AMD Ryzen 8000 "Strix Point" APU Leak Points to 16 RDNA 3.5 CUs

[T0@st]

PerformanceDatabases has uncovered details relating to an alleged engineering sample of AMD's Ryzen 8000 "Strix Point" APU—likely insider sourced CPU-Z screengrabs from early last month revealed that the upcoming Zen 5-based laptop chip (in their words): "is built on a 4 nm Process and features the Big.Little CPU architecture with 4 Performance Cores and 8 Efficiency Cores. Both the P and E-Cores support hyper-threading. On the P-Core and E-Core, the L1 Data cache is 48 KB, while the L1 instruction cache is 32 KB. Each P Core boasts 1 MB of cache, and with E-Cores, it looks like there are 4 in a group, sharing 1 MB of L2 Cache. This setup is quite similar to Intel's design. Keep in mind, it's still in the engineering sample (ES) stage, so there's more to come. We'll keep you posted on any further updates!"

Another "AMD Strix - Internal GPU" example emerged late last week, this time in the form of a leaked HWInfo64 screen grab with some information completely covered up—the visible parts seems to point to this "Strix Point" APU featuring a core configuration as seen in the earlier leak, along with 1024 unified shaders. We can presume that the sampled Zen 5-based mobile APU possessing 16 RDNA 3.5 compute units (16 × 64 = 1024). Other details include a 45 W TDP rating, and the socket type being FP8 (as utilized by current Ryzen 7040U and 7040H(S) mobile SoCs). The 512 MB GDDR6 memory configuration is very likely an error—according to HWInfo64, the tested system was fitted with 32 GB of LPDDR5 memory. "Strix Point" looks to be the logical successor (in 2024) to AMD's current "Phoenix" lineup of mobile processors, as featured in gaming handhelds and laptops. PC hardware enthusiasts are expressing excitement about the upcoming APU series wielding impressive iGPU performance, with the potential to rival modern discrete mobile solutions.



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[Panther_Seraphin]

"This setup is quite similar to Intel's design."

Its quite far apart actually. Intel uses completely different core architectures which can lead to instructions set differences between P and E cores. AMDs solution is the same core design with just cut down cache.

 

[SL2]

I wonder why we see more leaks about the upcoming APU's, rather than CPU's. I don't think that's happened before. (Zen 3+ doesn't count)

 

[Space Lynx]

I wonder why we see more leaks about the upcoming APU's, rather than CPU's. I don't think that's happened before. (Zen 3+ doesn't count)

steam deck, rog ally, its changed something in the industry is my guess. i know a lot of people who love their Deck.

apu laptops can game really decently as well, no longer needed giant heavy dedicated gaming laptop unless you just want to play AAA titles of recent years

i think the market is trending towards more APU's.

 

[R0H1T]

"This setup is quite similar to Intel's design."

Its quite far apart actually. Intel uses completely different core architectures which can lead to instructions set differences between P and E cores. AMDs solution is the same core design with just cut down cache.

Well we don't know how it performs, so that's also speculation at this point including the whole cache situation. For all we know there might be some more changes under zen 5.

 

[john_]

About to write the above that @Space Lynx wrote. Mobile market is way bigger than the desktop market and AMD is having a big success in handhelds this period. And because handhelds are gaming, AMD can take advantage of it's success and try to regain some reputation in graphics cards also.

Just for the fun of it. Shops still sell G210s.

 

[SL2]

steam deck, rog ally, its changed something in the industry is my guess. i know a lot of people who love their Deck.

apu laptops can game really decently as well, no longer needed giant heavy dedicated gaming laptop unless you just want to play AAA titles of recent years

i think the market is trending towards more APU's.

Yeah, possibly, combined with Raptor Lake Reheat not being a/the Keller creation people are waiting for.

 

[R0H1T]

Just for the fun of it. Shops still sell G210s.

Never heard of it, was it a PS clone?

 

[john_]

Well we don't know how it performs, so that's also speculation at this point including the whole cache situation. For all we know there might be some more changes under zen 5.

Still it's NOT big.little. It's more like big.big_on_a_diet.

 

[SL2]

Well we don't know how it performs, so that's also speculation at this point including the whole cache situation. For all we know there might be some more changes under zen 5.

