Announcing the TechPowerUp SSD Specs Database

[_JP_]

These older Samsung drives i didnt add because i couldn't find any decent data on their NAND Dies

So, effectively, that is one of the requirements you need to make the database entry. Got it!

 

[GabrielLP14]

So, effectively, that is one of the requirements you need to make the database entry. Got it!

Not necessarily, I can make an entrance saying it just uses "TLC" dies but will be quite empty :/
i think i have an example here on a more recent SSD one sec

ADATA Project Nightbird 1 TB Specs

1 TB, TLC, PCIe 5.0 x4, M.2 2280

www.techpowerup.com

Looks empty don't you think?

 

[_JP_]

Well, that one is unreleased, but I agree.
I just figured that between you and W1zzard would have set a minimum of data available - like if one doesn't own the SSD to dump a VLO and take pics, but can access datasheets with some detail - to make it an eligible entry for the database.
From those datasheets, even from manufacturer to manufacturer, they differ. Transcend does not list the controller, amongst other fine details, and Samsung provides more info one the OEM drives, than on the consumer ones (I've also grown frustrated by this, to always require a test drive to disassemble first, then buy a batch of the same SKU). So my question was if the "least" detailed were still eligible for an entry, even if more data would be shared in the long run.

 

[GabrielLP14]

Well, that one is unreleased, but I agree.
I just figured that between you and W1zzard would have set a minimum of data available - like if one doesn't own the SSD to dump a VLO and take pics, but can access datasheets with some detail - to make it an eligible entry for the database.
From those datasheets, even from manufacturer to manufacturer, they differ. Transcend does not list the controller, amongst other fine details, and Samsung provides more info one the OEM drives, than on the consumer ones (I've also grown frustrated by this, to always require a test drive to disassemble first, then buy a batch of the same SKU). So my question was if the "least" detailed were still eligible for an entry, even if more data would be shared in the long run.

Yes, i'll sure add them, might just take a few hours though
I don't think we need a "minimum requirement" to add, if i want to add a drive just saying test drive, i'd just need to fill necessary things like, capacity, and basic things like that

 

[Wirko]

hmm ... how would you adjust the ranges?

Under 60 GB
60 GB ... 119 GB
120 GB ... 239 GB
240 GB ... 479 GB
480 GB ... 959 GB
960 GB ... 1.8 TB
1.9 TB ... 3.7 TB
3.8 TB ... 7.5 TB
7.6 TB and more

For example, the 960 GB ... 1.8 TB option would find everything around 1 TB but nothing around 2 TB. Intermediate capacities like 1.5 TB don't matter, they are rare or nonexistent in consumer drives anyway.

Also, unless your aim is to build a database that goes very far back in history, the under 60 GB option isn't of much use.

 

[W1zzard]

Under 60 GB
60 GB ... 119 GB
120 GB ... 239 GB
240 GB ... 479 GB
480 GB ... 959 GB
960 GB ... 1.8 TB
1.9 TB ... 3.7 TB
3.8 TB ... 7.5 TB
7.6 TB and more

For example, the 960 GB ... 1.8 TB option would find everything around 1 TB but nothing around 2 TB. Intermediate capacities like 1.5 TB don't matter, they are rare or nonexistent in consumer drives anyway.

Also, unless your aim is to build a database that goes very far back in history, the under 60 GB option isn't of much use.

Good suggestions, thanks! I think we can go with just "Under 120 GB" for now

Some additional data, because I was wondering about the same thing

https://imgur.com/T2icXIx

 

[Kapone33]

Most of my drives are Micron 96 or 176 layer. It really shows the controller's importance when my budget 2 TB SSD has the same flash as a PCIe 4.0 drive that is 10x faster in sequential.

 

[GabrielLP14]

In the same motif: PM981 'MZVLB'
These are more on the generic-side of datasheets, but still useful?: Samsung 830, 840 EVO, 840 EVO (Page 7), 750 EVO
Additionally: Transcend 370S, HSD370.

For some of these I'll try to get a VLO and pics.

The "PM981" was added

Samsung PM981 1 TB Specs

1 TB, TLC, PCIe 3.0 x4, M.2 2280

www.techpowerup.com

 

[NoneRain]

Great stuff!!

 

[GabrielLP14]

Great stuff!!

Thank you

 

[Ferrum Master]

Thank you

I too lazy... I took first drive and it wasn't in the list. What and where add? Is there a form or something?

 

[GabrielLP14]

I too lazy... I took first drive and it wasn't in the list. What and where add? Is there a form or something?

Hmm sorry man i didnt understand what you mean? You tried searching for some drive?

 

[Ferrum Master]

Hmm sorry man i didnt understand what you mean? You tried searching for some drive?

I am asking for the contribute button lol

Is there some sort of form or something like that, you will get buried in emails otherwise.

I have a Toshiba drive lying around now. Specs of IC's? Nude shots? Benchmarks?

 

[chrcoluk]

Please add SLC cache size, also will this include bait and switch revisions?

 

[Wirko]

Do we know with any certainty which companies actually make NAND packages (buy wafers and do the dicing, binning, thinning, packaging, testing, marking, in at least six facilities on at least three continents) and which ones just rebrand those packages (erasing, marking, two continents)?

One example: as W1zzard states in his review of the HP FX900, "The two flash chips are Micron 176-layer 3D TLC NAND. They have been rebranded by BIWIN, who's manufacturing this drive for HP. BIWIN buys the wafer from Micron, cuts and test the individual dies, and then packages them into their own chips." Meanwhile, in the database it's "Rebranded: BW29F4T08ENLEE".

