AMD Unveils 5 nm Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Desktop Processors & AM5 DDR5 Platform

[tabascosauz]

Listened through the livestream in DCS......some thoughts while running for my life:

• The AM4 cooler spacing is a nice touch.
• 170W TDP is a lot.......currently 180W package power across even 2 chiplets is kinda hot in all-core with a midrange air cooler (although custom water only exceeds 80C after 210W or so). I'm not sure if Ian has left Anand yet (Gavin seems to have taken over), but AT seem to be conflating PPT with TDP. I hope 170W is PPT, not TDP
• The "extreme overclocking" tag for X670E is pretty funny when all of the advertised X670E boards are 4DIMMers, lol - not sure if X670 now being the middle child means a relative upgrade for B450/B550 users, or just another price hike justifications a la Z590/Z690
• Paste is going to be a bitch to clean off that IHS - falls off the edge only to get caught in between the clusters of MLCCs

All in all, feels pretty familiar from AM4. I'm not concerned with the hardware, more with how AMD plans to improve their overall poopy approach to firmware/software. Hopefully AM5 is a new start for AGESA and they start taking a bit more initiative with ryzen master - the way they take 1 step forward and 2 steps back, that laptop and desktop marketshare ain't going anywhere

 

[rrrrex]

PCI-E 5.0 x16 is what you need for low/mid end gpu with 4 GB of VRAM, but amd doesn't want to make it real.

 

[TheLostSwede]

All in all, feels pretty familiar from AM4. I'm not concerned with the hardware, more with how AMD plans to improve their overall poopy approach to firmware/software. Hopefully AM5 is a new start for AGESA and they start taking a bit more initiative with ryzen master - the way they take 1 step forward and 2 steps back, that laptop and desktop marketshare ain't going anywhere

I guess they won't start from scratch, but they obviously don't need any kind of backwards compatibility, since you can't plonk an AM4 CPU into an AM5 board.
As someone that jumped on X370 and X570 early on, the AGESA really is AMD's weakness, as in the first case it took about nine months to get an almost fully working platform as promised and in the second case it took six months.
That said, it seems like Intel has been getting a bit sloppy with their UEFI builds at launch too, but that doesn't mean AMD should be allowed to get away with it.
Consumers shouldn't be beta testers every time a new product is launched.

 

[ARF]

PCI-E 5.0 x16 is what you need for low/mid end gpu with 4 GB of VRAM, but amd doesn't want to make it real.

The scary thing here is if AMD decided to make the Radeon RX 7400 with PCIe 5 x2 connectivity. Then we are all screwed all along

 

[Ferrum Master]

Consumers shouldn't be beta testers every time a new product is launched.

It has become an ill trend everywhere, software and HW... I almost have a feeling they do it on purpose to cut prices.

 

[ARF]

It has become an ill trend everywhere, software and HW... I almost have a feeling they do it on purpose to cut prices.

But they don't cut the prices, they keep them at the same levels, while significantly decrease the overall quality of the SW/HW...

 

[Ferrum Master]

But they don't cut the prices, they keep them at the same levels, while significantly decrease the overall quality of the SW/HW...

Cut prices ie labor cost for themselves to increase margin... If you didn't get the idea.

 

[zlobby]

I also feel it won't be enough especially if the rumored 10-15% ST performance improvements for Raptor Lake are true...

You buy CPU for their spec sheet or to get a job done? If it is the latter, then there are other CPU and solutions that are fater than Raptor Lake.
And that is a big 'if'. Intel really don't show much performance uplift gen-over-gen.

 

[Richards]

This footnote is for a Ryzen 6000 slide btw

https://imgur.com/LPJo6lS

For me too, finally people don't complain about my reviews being terrible, because I'm mentioning "no IGP"

You should switch to the 5800x3d for gpu tests. Its 15% faster than your current 5800x

 

[zlobby]

Cut prices ie labor cost for themselves to increase margin... If you didn't get the idea.

People shoul really get in their thick skulls - companies optimize their expenses ONLY to increase profit margins.

 

[tabascosauz]

I guess they won't start from scratch, but they obviously don't need any kind of backwards compatibility, since you can't plonk an AM4 CPU into an AM5 board.
As someone that jumped on X370 and X570 early on, the AGESA really is AMD's weakness, as in the first case it took about nine months to get an almost fully working platform as promised and in the second case it took six months.
That said, it seems like Intel has been getting a bit sloppy with their UEFI builds at launch too, but that doesn't mean AMD should be allowed to get away with it.
Consumers shouldn't be beta testers every time a new product is launched.

The hardware makes me want to stay, because everything is familiar and we get better/more affordable/more balanced ITX boards and the Impact (I fear what 2 x PCH means for the Impact)......but man, the firmware just pulls me in the other direction. From 1004 up until 1203c we had a nice thing going, but AMD really been evaporating all our hopes with the AGESA since then (1207 seems finally okay again)

Perhaps it's a TSMC thing, but every one of their SKUs seems to improve SP significantly over time. Too eager on 3700X (mid-2019) and got garbage, too eager on 4650G and got bad SP, too eager on 5900X and got a bad clocking sample, too eager on 5700G and got bad IF. Maybe I'll wait it out.

 

[Richards]

Raptor lake will eat it up on single performance.. meteor lake will increase the gap to 45% in single core performance before they respond with zen 5

 

[W1zzard]

You should switch to the 5800x3d for gpu tests. Its 15% faster than your current 5800x

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review - The Magic of 3D V-Cache

The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the company's new flagship gaming processor. It introduces 3D V-Cache, a dedicated piece of silicon with additional L3 capacity. In our review, we're testing how much the larger cache can help intensive gaming workloads and applications and compare it to the Intel Core...

www.techpowerup.com

Kinda wrong thread, but I will upgrade the GPU test system this year, whether 12900K, 5800X3D, 7800X or 7900X I don't know yet. "it's easy just switch" takes about two weeks of full-time testing, running benchmarks all day, same scenes over and over again.

