AMD Announces 3rd Gen EPYC 7003 Processors with 3D Vertical Cache Technology, $4,000 to $8,000

[Bomby569]

Your brain must be off because enterprise CPUs go into server banks that provide millions of services worldwide including the host for techpowerup and all the updates/data storage for all the games you play. Humanity needs cloud storage, HPC, servers, etc way way way more than anything you need as an individual for your home PC.

Oh are we going to stop gaming or browsing the internet so as to not waste electricity and help humanity and the Planet?

We have a saint here. Please less hypocrisy

 

[Tomorrow]

I meant, is there really a market for that kind of chip? Of all Ryzens sold, how many are 16 core? 1 %? 3 %? Out of those 16 cores sold, how many would be used for work in your link where the X3D would be substantially faster? That would most likely be less than 1 %.

Mindfactory has some sales numbers. 5950X sold more than you might think given it's price by besting cheaper 10th and 11th gen i3's and i5's.
From earlier numbers Threadripper was at 1-3% tho because of the niche use case for regular consumers and very high entry price.

We can be fairly certain by extrapolating EPYC numbers, check out the Phoronix article I linked in my first reply. It covers a lot of different kinds of software and the gains are very formidable. 7773X is also running at lower base clocks just like 5800X3D will.

None of these apply to majority of consumer workloads like gaming etc. The only one i even recognized was blender and that by itself is not a common consumer workload.

5950X3D would've made a killer workstation/mini-server chip (since it can take up to 128GB ECC RAM). That would probably make it a threat for some Threadrippers tho

Regular 5950X also accepts ECC if the board supports it. Threadripper is safe because no Ryzen can reach the memory bandwidth, capacity and PCIe lane count that TR offers.

 

[SL2]

Well, I hope it will be useful for gaming, at least.
Otherwise the 5800X3D will be a total waste of silicon...

I meant for anything else than gaming, ie what AMD haven't marketed it for, and what some people can't stop dreaming about.

But there's always the PR aspects of having a halo product like the i7-8086K was, for example

Sure, but it's hard to compare the X3D to a CPU with just slightly higher clock speeds, as the latter is so much easier to produce, and production of the latter won't affect the server lineup as the same chips would have become 8700K's anyway.

Mindfactory has some sales numbers. 5950X sold more than you might think given it's price by besting cheaper 10th and 11th gen i3's and i5's.

lol, I'm sorry that I was 1 percentage point off. 660 out of 16000 is 4.1 %.

I wonder where ingebor has gone. Why did he vanish right when Alder showed up?

Oh are we going to stop gaming or browsing the internet so as to not waste electricity and help humanity and the Planet?

We have a saint here. Please less hypocrisy

Wow, that's not even what he said. Read again.

 

[ncrs]

Regular 5950X also accepts ECC if the board supports it.

I didn't write that it doesn't, and why wouldn't it since it's the exact same IO die.

Threadripper is safe because no Ryzen can reach the memory bandwidth, capacity and PCIe lane count that TR offers.

There are workloads that benefit greatly from the increased L3 but don't really scale with the bandwidth (for example due to locality and latency) or PCIe count of a TR. That platform is also a lot more expensive than AM4. There's nothing wrong with using AM4 as a server/workstation platform, there's plenty of boards like this available.

 

[Jism]

Considering that 5950X started at 800 and is now selling under 600 then adding 200 would mean original MSRP. But clearly based on the fact that most consumer workloads (except games) dont benefit from massive L3 cache it made sense to make 5800X3D. Still considering they priced it the same as 5800X MSRP i would have like to have seen 5600X3D too at 5600X MSRP as a premium 6c/12t gaming option. But as an enthusiast seeing 5950X3D would have been cool tho im not sure it would have been much faster than 5800X3D. Tho they could have made it 5Ghz boost but it looks like we will have to wait for Zen4 to get 5Ghz+ models.

Dude, additional cache on any CPU = win. Games is'nt the only thing people or consumers would use a CPU for.

I can think of quite some scenarios in where the 5800X3D would be justified. It would be a great upgrade path for my 2700x and basicly twice as fast + some extra thanks due to the cache.

OC'ing is'nt relevant at this point. When you would cool the CPU properly, usually with a 360MM rad with a push pull config you are guaranteed to have the CPU be in constant boost state.

Epycs are the main selling point for AMD. In enterprise there's where the most money is to be made. The EPYC's are fantastic CPU's and there quite some workloads that can benefit from the additional cache.

People never seen a 5800X3D and already can judge.

 

[SL2]

48 MB L3 per core ought to be enough for everyone.

 

[Makaveli]

48 MB L3 per core ought to be enough for everyone.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I was expecting 5 digit pricing, I guess $8k is close enough.

 

[Mussels]

So there's 4 CPU's for Epyc and only one for Ryzen. That makes no sense, unless money. AMD keeps backstabbing the people that supported them in the bad years.

Yeah... no.
Their big money was never from gamers.


It helps certain enteprise/server tasks massively, MUCH more than it helps gamers. AMD's own numbers say 10-15% for gamers, but upto 88% for these server tasks... no shit, Epyc gets more models.

 

[JAB Creations]

It was clearly stated that AMD's 3D v-cache does not work at the same voltages as the CPU when overclocked. Overclocking a CPU with v-cache will literally destroy the chip. An AMD associate stated that they would rather sell something (even if it can't overclock) than nothing and that gamers benefit the most from the cache. In other words: the manufacturing process hasn't matured enough to support overclocking. It's about maintaining performance leadership because there are tons of people who think "If company A has the fastest CPU/GPU at $73,000 then I should blindly buy their $140 product without doing ANY f#$%ing research because you don't have to like think to be smart!" and businesses now have to deal with that dumbshit mentality.

I really, really can't stand comments (especially when they're the very first ones) that portray a business where people are busting their asses to maybe meet enough deadlines while not getting enough sleep to strive to get something in to people's hands and people post dumbshit comments portraying those same people as if they're sitting around having conversations like, "You know what, we're a business because we want to make profit! So let's NOT sell stuff because screw our users." But there is a reason why people making those comments have zero business insight.

I watched most if not all of this video a few days ago, someone else can go dig up the chapter and quote it. As someone who makes meaningful comments on here I already have to deal with enough pointless hostility from even moderators to not want to participate.

 

[Vya Domus]

It was clearly stated that AMD's 3D v-cache does not work at the same voltages as the CPU when overclocked. Overclocking a CPU with v-cache will literally destroy the chip.

I doubt that anything would get destroyed, the real reason why they probably locked overlocking is because caches dissipate a ton of heat, that's also why it runs at lower clocks in the first place, it can't dissipate the heat fast enough. My guess is that this chip will run incredibly hot right out of the box.

 

[Max(IT)]

I meant for anything else than gaming, ie what AMD haven't marketed it for, and what some people can't stop dreaming about.

to be honest I think huge cache will be useful just for gaming. For any other task the lower clock could even be detrimental to performance (just a few percentage points TBH). Maybe to some other specific tasks with huge sequential reads/writes too, like compression/decompression.

 

[Mussels]

to be honest I think huge cache will be useful just for gaming. For any other task the lower clock could even be detrimental to performance (just a few percentage points TBH). Maybe to some other specific tasks with huge sequential reads/writes too, like compression/decompression.

This is what AMD has said. For repetetive tasks (gaming) it's a boon - for heavy long term tasks like rendering, its a negative.

If it was a boost to every application, intel and AMD would have been pushing it for a long time.