AMD Readies Ryzen 5 5600X3D to Take on Intel's 13th Gen Core i5 + DDR4 Options

[btarunr]

AMD is finally coming around to the idea of a 6-core processor with 3D Vertical Cache technology, only this time it's for the older Socket AM4 platform. The new Ryzen 5 5600X3D could be positioned competitively against the lower end of Intel's 13th Gen Core i5 processor series, so it could attract a class of DIY gaming PC builders that can take advantage of cheap Socket AM4 motherboards and DDR4 memory to build formidable mainstream gaming PC builds.

The Ryzen 5 5600X3D is based on the same "Vermeer" 3DV cache MCM as the 5800X3D. It is a 6-core/12-thread processor with a base frequency of 3.30 GHz, and 4.40 GHz boost, which are both 100 MHz less than those of the 5800X3D. The processor gets the full 96 MB of last-level cache (that's 32 MB of on-die L3 cache + 64 MB of 3DV cache), which the 5800X3D offers. It bears the OPN "100-000001176." The company didn't reveal pricing, but given that the 5800X3D can be had for as low as $290, the 5600X3D could possibly target a $200-225 price, making it an attractive option, given that you can pair it with even cheap B450 chipset motherboards priced well under $100, and 32 GB of DDR4 memory that can be had around the $60-mark. The 5600X3D could also provide an affordable upgrade path to those still on the AM4 platform, with Ryzen 3000-series processors.



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[Durvelle27]

AM4 still receiving life

awesome

 

[Nordic]

The cpu market is in a good place. There are good options for budget builds. Gpu market not so much

 

[LabRat 891]

Anything more solid on these beyond what @P4-630 posted here?

Ryzen 5600X3D coming soon?

It appears that AMD is considering, or has ever considered, a six-core variant of the Ryzen 5800X3D. A photo from insider @g01d3nm4ng0 shows the model number and specs of a Ryzen 5600X3D, with six cores and twelve threads.

www.techpowerup.com

I guess I'll do my own journalism. I haven't seen it posted anywhere here or videocardz else.

https://www.amd.com/content/dam/amd/en/documents/legal/product-master.pdf

Apr 2023 doc shows, something about that OPN.

 

[Hyderz]

i dont think the market needs the 5600x3d, just lower the 5800x3d price.. for am4 users.. and they be good for years to come

 

[LabRat 891]

i dont think the market needs the 5600x3d, just lower the 5800x3d price.. for am4 users.. and they be good for years to come

Undeniably, the octocore 5800x3d is a better 'forward-looking value' for an end-of-platform upgrade. TBQH, I was hoping we'd see 12- and 16- core X3D chips on AM4 before EoL.
I'm not seeing that happening, but I can probably afford a 5600X3D. I've already upgraded CPUs twice, tying my previous personal record upgrades-on-one-board.
It's silly, but having 3, affordable CPU upgrades, (all on one board) is cool IMO. (3600>5600>[5600X3D, maybe])

 

[kondamin]

When I first saw it on wccf I thought it was an am4 apu with 3d cache, I was kinda excited about that.

this is just getting rid of slightly defective products.

 

[CosmicWanderer]

Definitely picking this up to upgrade an old Ryzen 1800X system. Still on the original X370 chipset too. Hopefully Gigabyte releases BIOS updates to support it just as they did for the 5800X3D.

 

[Dirt Chip]

A great "farewell and good bye" gift from AMD to AM4.
I guess most potential games already upgraded by now but nonetheless it is wonderfull to see more AM4 option even after AM5 is well on track.

 

[Kirederf]

i dont think the market needs the 5600x3d, just lower the 5800x3d price.. for am4 users.. and they be good for years to come

Yeah I agree. I just upgraded my brothers R5 5600X to a R7 5800X3D. Got one for 291€. Almost the same price I paid for his 5600X 2 years ago…
This upgrade will last him years

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

Yeah, I've got a 2700x/470x system I'm trying to upgrade and I don't have the money for AM5 right now, so a 5800x3d would be a good stop gap and the 5600x3d being released might prevent that price from coming down more perhaps, we'll see though.

 

[R0H1T]

A great "farewell and good bye" gift from AMD to AM4.
I guess most potential games already upgraded by now but nonetheless it is wonderfull to see more AM4 option even after AM5 is well on track.

