AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Real-world Pricing Closer to $300

[ixi]

And Muppets have defended this card.

They are welcome to it.

I'm not a muppet and I will say it again that for this bottom line of gpu with 4GB ram ir more than enough.

 

[watzupken]

As expected, the prices will be higher than MSRP substantially, and with it, any attractiveness for people to buy one. Unless AMD is selling these to OEMs, otherwise, I doubt they will move many units in retail. The specs are really crappy even by a budget card standard. And the lack of VRAM will not be attractive to miners. AMD's justification of making the card not attractive for miners made it equally unattractive for gamers. If one can find a GTX 1650 GDDR6, might as well get it, rather than this RX 6500/ 6400. I've found it around 200+ USD many times on Amazon. It may likely be a little slower than the RX 6500 XT, but it is substantially cheaper.

 

[Chrispy_]

I'm not a muppet and I will say it again that for this bottom line of gpu with 4GB ram ir more than enough.

Yup. Historically, bottom-of-the-barrel GPUs have always used needlessly large VRAM sizes to make them look more appealing on paper despite those cards never running out of VRAM in previous incarnations of the same silicon with half or even a quarter of the memory capacity. Most low end cards never come close to running out of VRAM for the performance levels they offer; 2GB Geforce GT 610/710/720 cards that can barely justify 512MB, or rebrands like the Radeon R7 250 4GB that were barely half of a chopped down HD7770 which ran out of performance long before exhausting its 1GB of GDDR5.

6GB may be the minimum requirement for high-end, raytraced gaming at ultra settings in 2022 but a 6500XT is not high-end, its raytracing performance will be abysmal and ultra settings will not run well enough without dropping the resolution so low that VRAM requirements are negligible.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I'm not a muppet and I will say it again that for this bottom line of gpu with 4GB ram ir more than enough.

4GB isnt enough for the 6500xt, the 560x from 2017 is limited by it's 4GB framebuffer. cities skylines, doom, doom eternal, and halo infinite are all VRAM limited on said card, resulting in frametime inconsistency and lag spikes. The 6500xt is much faster as a GPU, and the restrictions will only be more evident. Modern games are using more VRAM. 4GB should be reserved for sub $100 GT 1030 tier GPUs.

ESPECIALLY for $300. 6GB 1660 supers were $250.

 

[Raiden85]

What the hell are AMD thinking with this card, only 4GB VRAM and very gimped video encoding/decoding. Even if this was a card that launched at £99 it's DOA.

The minimum VRAM it should have shipped with its 6GB. While it's not a card your going to be gaming on at max settings on every title at 1080p modern games and even some older ones need more than 4GB. It's an embarrassing card for 2022.

 

[kruk]

The price markup is insane, but ... if this is the street price, then the prices of other GPUs should start falling as well ... maybe the end of the GPU crisis is near ...

Even if this was a card that launched at £99 it's DOA.

When did you last look at what £99 gets you? A 2 GB GT 1030 which is 5 times slower than this.

 

[Chrispy_]

4GB isnt enough for the 6500xt, the 560x from 2017 is limited by it's 4GB framebuffer. cities skylines, doom, doom eternal, and halo infinite are all VRAM limited on said card, resulting in frametime inconsistency and lag spikes. The 6500xt is much faster as a GPU, and the restrictions will only be more evident. Modern games are using more VRAM. 4GB should be reserved for sub $100 GT 1030 tier GPUs.

ESPECIALLY for $300. 6GB 1660 supers were $250.

Are we talking about the same card? The RX 560 (there was never officially a 560X) is a 2GB or 4GB version that is exactly half the core config of a 4GB or 8GB RX 570 respectively.

The RX 570 is more than twice the performance of the RX 560 because in addition to being literally half the silicon, the 560 also has slower-clocked GDDR5. So at something like 44% the performance of an RX570 8GB (which can just about sustain 60fps during combat action at Ultra Nightmare 1080p in Doom Eternal), a hypothetical 8GB RX560 wouldn't even manage 30fps, and 25fps is not enough for a twitch shooter like Doom Eternal, thus making it a moot point.

At 1080p High the RX 560's 4GB frame buffer is clearly enough and there are several 1080p60 YouTube videos showing flawless performance of the RX560 at >60fps with zero inconsistency, lag spikes, or stuttering.

Yes, 4GB is not enough VRAM for Doom Eternal Ultra Nightmare settings.
No, the 4GB RX560 has no chance of ever delivering playable framerates with that much detail turned up in the first place.

