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Sennheiser's MOMENTUM range continues to redefine the standard for sophisticated listening through superior sound. Now, the new MOMENTUM 4 Wireless raises the bar even higher, with best-in-class sound, advanced Adaptive Noise Cancellation and exceptional comfort. With smart, intuitive features that enhance every interaction and an outstanding battery life of up to 60 hours, there's nothing between users and an incredible listening experience.

"Our MOMENTUM range has always set the standard for sophisticated listening with superior sound," says Christian Ern, Sennheiser Principal Product Manager Consumer Headphones. "The new MOMENTUM 4 Wireless once again raises the bar - delivering best-in-class sound quality with advanced Adaptive Noise Cancellation and exceptional comfort. Thanks to features including Transparency Mode, Built-in EQ and a new Sound Personalization feature, users can listen in their own customized way."




Experience superior sound, hear every detail
MOMENTUM 4 Wireless delivers Sennheiser's Signature Sound that surpasses everything in its class - letting users enjoy their music as never before. Thanks to an audiophile-inspired acoustic system powered by a 42 mm transducer, the MOMENTUM 4 Wireless provides brilliant dynamics, clarity and musicality. Its next generation Adaptive Noise Cancellation ensures users stay immersed, hearing every thrilling detail even in noisy environments.

Alternatively, when users need to talk to others or hear surrounding sounds without removing their MOMENTUM 4 Wireless, the versatile Transparency Mode lets them hear outside sounds through the headphones at a touch. And for a truly tailored experience, the Sennheiser Smart Control app makes it easy to customize the sound using the Built-in EQ, sound modes and the new Sound Personalization feature. This assesses the user's listening preferences and adjusts the listening experience according to their taste.

With the MOMENTUM 4 Wireless every interaction is effortless. Calls and voice assistant interaction is incredibly natural and disturbance-free thanks to an advanced 2x2 digital beamforming microphone array and automatic wind noise suppression, which guarantees superior voice pick-up.

Enjoy exceptional comfort
The MOMENTUM 4 Wireless defines elegance with an all-new design that perfectly balances exceptional comfort and streamlined style. For all-day use without fatigue, it combines lightweight with a richly padded headband and deep cushioned earpads. Meanwhile, the low-friction hinge mechanism easily adjusts to guarantee a great fit without placing excess pressure on the user's head. The fold-flat design is also comfortable when worn around the neck and can be easily slipped into a bag or backpack in the slim case when on the go.

An effortlessly smart user experience
With an outstanding battery life of up to 60 hours and fast charging capability that can provide a further six hours listening in just 10 minutes, MOMENTUM 4 Wireless keeps the entertainment coming for long listening sessions and long-haul travel alike. Every interaction is effortless, and every need anticipated: Smart Pause halts playback when the headphones are taken off and resumes when placed back on the ears, so users never miss a beat, while Auto On/Off rapidly powers up the headset when it's picked up and shuts down to save energy when not in use.

The touchpad interface of the MOMENTUM 4 Wireless, combined with voice and sound prompts, make controlling music, calls and voice assistants intuitive and easy to navigate. Set up is also simple thanks to Bluetooth device management that allows multiple devices to be connected at the same time.

Pricing and availability
The Sennheiser MOMENTUM 4 Wireless will be available for pre-order globally on August 9, 2022, and for sale from August 23, with an MSRP of $349.95 USD.

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All that marketing BS of best-in-class wireless prowess but there is still ZERO mention of bluetooth LOSSLESS audio support. Failed!

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I think it could be worth to review it, is the sound really better than others, I afraid the "noise canceling" is only medi core. It has Bluetooth Multipoint connection [2 Devices with BT 5.2]
 
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All that marketing BS of best-in-class wireless prowess but there is still ZERO mention of bluetooth LOSSLESS audio support. Failed!

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Lossless over Bluetooth is impossible.
 
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Lossless over Bluetooth is impossible.
Not true. That was never true. It was just a bunch of old-school so-called audiophile haters (the absolute worse folks ever) pushing feud for years due to most of them just being afraid that their thousands of dollars monitors would be put to shame by monitors for a fraction of the price.
 