That's not a reason to assume what the OP says.

About to write the above that @Space Lynx wrote. Mobile market is way bigger than the desktop market and AMD is having a big success in handhelds this period. And because handhelds are gaming, AMD can take advantage of it's success and try to regain some reputation in graphics cards also.

Just for the fun of it. Shops still sell G210s.

It's been way bigger for a decade now, or more. Handheld is ramping up, tho.

 

[R0H1T]

Strictly speaking big little is ARM only, so no even Intel isn't doing big little. But one of the main reasons why there's such a discrepancy in their performance is because Intel internally limited the development of Atom cores.

 

[john_]

Never heard of it, was it a PS clone?

I meant the ancient one NVIDIA GeForce 210 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

 

[Deleted member 232534]

those cores are different from zen-c or the the website PerformanceDatabases.com spewes nonsense calling them "e-cores"?

 

[john_]

Strictly peaking big little is ARM only, so no even Intel isn't doing big little. But one of the main reasons why there's such a discrepancy in their performance is because Intel internally limited the development of Atom cores.

They can't make them bigger until they go to 7nm at least. They need them small to sell numbers. They fit 4 Atom cores in the area of a P core. Improving E cores could lead to a bigger area needed for each of them, meaning they might end up fitting for example only 3 instead of 4 cores. That's a huge disadvantage in their marketing strategy.

 

[Vayra86]

steam deck, rog ally, its changed something in the industry is my guess. i know a lot of people who love their Deck.

apu laptops can game really decently as well, no longer needed giant heavy dedicated gaming laptop unless you just want to play AAA titles of recent years

i think the market is trending towards more APU's.

I think it has dawned on people that gameplay > graphics and gaming on the go was always defined by low-barrier of entry games with limited complexity. That barrier is off now.

Nice development because in all fairness, better graphics have already gone way past the point of diminishing returns.

 

[Space Lynx]

I think it has dawned on people that gameplay > graphics and gaming on the go was always defined by low-barrier of entry games with limited complexity. That barrier is off now.

Nice development because in all fairness, better graphics have already gone way past the point of diminishing returns.

i used to be and still am a bit of a high refresh rate snob, but steam deck has made me love gaming more than i ever dreamed possible. i learned to love gaming again because of steam deck. there are still some games i want to play at high refresh, but my backlog of games that i don't mind at 60 fps on my Deck far outnumbers those games. i will 100% be pre-ordering steam deck 2, fingers crossed it has OLED

Deck and SteamOS seem to have a smoothing effect as well, for example I never noticed blur issues or screen tearing on Dishonored on Deck, but on Windows PC regardless if its my gtx 1070 laptop or my all amd setup, I will get issues. so Deck isn't traditional 60 fps to my eyes, SteamOS is doing something to it where it just looks right imo.

 

[Deleted member 232534]

i used to be and still am a bit of a high refresh rate snob, but steam deck has made me love gaming more than i ever dreamed possible. i learned to love gaming again because of steam deck. there are still some games i want to play at high refresh, but my backlog of games that i don't mind at 60 fps on my Deck far outnumbers those games. i will 100% be pre-ordering steam deck 2, fingers crossed it has OLED

Deck and SteamOS seem to have a smoothing effect as well, for example I never noticed blur issues or screen tearing on Dishonored on Deck, but on Windows PC regardless if its my gtx 1070 laptop or my all amd setup, I will get issues. so Deck isn't traditional 60 fps to my eyes, SteamOS is doing something to it where it just looks right imo.

bro install loonix desktop if you enjoy smoothness

 

[Tek-Check]

About to write the above that @Space Lynx wrote. Mobile market is way bigger than the desktop market and AMD is having a big success in handhelds this period. And because handhelds are gaming, AMD can take advantage of it's success and try to regain some reputation in graphics cards also.

Indeed. Mobile gaming, including raising handhelds, is the most dominant gaming industry in the world. Here is recent breakdown.

I wonder why we see more leaks about the upcoming APU's, rather than CPU's. I don't think that's happened before. (Zen 3+ doesn't count)

Many chips are being tested. Some leak earlier, some don't. Simple.

 

[SL2]

Many chips are being tested. Some leak earlier, some don't. Simple.