Five gens of CPU's on same socket, a minor record comparing to the likes of LGA 775 but something totally unheard of from team Blue in almost two decades!

 

[Od1sseas]

Too late.

 

[Kirederf]

Five gens of CPU's on same socket, a minor record comparing to the likes of LGA 775 but something totally unheard of from team Blue in almost two decades!

Some extra Meteor Lake or Arrow Lake delays and LGA1700 is getting close..

 

[Shtb]

Five gens of CPU's on same socket, a minor record comparing to the likes of LGA 775 but something totally unheard of from team Blue in almost two decades!

The new lines of processors for LGA775 had new requirements in terms of VRM, so they were not suitable for the old boards with 775.
For some reason you don't remember this.

 

[R0H1T]

Maybe because I only ever had one CPU/PC that decade & no internet at home till basically the last year?

 

[TechLurker]

Here's to hoping AMD does release a 5900X3D and 5950X3D in the end.

After all, they did prototype a 5900X3D as their X3D testbed, and they did mention in at least one slide they might port X3D to more AM4 designs besides 5800X3D, which is now being realized with this upcoming 5600X3D.

 

[tussinman]

i dont think the market needs the 5600x3d, just lower the 5800x3d price.. for am4 users.. and they be good for years to come

Yeah if they do end up doing the 5600x3d it would be nice but i'm a little surprised to be honest

5600 and 5600x are already sub $150 and matchup well with the 12100/13100/12400. Sub $200 5700 and 5700G are solid as well.

Their not exactly struggling with the sub $200 budget DDR4 crowd. 5800x3d like you said at a lower price like $235-255 would fill the last gap (12600/13400 price bracket which is still mostly ddr4)

 

[chrcoluk]

i dont think the market needs the 5600x3d, just lower the 5800x3d price.. for am4 users.. and they be good for years to come

They can maybe lower it dont think will ever see a 5800X3D for $200, so yes is a place for the 5600X3D

 

[Deleted member 185088]

i dont think the market needs the 5600x3d, just lower the 5800x3d price.. for am4 users.. and they be good for years to come

The 5800x3d is getting cheaper, I found it for 260$.

 

[LabRat 891]

The new lines of processors for LGA775 had new requirements in terms of VRM, so they were not suitable for the old boards with 775.
For some reason you don't remember this.

Except, there were multiple instances of mods and older chipset boards later 'updated' to support Core 2s.
-I can remember at least one ECS 945P mobo that 'could' run a Q6600.

Not terribly-dissimilar situation w/ AM4. Some early 300-series boards aren't 'great' on VRMs for the latest chips, and the 12- and 16- core varieties, even though they may have received support.

Edit: I forgot to mention... While it wasn't an issue in retail-channel boards, all early-OEM AM4 PCs had boards that could not support Ryzen, at all.

 

[Lew Zealand]

OK I always look for value and never pay for a top end product. I'm just cheap pennypinching value-obsessed so I would be the target person for this CPU. But as a serial 6-core buyer I don't see the value unless it costs a lot less than the 5800X3D which I doubt will happen considering the extra effort of 3D packaging. Under $200 could be reasonable but if you're going all the way to considering an X3D CPU over the already great value of the 5600 for gaming, you're at your Mobo's upgrade endpoint.

Who's gonna stop just short of the finish line and cheap out with 2 missing cores?

 

[Kapone33]

OK I always look for value and never pay for a top end product. I'm just cheap pennypinching value-obsessed so I would be the target person for this CPU. But as a serial 6-core buyer I don't see the value unless it costs a lot less than the 5800X3D which I doubt will happen considering the extra effort of 3D packaging. Under $200 could be reasonable but if you're going all the way to considering an X3D CPU over the already great value of the 5600 for gaming, you're at your Mobo's upgrade endpoint.

Who's gonna stop just short of the finish line and cheap out with 2 missing cores?

Users with 2600s, 3600s, 3300s, 3600s.

 

[alwayssts]

OK I always look for value and never pay for a top end product. I'm just cheap pennypinching value-obsessed so I would be the target person for this CPU. But as a serial 6-core buyer I don't see the value unless it costs a lot less than the 5800X3D which I doubt will happen considering the extra effort of 3D packaging. Under $200 could be reasonable but if you're going all the way to considering an X3D CPU over the already great value of the 5600 for gaming, you're at your Mobo's upgrade endpoint.

