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NVIDIA Plans 2024 CES (January) Launch for RTX 40-series SUPER?

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How much customers changed. There's a new generation of stupid, its clear, and it clearly influences the quality of product releases too.

We are our own worst enemies. Idiocracy is happening, for real. The fact Nvidia can do this in the face of economic downturn says a lot. We, at large, need to stop pointing fingers at 'something else'. We're the architects of our own demise if we keep doing that. That lens fits on almost everything today. The system is broken. I too believe in customer rights. But I also strongly believe in due diligence, and in the latter... people are screwing up bigtime and they're paying their own damages throughout life. But they also set a norm for how companies treat them.

There is one prime example here. 'RTX'. It was nothing, today its still a whole lot of nothing. People buy it, despite paying a premium on underpowered hardware. I mentioned Iphone earlier: Nvidia is selling Iphones now. Software + hardware in a holy combination of efficiency and marketing, with Nvidia as the gatekeeper to features, and people buy it. Gosh I wonder what they'll get more of, now. Let's appreciate the fact that in this move, even one generation of cards is already enough to lose feature access (DLSS3+).
Unless Nvidia is desperate because nobody is buying the 40-series and they're trying to boost sales by playing on our real or imagined stupidity.
 
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Only IF the price is right...
 

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Well im genuinely surprised nvidia is releasing the super refresh...
but i guess certain imposing sanctions on china by united states caused them to lose money...
i guess this is stop gap plan until 50 series...
There won't be a replacement for Ada for another year. These SKUs will be 2 years old by then, probably Nvidia felt they were getting long in the tooth.
It's a bit strange there's no 4060 Super, that the most imbalanced card of the whole lineup. Maybe it's coming later (4060 will also be replaced later than the rest of the lineup). Or Maybe Nvidia doesn't care about those "cheap" cards. We'll see.
 
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Why? AMD already getting wrecked by 4070 and 3080 in RT. And they said no new highend hardware for RDNA 4. This is simply unfair to AMD.
 
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They could simply launch a 12GB 4080(U$ 800) and 4080 ti.(U$ 1200)
That was their original plan before the backlash from the media/community. LINK
 
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4000-series SUPER is entirely an artifact of AMD not being able to put up a fight in the high-end, then releasing 7700/7800 extremely late and extremely expensive (in terms of OEM costs, as the PCBs are highly expensive). That means NVIDIA has little competition right now (in terms of making profit off their SKUs) and thus zero incentive to drop a 5000-series at this time, so a refresh of 4000-series is the most logical thing for them to do. And given that their costs per SKU are already relatively low, using slightly more powerful (expensive) chips to build new SKUs makes the most sense.

The naming scheme is of course bat f**k insane, because the whole point of naming schemes is to make it simple and obvious to purchasers that product A is a higher tier than product B, thus allowing them to make appropriate purchasing decisions. It's marketing 101, but NVIDIA has evidently decided that the only marketing they care about is RTX and AI.
 
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4000-series SUPER is entirely an artifact of AMD not being able to put up a fight in the high-end, then releasing 7700/7800 extremely late and extremely expensive (in terms of OEM costs, as the PCBs are highly expensive). That means NVIDIA has little competition right now (in terms of making profit off their SKUs) and thus zero incentive to drop a 5000-series at this time, so a refresh of 4000-series is the most logical thing for them to do. And given that their costs per SKU are already relatively low, using slightly more powerful (expensive) chips to build new SKUs makes the most sense.
If that was the case, then they could just leave the series alone and call it a day. No competition means I need no effort to win the race.

I think a more logical explanation is trying to milk gullible gamers a bit more with marketing by introducing a refresh that isn't really a refresh and doesn't offer anything more than the base series does.

Publicity, that's all what it is.

The naming scheme is of course bat f**k insane, because the whole point of naming schemes is to make it simple and obvious to purchasers that product A is a higher tier than product B, thus allowing them to make appropriate purchasing decisions. It's marketing 101, but NVIDIA has evidently decided that the only marketing they care about is RTX and AI.
Yep, agreed.
 
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If that was the case, then they could just leave the series alone and call it a day. No competition means I need no effort to win the race.
Shareholders like new products being released regularly, even if those products aren't actually new. See: Intel and its "14th generation" CPUs.

I think a more logical explanation is trying to milk gullible gamers a bit more with marketing by introducing a refresh that isn't really a refresh and doesn't offer anything more than the base series does.
Technically it will offer more (or at least we're expecting it to), by virtue of the fact that the SUPER cards will be using higher-tier GPUs that should have more performance. But it's obviously a milking exercise, that' what consumerism is ultimately about...
 
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Shareholders like new products being released regularly, even if those products aren't actually new. See: Intel and its "14th generation" CPUs.
True. I feel it's deeply connected to what I said, though: publicity.

Technically it will offer more (or at least we're expecting it to), by virtue of the fact that the SUPER cards will be using higher-tier GPUs that should have more performance. But it's obviously a milking exercise, that' what consumerism is ultimately about...
Technically, that is, by model name only, yes. Although, the 4070 Ti Super is not an upgraded 4070 Ti, but a nerfed 4080 in my books (it's based on the same GPU die).
 
