AMD Socket AM5 a "Long-lived Platform": CEO

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[Keullo-e]

I doubt it as i have had 775 boards that are ancient and must have had a ton of CPU's in them yet still work fine.

Same here. My three 775 boards work as new and I'm pretty sure that they weren't used with just one or two CPUs before I got those.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Same here. My three 775 boards work as new and I'm pretty sure that they weren't used with just one or two CPUs before I got those.

Pretty sure there will be AM5 boards broken by AMD users inexperienced with the LGA socket.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Pretty sure there will be AM5 boards broken by AMD users inexperienced with the LGA socket.

Yes I agree, just hold up with the fans shit, It wasn't needed most inexperienced AMD users would not class themselves as giving a fan about AMD in reality ,nor should they per say.

Something to consider though these aren't Lga775, if you look at those verses any modern LGA the new pins are smaller, lighter, made out of less material and denser packed.

 

[Keullo-e]

Yes I agree, just hold up with the fans shit, It wasn't needed most inexperienced AMD users would not class themselves as giving a fan about AMD in reality ,nor should they per say.

Something to consider though these aren't Lga775, if you look at those verses any modern LGA the new pins are smaller, lighter, made out of less material and denser packed.

Though I guess that most builders have some experience with LGA sockets as it's almost 18 years when LGA775 hit the market, so they've been around for a while. But for a novice some bent pins could be a thing.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Wow didn't realise one word could get someone's goat up so much. What difference did it make which word i used. i'm sure nearly everyone knew what i meant. Some people tend to blindly stick to either one camp or the other, even refusing to switch even when it makes sense to do so, therefore might have little experience with the LGA or PGA socket.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

That's when all the madness with "pulling CPU with heatsink" started. I've never seen anything like that before.

IIRC, I never had the CPU pulled out with the heatsink, except for a Pentium 4-based CPU out of a Dell, LOL.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

It is more than likely they deemed the target market of the TRX40 chipset doesn't care about having Zen 3 at all.

Where do you get, your information?
People who are on these systems are watching EPIC-X get Zen 3 3D cache, it's very fast. Unless they're going to get Zen4 on TRX40, many people on TRX40 will be pissed off.
Plus is the lack of actual (TRX40 3,000) chips to buy anymore for TX40 Driving up the price of even the lowest one. It seems WRX80 is getting more chips than TRX40 has been.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Where do you get, your information?
People who are on these systems are watching EPIC-X get Zen 3 3D cache, it's very fast. Unless they're going to get Zen4 on TRX40, many people on TRX40 will be pissed off.
Plus is the lack of actual (TRX40 3,000) chips to buy anymore for TX40 Driving up the price of even the lowest one. It seems WRX80 is getting more chips than TRX40 has been.

I mean, it's just an opinion/guess. Zen 3 has been out for some time now and the 3D V-Cache versions have been officially announced, but there is no sign of the alleged Chagall platform just yet (which would be Zen 3 TR 5K), if this late on AMD did not manifest itself about it I would guess that it would come down to the following:

1. ROI is deemed too inefficient to bother
2. There is no market interest on such a product or;
3. Sales of TRX40 have been underwhelming to a point they do not deem it worth it to continue maintaining the platform

AMD is a business and I would evaluate its drive forward applying the concepts of how a business thinks, after all, if so many of their target market (creative professionals) were bustling about getting Zen 3, they could long since have released the processors and indeed be ready for a third wave of 3D-stacked chips by now.

 

[Tomorrow]

AMD makes big bucks selling EPYC. No real need for them to cannibalize those margins to divert these chiplets to Threadripper. Not in the middle of a chip shortage. Perhaps when they move EPYC to Genoa (5nm chiplets) then they will bring 7nm chiplet based Chagall to TRX40.

TR should account for only 1-2% of the market. Atleast according to historical data of people buying HEDT systems and Mindfactory.de data from Germany where TR sales are mostly around 1% of sales. Tho im sure AMD makes up for the volume in margings. Those TR CPU's are expensive.

