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Seagate Handed $300 Million US Government Fine, Accused of Breaking Rules With HDD Exports to Huawei

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US authorities have imposed a $300 million penalty on Seagate Technology Holdings plc, a market leader in data storage solutions, for an alleged violation of export controls. The US Commerce Department has investigated the California-based company's business dealings with Chinese hardware firm Huawei Technologies Co. Limited, specifically for the sale of hard disk drives to operations within mainland China. It has found that Seagate has broken the "foreign direct product (FDP) rule" that was established by the US Government back in 2020. Seagate is said to have sold approximately 7.4 million hard drive units to Huawei after the period in which the new rulings took effect - the total value of these shipments was estimated in the region of $1.1 billion.

The US government's serving of a civil penalty to Seagate appears to be part of a larger drive to prevent North American tech companies from selling advanced computer equipment to Chinese firms. Two other suppliers (not named) of storage solutions had agreed to the government imposed terms and ceased trade with Huawei in 2020. In contrast, Seagate has seemingly become a record breaking heretic according to a statement released yesterday by the Bureau of Industry (BIS) and Security: "This historic foreign direct product enforcement case and settlement represents the largest standalone administrative penalty in BIS history. Today's resolution also includes a multi-year audit requirement and a five-year suspended Denial Order. In August 2020, the Bureau of Industry and Security imposed controls over certain foreign-produced items related to Huawei. Despite this, in September 2020, Seagate announced it would continue to do business with Huawei. Seagate did so despite the fact that its only two competitors had stopped selling HDDs to Huawei, resulting in Seagate becoming Huawei's sole source provider of HDDs."



Seagate has agreed to the terms and has reached a settlement agreement with the U.S. Department of Commerce. A company issued statement explains that by paying the $300 million fine it: "resolves BIS's allegations that Seagate's sales of hard disk drives to Huawei between August 17, 2020 and September 29, 2021 did not comply with the U.S. Export Administration Regulations. Under the terms of the settlement agreement, Seagate has agreed to pay $300 million to the U.S. Department of Commerce, to be paid in installments of $15 million per quarter over the course of five years, with the first installment due in October 2023. Additional information regarding the terms of the agreement is included in the Form 8-K that will be filed today with the Securities and Exchange Commission."

Dave Mosley, Seagate's chief executive officer shares a similar sentiment: "We believe entering this agreement with BIS and resolving this matter is in the best interest of Seagate, our customers and our shareholders. Integrity is one of our core values, and we have a strong commitment to compliance as evidenced by our global team of international trade compliance and legal professionals - complemented by external experts and outside counsel. While we believed we complied with all relevant export control laws at the time we made the hard disk drive sales at issue, we determined that engaging with BIS and settling this matter was the best course of action. We are now moving forward fully focused on executing our strong technology roadmap to support the growing demand for mass data storage solutions."



The US Government's statement also makes light of an increased suspicion around the strengthening of the Chinese military through technological advancements and upgrades to equipment. Matthew Axelrod, the Assistant Secretary for Export Enforcement at the BIS, had a few unkind words for the companies involved due to potential security risks posed by foreign agencies: "Even after Huawei was placed on the Entity List for conduct inimical to our national security, and its competitors had stopped selling to them due to our foreign direct product rule, Seagate continued sending hard disk drives to Huawei. Today's action is the consequence: the largest standalone administrative resolution in our agency's history. This settlement is a clarion call about the need for companies to comply rigorously with BIS export rules, as our enforcement team works to ensure both our national security and a level playing field."

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lol... glad I only buy WD drives these days
 
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I buy the Seagate Nas drives but still seems like a slap on the wrist.

And that was worth the fine just the cost of doing business.
 
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$1.1B worth of drives and they only got fined $300M....
 
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$1.1B in profit and they only got fined $300M....

"the total value of these shipments was estimated in the region of $1.1 billion."

Not profit but total value. Seagate's gross margin is 28.5% and the fine amounts to 27.27%, which means they made 1.23% gross margin after the fines on those drives. The fine could have been higher but let's not conflate figures here.
 
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^ Fair, and poor choice of wording on my part; regardless the fine should hurt more than that.
 

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^ Fair, and poor choice of wording on my point; regardless the fine should hurt more than that.

this is the normal way of things for all companies, like facebook and cambridge analytica only having to pay 725 million.

society has collapsed, imo USA is already a third world nation state, in many measurements. (its great if you are rich of course, but thats about it)


 
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From the OP:
"Dave Mosley, Seagate's chief executive officer shares a similar sentiment: "We believe entering this agreement with BIS and resolving this matter is in the best interest of Seagate, our customers and our shareholders. Integrity is one of our core values, and we have a strong commitment to compliance as evidenced by our global team of international trade compliance and legal professionals - complemented by external experts and outside counsel. While we believed we complied with all relevant export control laws at the time we made the hard disk drive sales at issue, we determined that engaging with BIS and settling this matter was the best course of action. We are now moving forward fully focused on executing our strong technology roadmap to support the growing demand for mass data storage solutions."
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I just LOVE this part - Integrity my ass.
Such spin & spewel about how they got caught.

Also says about a strong commitment and commenting on their "Legal Professionals".....
Looks like they need to get rid of a few (Maybe all of them) since they got wrong, evidenced by what happened per article subject.

Ever notice how the "Experts" always seem to get it wrong?
And not just with this either..... I mean with about everything it seems as of late.
I guess we'd need to redefine what an expert is, how it applies to the term and who qualifies.

As for who these "external experts and outside counsel" are, I can guess who they are.....
*Hint*: Chcoughinese experts and counsil advising them to just do it.

I'll sum it up in no uncertain terms:
They knew they would get fined and a 1.1B profit margin still means a cool 700M leftover after the fine was paid out.
I'm sure all of you can do the math that equals "CHA-CHING!!!!" which goes right back to my original point here.

Integrity my ass.... Yeah, right.
 
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this is the normal way of things for all companies, like facebook and cambridge analytica only having to pay 725 million.

society has collapsed, imo USA is already a third world nation state, in many measurements. (its great if you are rich of course, but thats about it)


This.

I'll be sure to prefer Seagate for my next builds. Anything that harms the American empire (which, to be VERY clear, is openly working against its own population) is good for me. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend, but they sure as hell aren't my enemy. And that means they're better than most corporations today.
 

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This.

I'll be sure to prefer Seagate for my next builds. Anything that harms the American empire (which, to be VERY clear, is openly working against its own population) is good for me. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend, but they sure as hell aren't my enemy. And that means they're better than most corporations today.

Backblaze consistently shows Seagate drives fail more often than WD drives, that's only reason I do WD drives, lol
 
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Weird there is no Chinese spinning rust manufacturer, there is dram and nand that can serve the internal market but no one to provide bulk storage.
 
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$1.1B worth of drives and they only got fined $300M....
In Australia they'd be fined maybe $10 million max. Scumbag companies factor it into the cost of doing business, they know the fines are a joke. A normal citizen ends up doing hard time, CEO's ring their local puppet er I mean politician and ask when they want to play golf next.
 
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doesn't China know how to make hdd's?! Aren't there other companies producing hdd's in china like Toshiba? Is this at all relevant? NO
 
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^ Fair, and poor choice of wording on my part; regardless the fine should hurt more than that.
I think it will once you take the bad publicity into account.
 
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