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Only IF the price is right...
This is the right answer...

Only if the price is right..

Most likely I'lll stick to my 3080 till 5000 srries and just pick a 5090 down the line and forget about upgrading for like 4 years or 5 idk
 
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But little difference between 4060 and 4060ti.
Huh? 3072 and 4352 there's big enough gap for a 4060s. Back in the Turing era, this gap would be enough for 4 new skus
 

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4000-series SUPER is entirely an artifact of AMD not being able to put up a fight in the high-end, then releasing 7700/7800 extremely late and extremely expensive (in terms of OEM costs, as the PCBs are highly expensive). That means NVIDIA has little competition right now (in terms of making profit off their SKUs) and thus zero incentive to drop a 5000-series at this time, so a refresh of 4000-series is the most logical thing for them to do. And given that their costs per SKU are already relatively low, using slightly more powerful (expensive) chips to build new SKUs makes the most sense.
I don't think AMD has much to do with the date Ada's successor is released. It's based on Blackwell which was already nailed down a while ago. Sure, if AMD gave Nvidia a run for their money, the next gen would have been launched sooner. But not a whole year sooner.

What we're getting, I think, is manufacturing improvements, better yields trickling down to the market. Nvidia does that quite often.
 
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boooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiinggggg.... will continue to skip the entire 40 Series generation in favor for a 50 Series instead.
 
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These new cards are an aberration and have no reason to exist, it's just to keep prices up, in addition to having a shorter lifespan since they are pushed to the limit, instead of lowering prices altogether. simply, it's big rubbish, but hey if the masses swallow it why deprive ourselves of it, and drown people in a multitude of references which will make us do anything too by buying so much it gives the dizzy!!
 

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boooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiinggggg.... will continue to skip the entire 40 Series generation in favor for a 50 Series instead.
Same here. But it depends on what the 50 series will look like. And I don't mean the 5090 Ti Super Duper Sell Your House to Get One, I mean the 5060(Ti). If that sucks as hard as the current 4060(Ti), I'll be happy to skip another generation or check whether AMD closes the RT gap.
 

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Same here. But it depends on what the 50 series will look like. And I don't mean the 5090 Ti Super Duper Sell Your House to Get One, I mean the 5060(Ti). If that sucks as hard as the current 4060(Ti), I'll be happy to skip another generation or check whether AMD closes the RT gap.
Same here. I really liked the RTX 4090's hardware specification, features, and performance, but not the price and size. Not a simple upgrade with my current power supply and case that I use with my RTX 3080 Ti. I will probably be waiting to see what the 5080/5080 Ti/5090 has to offer. Ngreedia will probably charge an exorbitant amount for the 5000 series, no question. :(
 
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4000-series SUPER is entirely an artifact of AMD not being able to put up a fight in the high-end, then releasing 7700/7800 extremely late and extremely expensive (in terms of OEM costs, as the PCBs are highly expensive). That means NVIDIA has little competition right now (in terms of making profit off their SKUs) and thus zero incentive to drop a 5000-series at this time, so a refresh of 4000-series is the most logical thing for them to do. And given that their costs per SKU are already relatively low, using slightly more powerful (expensive) chips to build new SKUs makes the most sense.

The naming scheme is of course bat f**k insane, because the whole point of naming schemes is to make it simple and obvious to purchasers that product A is a higher tier than product B, thus allowing them to make appropriate purchasing decisions. It's marketing 101, but NVIDIA has evidently decided that the only marketing they care about is RTX and AI.

Nah, this is just the result of having plenty of higher chip bins sitting around. They can release updates to all of the cards, sell them for more, while essentially having to do nothing.
 
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Super series is really nothing more than a means to maximize revenues. Whether it’s manufacturing improvements or excess dies, Nvidia will fit a SKU into every nook and cranny possible to avoid selling anything for less than what they deem it’s worth. On the bonus side for them, stuff like this fits perfectly into their upselling scheme due to the cluster **** of SKUs.
 
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I love my 2070 SUPER. Still works flawlessly in 1080p, bought it for $620.09 4 years ago, good deal if you ask me. I'd be tempted to by a new SUPER now and upgrade to WQHD, but I seriously doubt it will last 4 more years at less than $1500 :(

So my 2 cents are it's probably good to wait for the next gen and pray that Intel Battlemage makes a decent dent on the market to calm prices down.
 
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I love my 2070 SUPER. Still works flawlessly in 1080p, bought it for $620.09 4 years ago, good deal if you ask me. I'd be tempted to by a new SUPER now and upgrade to WQHD, but I seriously doubt it will last 4 more years at less than $1500 :(

So my 2 cents are it's probably good to wait for the next gen and pray that Intel Battlemage makes a decent dent on the market to calm prices down.
The chances of the next generation having better prices would be viable if Samsung were competing on an equal footing with TSMC, otherwise the price bar for entry-level and mid-end GPUs will continue to rise.
Even intel makes GPUs at TSMC...
 

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So are the xx50 cards just not a thing anymore?
There are games where a 4060 card won't average 60fps at FHD. What would you do with a 4050?
 
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There are games where a 4060 card won't average 60fps at FHD. What would you do with a 4050?
NVENC encoding, Thats all they are worth for LOL
 
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