 

[Aquinus]

Honestly, I've been waiting for this day where AMD would start using LGA for mainstream setups. There are a lot of things I like about LGA over PGA.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Honestly, I've been waiting for this day where AMD would start using LGA for mainstream setups. There are a lot of things I like about LGA over PGA.

I have thought for a long time, the pins should be on the cheap component, not the expensive one. I think LGA is better, plus locks the CPU securely into the socket where PGA does not.

 

[Icon Charlie]

"Long-lived Platform": CEO​

It almost feels like 2017, doesn't it?

My B350 was supposed to be a long-life platform with support through 2020, Zen 3 was released in 2020, Amd changed the script and here we are with no support.

So many lies, about Support through 2020, ROM size and PCI traces being the reason of no Zen 3 support, both debunked.

Like, am I unironically supposed to believe those claims?

I need to upgrade my R5 3600 and I surely don't want to be an AM5 early adopter, I got screwed once, it'd be stupid to make the same mistake twice, also artificial locks are the reason why I'll never buy a B550/X570(s) when the socket is borderline EOL.

ADL is cheaper than Zen 3, has better ST, CPU+Mobo costs the same or even less depending on the setup. Also Raptor Lake will still support DDR4 so I'll get to save some money and not buy DDR5.

What's Amd strategy here? Are they making so much money that they just don't care about the impression they give to their community?

Short answer is yes. I never did liked Lisa Su at all. I already knew she would be the type that would stab all of those people that stood by AMD in the back as soon as their stock goes up. And it did. The result is they will be making product at a calculated level of performance on a certain price level.

There will be no more value per performance. It will be EXACTLY AS proven what they have did with the 5600XT video card. That card sole purpose was to keep the 5700 and 5700XT from falling in price.

As stated before on this site. I bought my 5700 @$280 dollars and the 5700XT @$300 dollars, 2 weeks before launch of the 5600XT. They were NOT on sale. Once the launch happened the same videos card that I purchased went up to $330 and 380 respectively.

This is called price segmentation. This is why AMD did it. This is Why Intel Does it. This is why Nvidia ESPECIALLY does it.

I'm a old man. I seen this type of crap at a business level for 43 long years. I've was an actual technology reporter during the golden age of the computer pc. I am sick of the lies and deceptions that corporate talking heads are doing.

They think you are nothing but a cooonsooomer to them. Loyalty does not matter to Lisa Su or anyone else in corporate land anymore.

As for you jumping on the AM5 wagon??? Nope. I myself will not jump to that platform anytime soon.

Because
1. There will be NO budget High end Chipset, like my MSI X570 A-PRO that I purchased for $125.00. This and every component from now on will be "Price Segmentation". This is already happening on the Intel Platform of late.
2. DDR5 is EXEPENSIVE FOR what you get and I do not see things getting cheap anytime soon.
3. I am REALLY concerned with the AMD 7000 series and Micro$haft's Pluton security setup. This is NOT software. This is a TPM chip VERY SIMILAR to what is in the PS game console. We already have seen the FORCED obsolescence and problems recently with Windows 11. I can even see someone or some company being able to BRICK your own personal computer. I hope I'm wrong but lets see what happens in a few years from now.

Lets make it clear. I can throw 5 to 20 grand on a rig and not worry about it, but I am so very old school that it hurts to see how this industry is going. And because of over 33 years of computer tech experience I built my rig that I have posted on to this site taking to consideration what this industry is doing right now.

And right now I am grateful that I made the right call back in 2019 to build a new rig when I saw the warnings on what the future would hold and that is...

Price - Segmentation without good overall value.

 

[eidairaman1]

Where 5000 series support for 300 series tho

Give it time, also X370 is feasible with Top end B350s

I have thought for a long time, the pins should be on the cheap component, not the expensive one. I think LGA is better, plus locks the CPU securely into the socket where PGA does not.

Last time i pulled a cpu out was on a P4 478 with hsf attached. I use heat then twist method since that incident.

LGA has been on servers since Skt F (1207)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Give it time, also X370 is feasible with Top end B350s


Last time i pulled a cpu out was on a P4 478 with hsf attached. I use heat then twist method since that incident.

