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Apple, Intel to Become Alpha Customers for TSMC's 2 nm Manufacturing Node

R0H1T said:
Tbf there's good arguments on both sides ~ AMD can't clock as high as Intel on all cores because of IF & their chiplet route, this is also the reason why they are more efficient on desktops. Intel 12th gen on laptops is super efficient, albeit with a slight node & massive IPC advantage as compared to zen 6xxx chips. zen4 should be interesting extremely so if they can pull a zen2 ->
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R0H1T said:
zen3 leap again!
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Intel Alder-Lake & efficiency: Intel's newest CPUs might cut down the battery life

Intel Alder-Lake will soon arrive in many laptops models. The focus of the new platform is the performance of the new CPUs - but the efficiency is worrying. New spec sheets with battery life numbers from Lenovo indicate that laptops with the 2022 Intel platform might have worse battery life than...
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No, Not really.
 
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Tigger said:
Time for AMD to stop scratching its arse and spend some of the RYZEN cash on its own FAB/s But i guess even after all the success they still don't have enough money so are perpetually stuck relying on TSMC, they didn't even come up with 3D cache themselves, it was TSMC that did.
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Trying to make your own cutting edge manufacturing process these days is complete and utter suicide. There is no way to compete, even if you have billions of dollars to spend and it's not even all about money, the IP alone that would be required makes it an impossible task.

Many of these companies used to have their own fabs, including AMD. Now they don't, doesn't that tell you anything ?
 
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Vayra86 said:
This is pulling wool over your eyes. "If I dont put serious load on it, it might use less than some AMD CPUs" lol. Not very objective is it.

There is no anti Intel sentiment here, only people calling things what they are. I remember an Intel Quadcore era where most people shat all over inefficient Bulldozers and Piledrivers and I also remember AMD getting flak for high power usage on GPU. I was one of those, just like I shit over ADLs 241W ridiculousness.

The constant in all of this is: performance per watt appears to be very highly valued by a large group of customers. And I totally get that. Look at the sentiment towards Ampere and incoming Lovelace announcing 450-600W potential TDPs!!

Id suggest you stop seeing the good old green red conflict and look at the market instead.
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Those Lovelace TDPs are very high. Many users will be put towards new PSUs or not buying at all.
 
Vya Domus said:
Trying to make your own cutting edge manufacturing process these days is complete and utter suicide. There is no way to compete, even if you have billions of dollars to spend and it's not even all about money, the IP alone that would be required makes it an impossible task.

Many of these companies used to have their own fabs, including AMD. Now they don't, doesn't that tell you anything ?
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The rest gave up, Intel did not.
 
Nobody can afford cutting edge fabs except Intel and Apple if they wanted to (they don't).

AMD went to shit mostly because their fabs were too expensive to keep being cutting edge. They spun off their fabs into Global Foundries which even with outside orders couldn't make enough money to keep up with technology. AMD spent a ton of resources to design their ZEN CPU on 12nm Global Foundries process (which they had to use because of contracts made during the spinoff) just to almost cache up to Intel. It wasn't until ZEN 2 and the switch to chiplets plus going to TSMC that things picked up for them.

With Intel launch of their new GPU you will see that even with a million engineers and using the same process nodes as AMD and NVIDIA Intel sucks. Intel has always been known for their process ability and not because of their designs which is how small companies like Cyrix and AMD leadfrogged them from time to time on small budgets. Lose the process edge and Intel goes to shit.
 
The question is who will make the future cutting edge chips if nobody can afford it? :confused:
 
It won't survive alone fighting with itself. The regulators will start legal procedures against monopoly situation.
 
ARF said:
The question is who will make the future cutting edge chips if nobody can afford it? :confused:
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I think its slowly becoming that time when humans oughta realize and make policy on the fact that all good things come to an end and the idea of continued growth (and shrink in the case of chips) is finite.
 
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To be honest if everybody has to use 3rd party foundries to make chips you will probably see more companies joining the CPU and GPU business since it is much cheaper to design a CPU/GPU then to make them yourself (still expensive but not nearly as much). Of course moving from a design monopoly to a manufacturing one has its own problems.
 
Vayra86 said:
I think its slowly becoming that time when humans oughta realize and make policy on the fact that all good things come to an end and the idea of continued growth (and shrink in the case of chips) is finite.
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Well, I want to be an optimist and say that the good things haven't even started yet.
To me, the good things will start once everyone and their dog start using 4K 3840x2160 monitors everywhere ;)
 
Oh the irony...
 
R0H1T said:
They did, you just won't admit it though! IDM 2.0 or whatever is proof they can't do it alone.

And I'm not even counting the 22nm-7nm missteps o_O
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At least they still have them whether they are still working out for them or not. I'n sure they are making more than desktop CPU's with all the FABS they have, so must be making some profit for them. Pretty sure they don't just use them to make CPU's for us plebs
 
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