 

[TheLostSwede]

The hardware makes me want to stay, because everything is familiar and we get better/more affordable/more balanced ITX boards and the Impact (I fear what 2 x PCH means for the Impact)......but man, the firmware just pulls me in the other direction. From 1004 up until 1203c we had a nice thing going, but AMD really been evaporating all our hopes with the AGESA since then (1207 seems finally okay again)

Perhaps it's a TSMC thing, but every one of their SKUs seems to improve SP significantly over time. Too eager on 3700X (mid-2019) and got garbage, too eager on 4650G and got bad SP, too eager on 5900X and got a bad clocking sample, too eager on 5700G and got bad IF. Maybe I'll wait it out.

AMD has a different solution for mini-ITX boards. You'll see soon enough.

I'm not jumping on anything new this year, besides I only recently upgraded to a 5800X as the prices dropped below MSRP locally, which is really quite rare.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review - The Magic of 3D V-Cache

The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the company's new flagship gaming processor. It introduces 3D V-Cache, a dedicated piece of silicon with additional L3 capacity. In our review, we're testing how much the larger cache can help intensive gaming workloads and applications and compare it to the Intel Core...

www.techpowerup.com

Kinda wrong thread, but I will upgrade the GPU test system this year, whether 12900K, 5800X3D, 7800X or 7900X I don't know yet. "it's easy just switch" takes about two weeks of full-time testing, running benchmarks all day, same scenes over and over again.

You mean to say that you have a life outside of running benchmarks all day?

 

[Jermelescu]

Hope they'll have Thunderbolt on the mobile versions. I'd love an slim AMD APU laptop that could use an external gpu for more serious gaming.

 

[gasolina]

15% single core boost with 5.4ghz vs the old one 4,9ghz as expected to be around 17% not over 19 or 20%+ , and by clock different it's is 10% in clock speed thus only 5-7% improvement clock to clock. I would skip this crap this happen just like from zen to zen+ and this is zen4+ on 6nm. And on the same thing will happen to raptor lake roughly 3% -5% clock to clock improvement but i'm a bit more curious about intel power consumption for the 13th gen ( i love number 13th )

 

[Ferrum Master]

AMD has a different solution for mini-ITX boards. You'll see soon enough.

I'm not jumping on anything new this year, besides I only recently upgraded to a 5800X as the prices dropped below MSRP locally, which is really quite rare.


You mean to say that you have a life outside of running benchmarks all day?

Hey, you should update your CPU-Z banner...

First gens always were raw... DDR5. AM5, well there are no real PCIe gen 4 or 5 devices to skip really, besides storage and unobtainium GPU's. Year or two is a norm IMHO, just because of the open Beta test.

 

[ARF]

Cut prices ie labor cost for themselves to increase margin... If you didn't get the idea.

Prices is for the end user who buys in the retail shop. Cut costs is something else irrelevant. Choose your wording properly..

 

[TheLostSwede]

Hope they'll have Thunderbolt on the mobile versions. I'd love an slim AMD APU laptop that could use an external gpu for more serious gaming.

There's USB4 support, which means Thunderbolt 3 is supported.

Hey, you should update your CPU-Z banner...

Better?

First gens always were raw... DDR5. AM5, well there are no real PCIe gen 4 or 5 devices to skip really, besides storage and unobtainium GPU's. Year or two is a norm IMHO, just because of the open Beta test.

Yeah, I really hope, for AMD's sake, that they don't do that again, as it really doesn't help them in terms of winning over customers.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Prices is for the end user who buys in the retail shop. Cut costs is something else irrelevant. Choose your wording properly..

Dude, I barely decipher what your idea is only guess. But free market always care for margin, cutting costs always mean getting lower BOM/labor costs for the device itself and it is cutting costs/price, thinking about the last bit, how much customer pays is all dependent from various bits past the maker, ie distribution net, logistics, taxes etc, seeing from your perspective and treat it with some socialist logic ain't meant here and it is not irrelevant. We speak about the makers themselves and deciding to deploy a raw product it is meant only about maker and their margin. The cut is unwelcome and common trend, thus my remark.

I have to admit that hardware and software complexity has really risen and you cant really compare it with like products from 10 years ago. It really takes longer to get things run... AGESA development wasn't smooth for sure.

 

[Verpal]

DDR5 only.... well I hope the DDR4 to DDR5 transition would become smoother in next few months, since platform cost can be quite steep even if you are upgrading from AM4.

 

[Wirko]

Performance seems promising, hopefully the mid and low end offers are reasonable.

I think the mid and low end will stay on AM4 + DDR4 for quite some time - I mean a year or more. There's a reason AMD launched several AM4 processors in April 2022.

 

[GoldenX]

I think the mid and low end will stay on AM4 + DDR4 for quite some time - I mean a year or more. There's a reason AMD launched several AM4 processors in April 2022.

While I would agree, only the 5600 is a valid option, the rest are overshadowed by Gen 10 low end offerings, not to say Gen 12 ones.

 

[ARF]

Dude, I barely decipher what your idea is only guess.

My idea is that the maker can cut the costs (BOM) but increase the end user prices. This is exactly what happens in reality.

 

[AlwaysHope]

I was thinking of going to ADL now with more of it's bugs ironed out with bios updates so far, also same with win 11.... however... I'm keen to know when AM5 will actually be launched for retail globally?
Watching the DDR5 market indicates prices are coming down in my part of the world, ever so slowly, but by the time AM5 is really actually available I presume the kits will be cheaper still.
Also, happy my AM4 cooler mounting kits will work on AM5!