LGA has been on servers since Skt F (1207)

I've actually had it stick while warm and twisted, I found removing the memory allowed a thin prie bar , like a butter knife could slide in that side of the mobo HSF and twist them apart.
My pry bar is small scale for laptop cases.

 

[Mussels]

Made the news today that AMD is officially working on 5000 series support for 300 series chipset boards

 

[TechLurker]

After what they did with the X370, I am staying away from AM5 until the X870 ships (so 3 generations into AM5).

To be fair though; it's a good idea in general to skip over this first generational update, simply because it's playing host to a whole variety of new tech; AM5 and the new socket, PCIe 5.0, DDR5, and the new chips themselves.

Even Ryzen's 1000 series wasn't flawless despite efforts to make them proper and serious contenders, and were very much leapfrogged by the follow-up 2000 series. AM4's jump to PCIe 4.0 wasn't as dramatic as the upcoming leap, but it still did cause some problems, like the BIOS/CPU support issues as well as differing quality between mobo makers who either did or didn't include robust "PCIe 4.0 Ready" x16 slots. So one can only imagine how the first gen AM5 will go, and it'll be the early adopters who also get to serve as live beta testers.

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That aside, I wish their LGA socket was much like their Threadripper/EPYC solution; almost idiot proof with a keyed torque lock and a simple slide-in and lock down mechanism. Just smaller than TR, and allowing them to reuse the same torque key.

 

[AceKingSuited]

Short answer is yes. I never did liked Lisa Su at all. I already knew she would be the type that would stab all of those people that stood by AMD in the back as soon as their stock goes up. And it did. The result is they will be making product at a calculated level of performance on a certain price level.

There will be no more value per performance. It will be EXACTLY AS proven what they have did with the 5600XT video card. That card sole purpose was to keep the 5700 and 5700XT from falling in price.

As stated before on this site. I bought my 5700 @$280 dollars and the 5700XT @$300 dollars, 2 weeks before launch of the 5600XT. They were NOT on sale. Once the launch happened the same videos card that I purchased went up to $330 and 380 respectively.

This is called price segmentation. This is why AMD did it. This is Why Intel Does it. This is why Nvidia ESPECIALLY does it.

I'm a old man. I seen this type of crap at a business level for 43 long years. I've was an actual technology reporter during the golden age of the computer pc. I am sick of the lies and deceptions that corporate talking heads are doing.

They think you are nothing but a cooonsooomer to them. Loyalty does not matter to Lisa Su or anyone else in corporate land anymore.

As for you jumping on the AM5 wagon??? Nope. I myself will not jump to that platform anytime soon.

Because
1. There will be NO budget High end Chipset, like my MSI X570 A-PRO that I purchased for $125.00. This and every component from now on will be "Price Segmentation". This is already happening on the Intel Platform of late.
2. DDR5 is EXEPENSIVE FOR what you get and I do not see things getting cheap anytime soon.
3. I am REALLY concerned with the AMD 7000 series and Micro$haft's Pluton security setup. This is NOT software. This is a TPM chip VERY SIMILAR to what is in the PS game console. We already have seen the FORCED obsolescence and problems recently with Windows 11. I can even see someone or some company being able to BRICK your own personal computer. I hope I'm wrong but lets see what happens in a few years from now.

Lets make it clear. I can throw 5 to 20 grand on a rig and not worry about it, but I am so very old school that it hurts to see how this industry is going. And because of over 33 years of computer tech experience I built my rig that I have posted on to this site taking to consideration what this industry is doing right now.

And right now I am grateful that I made the right call back in 2019 to build a new rig when I saw the warnings on what the future would hold and that is...

Price - Segmentation without good overall value.

Taking this a little to personal, don't you think? Name me one company that caters to consumers the way you are expecting. How many iPhones are there now? How about Toyota/GM/F cars? They are no better nor worst than Intel/Nvidia/Apple or any other company. They provide a product/service at different prices for different budgets.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Taking this a little to personal, don't you think? Name me one company that caters to consumers the way you are expecting. How many iPhones are there now? How about Toyota/GM/F cars? They are no better nor worst than Intel/Nvidia/Apple or any other company. They provide a product/service at different prices for different budgets.

And they probably don't give a hoot about us as long as we buy their crap.