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Not true. That was never true. It was just a bunch of old-school so-called audiophile haters (the absolute worse folks ever) pushing feud for years due to most of them just being afraid that their thousands of dollars monitors would be put to shame by monitors for a fraction of the price.
BT as protocol is not capable of it, it was never geared towards such needs actually. No ASIC has such decoding features nor OS support, all codecs are lossy.
 

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Not true. That was never true. It was just a bunch of old-school so-called audiophile haters (the absolute worse folks ever) pushing feud for years due to most of them just being afraid that their thousands of dollars monitors would be put to shame by monitors for a fraction of the price.
Of course it's true, Bluetooth doesn't have the bandwidth, as at most, you can push ~2 Mbps over Bluetooth, how are you going to push lossless audio over that?
There is no Bluetooth audio codec that doesn't send compressed audio, so there's the first lossy part.
It's nothing about being haters or audiophile, it's about technology limitations.
 
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BT as protocol is not capable of it, it was never geared towards such needs actually. No ASIC has such decoding features nor OS support, all codecs are lossy.

Sure. That's why you are on a forum refuting the facts rather than working as an engineer at Qualcomm, etc. raising the bar, huh?! Gotcha!

Of course it's true, Bluetooth doesn't have the bandwidth, as at most, you can push ~2 Mbps over Bluetooth, how are you going to push lossless audio over that?
There is no Bluetooth audio codec that doesn't send compressed audio, so there's the first lossy part.
It's nothing about being haters or audiophile, it's about technology limitations.

Again, not true. The "limits" are laziness and market fearmongering, as here as a great blueprint.
 

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Sure. That's why you are on a forum refuting the facts rather than working as an engineer at Qualcomm, etc. raising the bar, huh?! Gotcha!

Again, not true. The "limits" are laziness and market fearmongering, as here as a great blueprint.
Ok dude...
I have worked in product development and have been involved in developing Bluetooth, WiFi, ZigBee and Z-Wave products, so yeah, I have worked with the companies that makes these chips and no, it's not possible due to the limitations of the Bluetooth standard.
Have you tried using LDAC for one? It's the closest you get today, but it has plenty of issues, such as cutting out very easily if the distance between your phone and headphones is more than about half a meter at the best quality setting.
So no, not all of us are just on a forum refuting things, some of us have actually worked with the technology.
 
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Ok dude...
I have worked in product development and have been involved in developing Bluetooth, WiFi, ZigBee and Z-Wave products, so yeah, I have worked with the companies that makes these chips and no, it's not possible due to the limitations of the Bluetooth standard.
Have you tried using LDAC for one? It's the closest you get today, but it has plenty of issues, such as cutting out very easily if the distance between your phone and headphones is more than about half a meter at the best quality setting.
So no, not all of us are just on a forum refuting things, some of us have actually worked with the technology.

I just love when someone "claim" that they've been doing something for so long of a time... ...and my answer is always this... that is obviously how long you've been doing it... WRONG.

Oh, one more thing, just in case you'd missed it in my early post:


But... I'm sure that you are right compared to the audio researchers and scientists at Qualcomm, etc., right?!
 

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I just love when someone "claim" that they've been doing something for so long of a time... ...and my answer is always this... that is obviously how long you've been doing it... WRONG.

Oh, one more thing, just in case you'd missed it in my early post:


But... I'm sure that you are right compared to the audio researchers and scientists at Qualcomm, etc., right?!
There are ways to do lossless over wireless, just not over the supported Bluetooth codecs that are following the 2 Mbps data limit of Bluetooth.
Of course you can do lossless if you step outside of that limitation, but then it's no longer Bluetooth, it's something else.
aptX Adaptive is NOT lossless. It's an on the fly adaptive audio codec that's superior to previous generations of aptX in most regards, but no, not lossless.

I can see Apple making their own, superset of Bluetooth that can do lossless audio, it's really not hard, but you're confusing two different things.
 
