saw BS like that for LGA, back in the 2010s.

Yay! (not!) Motherboards with bad socket pins could be flooding PC shops every year now!
The pins are very fragile, so it really depends on the user how they handle it. There was once I did not put the chip in the socket properly, so when I tried to slide it into the socket, it actually bent some of the pins. So care needs to be taken when removing or putting the processor chip on it. And the same goes for AMD's socket as well. In fact, there is a higher risk of damage to the pins for AMD's socket because there is no frame to hold it down. So one really need to be careful how they remove the cooler.

I like AMD's approach to maximising the socket lifespan in a sense that if you are not looking for cutting edge technology like faster PCI-E and M2 slots, then it allows people to upgrade some years down the road, assuming the motherboard manufacturer will release a BIOS for it. It is not perfect, but I prefer this over Intel's annual or bi-annual upgrade cycle. Even if there are significant improvements in technology, people should decide if they need it before getting a new board. People like me don't go for cutting edge motherboards, i.e. I am using a B460 board, and there is little reason to upgrade to a new chipset. At the budget segment, you tend to get the same features year on year.
 
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I have put off a new system build because of gpu pricing, might as well wait for AM5 as card prices have not dropped enough.
 
Hopefully AM5 will not be as "Long-lived" as TRX40 was. That too was touted as a change to support future generation Threadrippers. Ones that never arrived (unless AMD decices to still make a series based on Zen3 this year).

That being said i doubt AM5 will equal or much less surpass AM4's longetivity. AM4 was an anomaly Same way that R9 290X, 1080Ti, i7-920 or i5-2500K were. Insanely good products with awesome price/performance. Ahead of their time and relevant for generations to come.
 
After what they did with the X370, I am staying away from AM5 until the X870 ships (so 3 generations into AM5).

Ok Who cares.
Why not ask them what hell their doing with TRX40 and WRX80 sockets?:confused:

It is more than likely they deemed the target market of the TRX40 chipset doesn't care about having Zen 3 at all.

Is there really a high risk of LGA socket pin failure, for installing another chip or reseating the processor more than 5 times? I saw BS like that for LGA, back in the 2010s.

Yay! (not!) Motherboards with bad socket pins could be flooding PC shops every year now!

Of course not, as long as you don't put your finger in the LGA or drop anything inside the socket, it's as durable as PGA would be, and no risk of breaking a processor's pins either. LGA vs. PGA is pretty much an AMD vs. Intel fan battle, mechanically they are different but functionally, quite similar.
 
I think AMD has done wonders with the AM4 socket, I have a CPU from each gen and not really had any issues with any really. I might have to try a 5 series CPU in one of my X370 boards, see if they work :) I know the 3900X's I have do, as they are in the X370 boards I have...
What do you mean "try a 5 series CPU in one of your X370 boards"? This is AM4 and compatible so why are you not using your X370 boards? :D
 
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Socket AM4 cooler compatibility, neat! :toast:
 
Slightly better than Intel but pretty much lipstick on a very similar pig
WHAT? WHAT? Slightly? Very similar pig? AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
It's like saying that a 18 wheels track is the same as a bicycle because they both have wheels!

....slightly......:laugh::respect:
 
It's a lot of firsts for AMD consumer platform, lga, ddr5, pcie5... Might be worth waiting for zen4+ and x770 at least..
 
Think about that 5 years ago Intel released Kaby Lake and there has been already three sockets (1151-2, 1200 & 1700) after that.
When talking about sockets and Intel releasing Kaby Lake, s1155 was a socket from 2015 on its way out.

Intel sockets are a pretty known quantity - new socket every two CPU releases which are generally once a year, so 2 years per socket:
- 2015 s1155 Skylake, Kaby Lake
- 2017 s1155-2 Coffee Lake
- 2019 s1200 Comet Lake, Rocket Lake
- 2021 s1700 Alder Lake

For AM4 there is a soft cutoff in the middle with Zen2 and 500-series where you can but probably do not want to be on a 300/400 chipset for Zen2 or Zen3.
 
I'm still fighting against audio popping and crackling with my B550+3600+NVME SSD PCIE 4.0+M-Audio USB external audio card configuration, they tried to fix it with different bios update, but the issue is still there.
No more AMD platform for me, I will switch again to Intel.
Sorry AMD, too much bugs for me.
 
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Is there really a high risk of LGA socket pin failure, for installing another chip or reseating the processor more than 5 times? I saw BS like that for LGA, back in the 2010s.

Yay! (not!) Motherboards with bad socket pins could be flooding PC shops every year now!

I doubt it as i have had 775 boards that are ancient and must have had a ton of CPU's in them yet still work fine.
 
I'm still fighting against audio popping and crackling with my B550+3600+NVME SSD PCIE 4.0+M-Audio USB external audio card configuration, they tried to fix it with different bios update, but the issue is still there.
No more AMD platform for me, il will switch again to Intel.
Sorry AMD, too much bugs for me.
What GPU do you have?
 
Where 5000 series support for 300 series tho
I think it's up to OEMs, along with AMD's validation. I'm pretty sure Biostar made the news not too long ago with 5000-seires support for some A320 boards. AsRock added 5000-series support to their deskmini X300. There are other 300-series boards with Zen3 support, but right now it's a juggling game. You add support for one - you have to cut support for the other, especially on the low-end.
Is there really a high risk of LGA socket pin failure, for installing another chip or reseating the processor more than 5 times? I saw BS like that for LGA, back in the 2010s.
It's not the socket itself, but the quality of it. And the same thing applies to PGA sockets.
I think it all changed sometime in 2013-2014. It's just my speculation, but I believe Foxconn started making really shitty "cheapified" sockets. Pins on LGA became thinner and more fragile, and "pegs" in FM2 and later - AM4 also became smaller and thinner. That's when all the madness with "pulling CPU with heatsink" started. I've never seen anything like that before.
 