That only makes sense if they're all launched at the same time, which they don't. So, not simple.

Despite laptops being much more popular than desktops, and I mean not only for gaming but in general, AMD's mobile APU's have never had any leaks before their CPU counterparts AFAIK.

 

[ymdhis]

Wish they'd bring this to AM5, but I guess my next PC will be one of those NUC type mini PCs at this rate.

The only big problem is that they have so horrible driver support on those. Basically no updates, and missing half the features a discrete card gets.

 

[john_]

Indeed. Mobile gaming, including raising handhelds, is the most dominant gaming industry in the world. Here is recent breakdown.
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Many chips are being tested. Some leak earlier, some don't. Simple.

If many smartphone gamers in the coming years, switch to Windows/Steam handhelds, AMD is going to have a blast until it faces competition from Intel or someone else.

 

[Space Lynx]

If many smartphone gamers in the coming years, switch to Windows/Steam handhelds, AMD is going to have a blast until it faces competition from Intel or someone else.

nah, AMD is too stupid to take full advantage of their lead in APU segment. for example Zen 4 phoenix chips that have the best graphics capability integrated are paired with dedicated gpu laptops... ok fine, but they also should have made this chip avaiable in standalone slim apu portable midrange priced laptops, but they put their slower integrated graphics chips in those, cause they dumb as bricks in the marketing department.

 

[john_]

Despite laptops being much more popular than desktops, and I mean not only for gaming but in general, AMD's mobile APU's have never had any leaks before their CPU counterparts AFAIK.

The iGPU is probably the only thing today that has plenty of room for improving and gets extra interest from consumers. CPUs? More cores than we need. RAM? More installed than we need. SSDs? Faster than we can notice any difference between models.
But.
Graphics cards? Disappointing generation from both at prices that disappoint even more.

iGPUs have everything in their favor, so APUs is where AMD will probably focus it's marketing, considering that for now it doesn't really have competition.

nah, AMD is too stupid to take full advantage of their lead in APU segment. for example Zen 4 phoenix chips that have the best graphics capability integrated are paired with dedicated gpu laptops... ok fine, but they also should have made this chip avaiable in standalone slim apu portable midrange priced laptops, but they put their slower integrated graphics chips in those, cause they dumb as bricks in the marketing department.

We are talking about the SAME OEMs who where building single channel AMD based laptops without discrete GPUs, or where using the worst parts in contrast to the equivalent Intel models.
Microsoft insists on using Intel CPUs in it's Surface line.
I mean, who can blame AMD if OEMs avoid building slim laptops with the best AMD APUs at reasonable prices, fearing that sales of most expensive laptops with discrete GPUs that probably bring higher profits to them, will get hit? AMD can sell APUs, can't dictate where and how those APUs will be used.

 

[SL2]

ok fine, but they also should have made this chip avaiable in standalone slim apu portable midrange priced laptops, but they put their slower integrated graphics chips in those, cause they dumb as bricks in the marketing department.

So you can't figure out why their fastest integrated GPU isn't available in midrange laptops? And that's AMD's fault? Dumb as bricks, what?

Or are you calling AMD dumb as bricks just because they're not selling those APU's for a lower price? You know that they have loads of slower chips that they have to sell as well, right?

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[Kapone33]

AMD has already shown it's hand. It is obvious that the APUs with RDNA are an absolute success. It seems like every week some Electronics manufacturer is releaseing a hand held based on AMD APUs. I have been talking for months about how powerful the Desktop variant will be. I predict that in 2024 we will get a family of Desktop APUs that will fill the void that is the Budget GPU space. The DGPU market has stagnated due to Nvidia's pricing, AMD's stance on that pricing and Intel's realistic pricing but less then optimal performance. There is a clear oppurtunity that AMD is primed for with high speed DDR5 boards paired with these chips. Then there will be those stupid (To me) software innovations that will make them sing even more. When you realize that a 6500XT is faster (Pcie 4.0 ) than a RX 580 at about 25% the die space you will get why IO am so excited.

Notice how big the Memory modules look against the GPU and fully appreciate the potential of the 6500XT. For me the next budget chip] form AMD will be an APU equipped with a 7500XT GPU.