ESPECIALLY for $300. 6GB 1660 supers were $250.

And the cheapest on newegg right now is currently $650, 2.6x more than the double standard you're holding the 5600XT to.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Are we talking about the same card? The RX 560 (there was never officially a 560X) is a 2GB or 4GB version that is exactly half the core config of a 4GB or 8GB RX 570 respectively.

*sigh*

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/radeon-rx-560x

AMD Radeon RX 560X Specs

AMD Polaris 21, 1275 MHz, 1024 Cores, 64 TMUs, 16 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1750 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Swing and a miss there bud.

And yes, I meant the RX 560, which is a weaker card, further reinforcing my point that somethign as powerful as the 6500 is going to be gimped by a 4GB framebuffer.

The RX 570 is more than twice the performance of the RX 560 because in addition to being literally half the silicon, the 560 also has slower-clocked GDDR5. So at something like 44% the performance of an RX570 8GB (which can just about sustain 60fps during combat action at Ultra Nightmare 1080p in Doom Eternal), a hypothetical 8GB RX560 wouldn't even manage 30fps, and 25fps is not enough for a twitch shooter like Doom Eternal, thus making it a moot point.

Agreed, although you'll note this is a red herring argument. I never said DOOM on "ultra nightmare" settings. The 560 already struggles at medium settings in some areas, and the lag spikes are nto following 100% GPU load. Clear indicator of memory bottlenecks.

At 1080p High the RX 560's 4GB frame buffer is clearly enough and there are several 1080p60 YouTube videos showing flawless performance of the RX560 at >60fps with zero inconsistency, lag spikes, or stuttering.

See, I strongly disagree this does not match my experience playing DOOM. Furthermore, the RX 6500 is twice as powerful. What was sufficient for the 560 is not sufficient for a 6500.

Yes, 4GB is not enough VRAM for Doom Eternal Ultra Nightmare settings.

That is correct, although again I never mentioned nightmare settings, that was you.

No, the 4GB RX560 has no chance of ever delivering playable framerates with that much detail turned up in the first place.

Hey, you know what COULD?

The rx 6500, a card over twice as powerful yet stuck with the same framebuffer.

oops.

And the cheapest on newegg right now is currently $650, 2.6x more than the double standard you're holding the 5600XT to.

This, right here, is what we call whataboutism.

 

[kanecvr]

Wanna hear something better? If nobody will buy, they will increase price even more till it will reach the point they'll probably stop making those unsold gpu series.

That's not how the market works. If nobody's buying, they'll have to drop price of unsold inventory.

I agree with @LemmingOverlord. My money's going into my other hobbies for a few years. I'll catch up to gaming and GPUs when they become obsolete and cheap.

Nvidia, AMD and board partners can sod off - there's no way I'm paying 300$ for a low end card and 1000-1500$ for a proper card considering I only game a few hours a week.

 

[Chrispy_]

*sigh*

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/radeon-rx-560x

AMD Radeon RX 560X Specs

AMD Polaris 21, 1275 MHz, 1024 Cores, 64 TMUs, 16 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1750 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Swing and a miss there bud.

That's a render, not a real card and no, it was never launched as a dGPU for desktops, not even OEM-only in obscure parts of Asia.
You're the one who mentioned the fictitious card in the first place. If anyone's swinging and missing, it ain't me....

 

[Keullo-e]

300USD/EUR and above for a lower-end card with a 64-bit bus? Well, nothing surprises me anymore what it comes to GPU pricing.

What the hell are AMD thinking with this card, only 4GB VRAM and very gimped video encoding/decoding. Even if this was a card that launched at £99 it's DOA.

The minimum VRAM it should have shipped with its 6GB. While it's not a card your going to be gaming on at max settings on every title at 1080p modern games and even some older ones need more than 4GB. It's an embarrassing card for 2022.

Pretty hard to do with a 64-bit memory bus, unless mixed density chips are supported.

 

[Fluffmeister]

What the hell are AMD thinking with this card, only 4GB VRAM and very gimped video encoding/decoding. Even if this was a card that launched at £99 it's DOA.

The minimum VRAM it should have shipped with its 6GB. While it's not a card your going to be gaming on at max settings on every title at 1080p modern games and even some older ones need more than 4GB. It's an embarrassing card for 2022.

Muppets the lot of them.

But then you can't blame AMD for milking the market too, they aren't a charity either apparently.