There may be many cases like this, and it's not fair to call them rebrands.

 

[GabrielLP14]

I am asking for the contribute button lol

Is there some sort of form or something like that, you will get buried in emails otherwise.

I have a Toshiba drive lying around now. Specs of IC's? Nude shots? Benchmarks?

You can use these softwares depending on the controller and send me the VLO.txt it generates so i can populate the DB

http://vlo.name:3000/ssdtool/

Please add SLC cache size, also will this include bait and switch revisions?

I always add, please remember that manufacturers don't share this information, only reviewers do, and most reviewers don't even test these data, and different SSD revisions might have different cache sizes, so thats why it's not listed, because we don't know

Do we know with any certainty which companies actually make NAND packages (buy wafers and do the dicing, binning, thinning, packaging, testing, marking, in at least six facilities on at least three continents) and which ones just rebrand those packages (erasing, marking, two continents)?

One example: as W1zzard states in his review of the HP FX900, "The two flash chips are Micron 176-layer 3D TLC NAND. They have been rebranded by BIWIN, who's manufacturing this drive for HP. BIWIN buys the wafer from Micron, cuts and test the individual dies, and then packages them into their own chips." Meanwhile, in the database it's "Rebranded: BW29F4T08ENLEE".

There may be many cases like this, and it's not fair to call them rebrands.

Yes
Samsung
YMTC
Kioxia (Toshiba/WD/SanDisk)
SK Hynix
Micron/Intel

Do we know with any certainty which companies actually make NAND packages (buy wafers and do the dicing, binning, thinning, packaging, testing, marking, in at least six facilities on at least three continents) and which ones just rebrand those packages (erasing, marking, two continents)?

One example: as W1zzard states in his review of the HP FX900, "The two flash chips are Micron 176-layer 3D TLC NAND. They have been rebranded by BIWIN, who's manufacturing this drive for HP. BIWIN buys the wafer from Micron, cuts and test the individual dies, and then packages them into their own chips." Meanwhile, in the database it's "Rebranded: BW29F4T08ENLEE".

There may be many cases like this, and it's not fair to call them rebrands.

Biwin rebrands it, Micron manufactures the dies, SpecTek usually have lower binned dies

 

[W1zzard]

Please add SLC cache size

I guess what we could add is that we show "SLC Cache: Yes, Size: Unknown", when we know that it has caching, but we don't know the exact size?

 

[chrcoluk]

I guess what we could add is that we show "SLC Cache: Yes, Size: Unknown", when we know that it has caching, but we don't know the exact size?

That would be awesome.

 

[Mussels]

That's actually a fantastic idea that I can use in a couple of other places


"w/" means "with", and "w/o" means "without" .. i think .. any native speakers?

/w with, /wo or w/o work for without

 

[W1zzard]

/w with, /wo or w/o work for without

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=without+abbreviation

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I wouldn't bother abbreviating with
Only without and yes that would often be w/o but see, with is only one more letter and is clear as day by meaning no need for mapping meaning of it now

 

[GabrielLP14]

In the same motif: PM981 'MZVLB'
These are more on the generic-side of datasheets, but still useful?: Samsung 830, 840 EVO, 840 EVO (Page 7), 750 EVO
Additionally: Transcend 370S, HSD370.

For some of these I'll try to get a VLO and pics.

Samsumg 830 Series Added

Samsung 830 512 GB Specs

512 GB, MLC, SATA 6 Gbps, 2.5"

www.techpowerup.com

@_JP_ Samsung 750 EVO also added

Samsung 750 EVO 500 GB Specs

500 GB, MLC, SATA 6 Gbps, 2.5"

www.techpowerup.com

I'll focus now on these transcend drives

Transcend SSD370S added

Transcend SSD370S 1 TB Specs

1 TB, MLC, SATA 6 Gbps, 2.5"

www.techpowerup.com

 

[GabrielLP14]

Does anyone here have the Datasheet for the Samsung 470 series SSDs?

 

[Wirko]

Does anyone here have the Datasheet for the Samsung 470 series SSDs?

Not the datasheet but a review with some manufacturer's data and interior pics

Samsung 470 Series 256 GB SSD Review (30nm) - The SSD Review

The Samsung 470 Series SSD is the top performing SSD tested since our first was published in 2007. I

www.thessdreview.com

and some more data (exact model of controller and flash chips)

No such wiki - ShoutWiki Hub

en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com

 

[GabrielLP14]

Not the datasheet but a review with some manufacturer's data and interior pics

Samsung 470 Series 256 GB SSD Review (30nm) - The SSD Review

The Samsung 470 Series SSD is the top performing SSD tested since our first was published in 2007. I

www.thessdreview.com

and some more data (exact model of controller and flash chips)

No such wiki - ShoutWiki Hub

en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com

Thank you.
I'll see what i can do, it's really difficult to get detailed information on these older planar NANDs
One of the issue is some sites claim it's Samsung 30nm and others claim 32nm lol

So far that's what i've been able to dig

Samsung 470 Series 256 GB Specs

256 GB, MLC, SATA 3 Gbps, 2.5"

www.techpowerup.com

I just wish i knew how many planes there were in each of these dies, so i could calculate an average of throughput for each individual die since in their Datasheet they already stipulate close to 2ms of tPROG