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There are ways to do lossless over wireless, just not over the supported Bluetooth codecs that are following the 2 Mbps data limit of Bluetooth.
Of course you can do lossless if you step outside of that limitation, but then it's no longer Bluetooth, it's something else.
aptX Adaptive is NOT lossless. It's an on the fly adaptive audio codec that's superior to previous generations of aptX in most regards, but no, not lossless.

I can see Apple making their own, superset of Bluetooth that can do lossless audio, it's really not hard, but you're confusing two different things.

I do not have to do much to prove that your impression is just untrue.

Qualcomm has not only one chip but they have two chips that deliver lossless audio over bluetooth.


 

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I do not have to do much to prove that your impression is just untrue.

Qualcomm has not only one chip but they have two chips that deliver lossless audio over bluetooth.


Sorry, but your ability to actually read and comprehend what you just read seems to be lacking.
That is about aptX Adaptive, which as per my link, isn't lossless, whatever the writer in that article has decided to call it.
 
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Sorry, but your ability to actually read and comprehend what you just read seems to be lacking.
That is about aptX Adaptive, which as per my link, isn't lossless, whatever the writer in that article has decided to call it.

Bahaha! What?! So, CD-Quality+ audio is not lossless now?!

Alllriggghty, then! :roll:
 
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Just want to say this really does not help at all, "lossless" in general is such a pointless term.
So what if there is some loss? are you going to hear it? I highly doubt it....

and there is so much more to audio then the way its transmitted internally, if you put different headphones in an amp that has the same source aka no difference in source sound, then they will all sound different.
Switch out the amp and it might be of influence as well...does it matter? that is an entirely different story, different sound does not mean better or worse, it just means different.

So if bluetooth can support lossless is entirely irrelevant, this headphone wont have the same reproduction for sound as a top of the line DanClarkAudio, Focal, Audeze, or even Sennheiser themselves and for most that does not matter at all.... (heck even the prowess of high end headphones can be questioned with how gullible "audiophiles" are, not to mention personal taste)
 

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Bahaha! What?! So, CD-Quality+ audio is not lossless now?!

Alllriggghty, then! :roll:
Well, that's the generally used comparison.
All wireless headphones using Bluetooth will deliver lower quality than CD audio, so it's not considered lossless.

Oh and by the by, the headphones you're mad at that this news post is about, supports aptX Adaptive and most likely uses one of those chipsets mentioned in your link above.

Just want to say this really does not help at all, "lossless" in general is such a pointless term.
So what if there is some loss? are you going to hear it? I highly doubt it....

and there is so much more to audio then the way its transmitted internally, if you put different headphones in an amp that has the same source aka no difference in source sound, then they will all sound different.
Switch out the amp and it might be of influence as well...does it matter? that is an entirely different story, different sound does not mean better or worse, it just means different.

So if bluetooth can support lossless is entirely irrelevant, this headphone wont have the same reproduction for sound as a top of the line DanClarkAudio, Focal, Audeze, or even Sennheiser themselves and for most that does not matter at all.... (heck even the prowess of high end headphones can be questioned with how gullible "audiophiles" are, not to mention personal taste)
Just got some $35 earbuds, that sound surprisingly well and does, according the the manufacturer, incorporate a balanced armature, which is kind of insane for the price, plus a 12 mm dynamic driver, which gives them a surprising amount of bass. Good for electronic music, but I'm guessing they'll sound so-so with other types of music, but we'll see.
 
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There are ways to do lossless over wireless, just not over the supported Bluetooth codecs that are following the 2 Mbps data limit of Bluetooth.
Of course you can do lossless if you step outside of that limitation, but then it's no longer Bluetooth, it's something else.
aptX Adaptive is NOT lossless. It's an on the fly adaptive audio codec that's superior to previous generations of aptX in most regards, but no, not lossless.

I can see Apple making their own, superset of Bluetooth that can do lossless audio, it's really not hard, but you're confusing two different things.

According to Ye Olde Wiki, CD audio is about 1.4 Mbps. Does transport take the rest of the bandwidth? It's a bit surprising to me that there'd be 600Kbps of overhead in BT.
 
