Intel wants 700-Series Chipset Motherboards without DDR4

[Why_Me]

That's what all the rumors are saying, and I would be surprised if they wouldn't support.

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I meant to say DDR4.

 

[usiname]

Z170(DDR3+DDR4) > Z270(DDR4)
same story

 

[Keullo-e]

Z170(DDR3+DDR4) > Z270(DDR4)
same story

I guess that it was just because manufacturers didn't make Z270 boards with DDR3 slots, since both 6th and 7th gen does support DDR3 (officially DDR3L).

 

[ShurikN]

I really don't see the issue with this.
You want DDR4, get a 600 board, 13th Gen will work on it anyway. There are options, it's not like Intel is forcing us to get a 700 board.
They are gonna leave that for 800 boards.

 

[shk021051]

good luck with that intel

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yep
Newest cpu
Newest board socket
Newest memory
Newest gpu version
Only

 

[Wirko]

Intel doesn't want any DDR5 memory to be left in stores for those who buy Zen 4.

 

[ir_cow]

Once AMD and Intel go full DDR5, prices will drastically drop.

 

[progste]

Too hard too soon? Maybe not, we'll see.
But from what I've seen on their 12th gen there was no big performance difference with DDR4.

 

[thunderingroar]

Initially this sounds bad but when you think about it what meaningful upgrade would DDR4 z790 bring over DDR4 z690? Your ram speed is held back by the ADL memory controller (~4000 in gear1) and not the motherboard's memory topology. Unless raptor lake gets a much better IMC i dont see this as a big issue since you already get tons of connectivity and pcie5 with z690

 

[mb194dc]

Use case advantage for DDR5 is tiny and it's insanely expensive.

Almost no one going to notice the difference unless running specific workloads that need the extra bandwidth.

 

[seth1911]

ddr5 is very expensive, for 16GB 4800 (138€) u can get a cpu like 120100F or even an older one like the 11400F.

 

[Minus Infinity]

IMO Intel should make Z7xx series DDR5 only. This will be a fully optimised for DDR5 MB and for those that want to use DDR4 you can use existing Z6xx MB's. It's not like Z7xx is bringing much new to the table, not even USB4. You aren't going to be missing much.

With AMD and Intel both moving to DDR5 only on next gen CPU's I'll guarantee there'll be a lot of shortages given these are releasing Q3. I wouldn't be an early adopter. Also I never want to buy Rev 1.0 MB's.

 

[mechtech]

"According to various leaks and rumors we should expect to see support for DDR5 at 5600 MHz for Raptor Lake,"

Hmmm so DDR4 was basically intro'd (en mass about 2014) at 2133 and made it to 3200 (jedec-today), so if DDR5 was intro'd at 4800, we can expect it to get to DDR5-7000 (ish) around yr 2028 ish ??

 

[TheLostSwede]

"According to various leaks and rumors we should expect to see support for DDR5 at 5600 MHz for Raptor Lake,"

Hmmm so DDR4 was basically intro'd (en mass about 2014) at 2133 and made it to 3200 (jedec-today), so if DDR5 was intro'd at 4800, we can expect it to get to DDR5-7000 (ish) around yr 2028 ish ??

7200 MHz is the expected "peak" JEDEC speed for now, which might be out by as early as this year. Samsung actually revealed such a product last year.

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SK Hynix is aiming for 8400 MHz.

SK Hynix Unveils DDR5 Memory Details, Production to Start This Year

SK Hynix has today posted an update on their blog about the upcoming DDR5 memory, which they have developed in co-respondence with JEDEC's progression of the standard. They have noted a few key things, among which some of the most interesting are features like the maximum speed of 8400 Mbps. The...

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[Mussels]

Honestly? this is fine.

 

[TechLurker]

To be fair here, someone has to be the one to trigger the shift to DDR5, and Intel has the funds to do so. Then the boardmakers will follow, and then the component manufacturers will follow. Intel gets the advantage of ensuring that the first DDR5s are spec'd to their XMP standards, and it'd be up to AMD's supporters and component makers to match that when they also jump onto DDR5.

AMD would undoubtedly do the same thing if they had the same funds; after all, they were able to successfully push the pricier PCIe 4.0 motherboards ahead of Intel, catching them off-guard long enough that Intel was actually on the backfoot with no PCIe 4.0 counter for awhile and all the fear-mongering of next-gen GPUs "potentially" not having their full performance on it and it took several weeks of live reviews and word of mouth to put that to rest; until AMD actually went and did make a PCIe 4.0-only GPU, but on the low-end (for now).

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
1.1v nice lol

 

[lexluthermiester]

From Intel's perspective this is understandable, but DDR5 has still a huge price premium over DDR4..

Exactly. Until DDR5 pricing is reasonable and sensible, DDR4 support needs to continue.

@ INTEL,
Life is so arranged that you can't always get what you want. So you can take your request and jam it somewhere unpleasant.

In six months time, unlikely unless something changes.

Right, so DDR4 support needs to continue.

 

[Why_Me]

Gotta love it when Intel 12 gen supports both DDR4 & DDR5 while Zen4 will only support DDR5 yet the zombies on here want us to forget all that and bash Intel for going full out DDR5 in the future.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Gotta love it when Intel 12 gen supports both DDR4 & DDR5 while Zen4 will only support DDR5 yet the zombies on here want us to forget all that and bash Intel for going full out DDR5 in the future.

What you failed to bash yourself, was that AMD is going to continue making AM4 CPU's and chipsets after releasing AM5. Just throwing it out there clever chops..

 

[TechLurker]

Gotta love it when Intel 12 gen supports both DDR4 & DDR5 while Zen4 will only support DDR5 yet the zombies on here want us to forget all that and bash Intel for going full out DDR5 in the future.

I think it's more the fact that Intel is looking to force mobomakers' hands when they themselves originally kept in the circuits needed for DDR4 that's making them look bad. AMD is not a saint, they too have tried to limit upgradability to some degree (although that was also partly the mobo makers' faults too, as they needed a reason to make newer mobos and sell them), but here's Intel with a strong, competing CPU that could potentially be adapted to both DDR4 mobos and DDR5 mobos as the mobomakers want, but now they're forcing them to only making DDR5 mobos instead of allowing them to double dip this generation.

At least in this instance, AMD was clear that there will be no backwards compatibility with DDR4 simply because they're going to replace the circuitry needed for DDR4 with whatever is needed for DDR5. AM5 chips will be purely for AM5 and DDR5, while whatever they might be able to port back to DDR4, should it be financially viable, will be done so separately.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Intel will sell mobos (chipsets) with dual support/ Common, is all about the moneyz in the end and CPU market share. They will do whatever it takes to sell more CPUs .

 

[Max(IT)]

My DDR4 32 GB kit isn’t going anywhere soon. DDR5 is pointless right now, and too expensive. In 2023 I will consider the switch, after Raptor Lake.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
When ddr4 came out it was stupid high to.
Stayed that way for several years to for the really good sammy b-die kits.