Who's gonna stop just short of the finish line and cheap out with 2 missing cores?

As I explained in way too long of post elsewhere in this forum, I think the 5600x3d would be 'good-enough' to pair with a 4090 (or next-gen equivalent) for the life of the PS5. I don't think you could say the same for a stock vanilla 5000.

That is an important factor to many people. Being 'good-enough', being 'stock', and as cheap as possible.

Stock chips above the 12/13400 are in a different performance bracket, one occupied by the very-same 5800x3d. I would argue the next bracket starts with the 7700x, and that's a completely different platform.

Obviously this doesn't account for overclocking, in which I think the vanilla 5000 will survive another generation (as others said, and I will echo/add the 5600 has been/continues to be a tremendous long-term value at ~4.7ghz) but would argue any cheap stock chip that performs above a 12/13400 is welcome and needed, especially for the legacy platform. AMD has long-needed to have competition here on a 'stock' performance/review chart, at the ~12600k or at least above the aforementioned, and they appeared pretty stubborn to plug the hole. While I think they were happy to fight lower-end parts with the value of the 5800x3d being in the next performance bracket, or off-load the 5000-series to value shoppers (overclockers), I think the recent price drops on the 12600k (Amazon had it for ~$194 at the end of March, and it has recently dropped to $200, with a stabalized price of less than $240) have forced their hand for an OOTB chip at that price/perf. I don't think they're willing to fight the 12600k with the 5800x3d at that price (perhaps below $250), and really don't have to do so, as this chip at stock should be 'good-enough', just like the overclocked 5000s but without hassle. That is the purpose of this.

For reference, click the price for the last 3 months.

Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor with Integrated Graphics and 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W

Amazon price tracking & price history for Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor with Integrated Graphics and 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W

camelcamelcamel.com

Note the current price includes a $12.34 rebate, bringing it to $203.98

(edit: I profusely apologize if that price history looks like ad, it's not intended to be. The intention is to show that since the end of last year it's been apparent they need a <$250 12600k competitor, now essentially $200.)

 

[Lew Zealand]

As I explained in way too long of post elsewhere in this forum, I think the 5600x3d would be 'good-enough' to pair with a 4090 (or next-gen equivalent) for the life of the PS5. I don't think you could say the same for a stock vanilla 5000.

That is an important factor to many people. Being 'good-enough', being 'stock', and as cheap as possible.

Stock chips above the 12/13400 are in a different performance bracket, one occupied by the very-same 5800x3d. I would argue the next bracket starts with the 7700x, and that's a completely different platform.

Obviously this doesn't account for overclocking, in which I think the vanilla 5000 will survive another generation (as others said, and I will echo/add the 5600 has been/continues to be a tremendous long-term value at ~4.7ghz) but would argue any cheap stock chip that performs above a 12/13400 is welcome and needed, especially for the legacy platform. AMD has long-needed to have competition here on a 'stock' performance/review chart, at the ~12600k or at least above the aforementioned, and they appeared pretty stubborn to plug the hole. While I think they were happy to fight lower-end parts with the value of the 5800x3d being in the next performance bracket, or off-load the 5000-series to value shoppers (overclockers), I think the recent price drops on the 12600k (Amazon had it for ~$194 at the end of March, and it has recently dropped to $200, with a stabalized price of less than $240) have forced their hand for an OOTB chip at that price/perf. I don't think they're willing to fight the 12600k with the 5800x3d at that price (perhaps below $250), and really don't have to do so, as this chip at stock should be 'good-enough', just like the overclocked 5000s but without hassle. That is the purpose of this.

For reference, click the price for the last 3 months.

Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor with Integrated Graphics and 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W

Amazon price tracking & price history for Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor with Integrated Graphics and 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W

camelcamelcamel.com

Note the current price includes a $12.34 rebate, bringing it to $203.98

(edit: I profusely apologize if that price history looks like ad, it's not intended to be. The intention is to show that since the end of last year it's been apparent they need a <$250 12600k competitor, now essentially $200.)

The 5800X is 8% behind the 12600K at 1080p, 5% at 1440p for the same price so the ~$200 AM4 shopper has an option already though it's a bit slower. This 5600X3D would probably push ahead of the 12600K but the utility of this processor for potential buyers is all about the price vs the 5800X3D and I simply do not see AMD pricing this at $200. I hope to be dead wrong here but I bet they set MSRP at $229.