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Does anyone know if these support "AptX LowLatency"? Very few headphones seem to. On the specs page they only list AptX and AptX Adaptive, yet on the older Momentum 3 models they do specifically list AptX Low Latency. This makes me think for some reason Sennheiser dropped that support on the new model? Im on the hunt for a pair that will sound good and support AptX LL for pairing to a transmitter attached to a TV for late night listening without being a nuisance to the next bedroom.
 
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Does anyone know if these support "AptX LowLatency"? Very few headphones seem to. On the specs page they only list AptX and AptX Adaptive, yet on the older Momentum 3 models they do specifically list AptX Low Latency. This makes me think for some reason Sennheiser dropped that support on the new model? Im on the hunt for a pair that will sound good and support AptX LL for pairing to a transmitter attached to a TV for late night listening without being a nuisance to the next bedroom.
isnt that the same thing? Aptx specifically refers to the latency I thought.
 
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isnt that the same thing? Aptx specifically refers to the latency I thought.
Your reply got me thinking about it, so I googled "Is AptX Adaptive the same as AptX Low Latency" and got the answer that Adaptive does incorporate LL mode as it dynamically selects what mode to use. So yes it seems you were onto the right track.
Unfortunately I'm not sure I can really rely on it selecting Low Latency mode always. When looking for more info, I see that it says Adaptive will automatically use Low Latency mode but will switch to a less lossy codec when there is a more stable connection available. The official specs also say that Adaptive has an average latency of 80ms, when the older LL mode is a maximum of 40ms, which is what I need. I'm not sure it is worth gambling with a $350 pair of headphone that will sometimes choose HD mode over LL when I only want the low latency for watching TV with them, especially if Adaptive may not even be capable of getting down low enough no matter what. Probably safer for me to try and find someone with stock still on the Momentum 3's instead.
 
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Does anyone know if these support "AptX LowLatency"? Very few headphones seem to. On the specs page they only list AptX and AptX Adaptive, yet on the older Momentum 3 models they do specifically list AptX Low Latency. This makes me think for some reason Sennheiser dropped that support on the new model? Im on the hunt for a pair that will sound good and support AptX LL for pairing to a transmitter attached to a TV for late night listening without being a nuisance to the next bedroom.
No, they don't, only aptX and aptX Adaptive, which is backwards compatible with aptX HD, but not aptX LL.
aptX Adaptive is said to have a hardware transmit latency of around 80 ms, with LL being 40 ms. Apparently LL requires a dedicated antenna, which is why it's not implemented in most products.
isnt that the same thing? Aptx specifically refers to the latency I thought.
No, atpX LL is a specific implementation.
See:

According to Ye Olde Wiki, CD audio is about 1.4 Mbps. Does transport take the rest of the bandwidth? It's a bit surprising to me that there'd be 600Kbps of overhead in BT.
Bluetooth actually has about 1 Mbps of overheads, but these aren't included in the 2 Mbps data rate.
I'm not sure why it's not possible, as in theory it should, but alas. I've seen a demo by NordicSemi where they have sent video over Bluetooth over a distance of 1 km, admittedly over a frozen over lake, but even so.
Someone wrote a research paper explaining the payloads of aptX:
 
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Why are company making less travel-friendly Headphones suddenly?
Companies I presume you mean, as Sony and Bose has done exactly the same thing.
 
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All that marketing BS of best-in-class wireless prowess but there is still ZERO mention of bluetooth LOSSLESS audio support. Failed!

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Anybody who cares about lossless or quality audio isn't using wireless anything to start with so who cares.
 
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Anybody who cares about lossless or quality audio isn't using wireless anything to start with so who cares.
Thanks for your ~ unfounded biased opinion ~ that finalizes MY LISTENING EXPERIENCES towards yours and thank you for saving me from myself WITH MY PURCHASING DECISIONS that you are not contributing one freaking penny to.

How could I ever manage in life without your diluted insight... for decades?! :laugh:
 
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