"Long-lived Platform": CEO​

It almost feels like 2017, doesn't it?

My B350 was supposed to be a long-life platform with support through 2020, Zen 3 was released in 2020, Amd changed the script and here we are with no support.

So many lies, about Support through 2020, ROM size and PCI traces being the reason of no Zen 3 support, both debunked.

Like, am I unironically supposed to believe those claims?

I need to upgrade my R5 3600 and I surely don't want to be an AM5 early adopter, I got screwed once, it'd be stupid to make the same mistake twice, also artificial locks are the reason why I'll never buy a B550/X570(s) when the socket is borderline EOL.

ADL is cheaper than Zen 3, has better ST, CPU+Mobo costs the same or even less depending on the setup. Also Raptor Lake will still support DDR4 so I'll get to save some money and not buy DDR5.

What's Amd strategy here? Are they making so much money that they just don't care about the impression they give to their community?
 
RTX 3060 Ti from September, but it was the same with my previous RTX 2070.
Hmm. Im not sure about Ampere but Turing was notorious for high DPC latency and resulting audio issues.
 
Hmm. Im not sure about Ampere but Turing was notorious for high DPC latency and resulting audio issues.
With the same configuration (RTX 2070), I had no issues before to switch from an ASUS Prime X370-PRO to the Gigabyte B550I.
The issue is because of the new AMD chipset B550, I'm sure about it...
 
With the same configuration (RTX 2070), I had no issues before to switch from an ASUS Prime X370-PRO to the Gigabyte B550I.
The issue is because of the new AMD chipset B550, I'm sure about it...
As a professional test engineer I can honestly say there's a fair chance you're wrong and a slim chance you're right.
As a TPUer start a thread if you want help with it, don't hijack this thread to turn it into a moan about one guy having a isolated issue thread.
Ps I have used similar without issue on x370/470/570 but again one guys test is meaningless and non representative, despite your opinion, and mine.
 
Yeah... keeping the same socket means little when chipset support is locked for no reason. Even saying the number of years, it was 3 generations of motherboards - x370/b550/a320; x470/b450; x570/b550 - not that special without the pretty 5 years frame. Also looking at the CPU, only Zen 2 works on the 3 chipset generations.

Slightly better than Intel but pretty much lipstick on a very similar pig

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Using an old slide is a bit misleading. Most, if not all X470 & B450 boards support Zen+, Zen2 & Zen3. As an initial 1st gen Ryzen adopter I was disappointed that X370 only went up to Zen2, but going from Zen to Zen2 is a more significant upgrade on a single socket than Intel has offered... ever?
 
As a professional test engineer I can honestly say there's a fair chance you're wrong and a slim chance you're right.
As a TPUer start a thread if you want help with it, don't hijack this thread to turn it into a moan about one guy having a isolated issue thread.
Ps I have used similar without issue on x370/470/570 but again one guys test is meaningless and non representative, despite your opinion, and mine.
I didn't ask for help, they just asked to me for more information and I replied, I'm not complaining.
 
What do you mean "try a 5 series CPU in one of your X370 boards"? This is AM4 and compatible so why are you not using your X370 boards? :D
I am :D

I've two of each X370, X470 and X570 :) They use 3900X's in the X370, I have a 2700 and a 2700X in my X470's for the moment (upgrading to possibly 5900Xs) and then a 3950X and a 5950X in each of my X570 boards :)

It's all great fun :D
 
If BIOS flashback is mandatory (or if 32MB BIOS chips is mandatory) the issues with the 300 series chipsets would be completely avoided, and we could have a 'universal' socket for quite a few years.

"Long-lived Platform": CEO​

It almost feels like 2017, doesn't it?

My B350 was supposed to be a long-life platform with support through 2020, Zen 3 was released in 2020, Amd changed the script and here we are with no support.

So many lies, about Support through 2020, ROM size and PCI traces being the reason of no Zen 3 support, both debunked.

Like, am I unironically supposed to believe those claims?

I need to upgrade my R5 3600 and I surely don't want to be an AM5 early adopter, I got screwed once, it'd be stupid to make the same mistake twice, also artificial locks are the reason why I'll never buy a B550/X570(s) when the socket is borderline EOL.

ADL is cheaper than Zen 3, has better ST, CPU+Mobo costs the same or even less depending on the setup. Also Raptor Lake will still support DDR4 so I'll get to save some money and not buy DDR5.

What's Amd strategy here? Are they making so much money that they just don't care about the impression they give to their community?

You got 3 generations, which is still leap years ahead of where we're at with intel
 
Tbh, i wouldn't care if it was one. It bothers some people but not me really. If it's a major change like it was for ADL i don't care, same as for AM4-5, it's a major change so does not matter. Most people keep their CPU's for a fair while, so if i have one for even 2 years and have to buy a new board for a new CPU so what. I guess it depends if you are buying high or low end, if low then cost matters, if high then you should be able to afford it anyway.

Wonder if they will have any problems with socket warp like ADL has done.
 
AMD ripping off intel design lol, i guess they have to learn from the best right!
 
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