Intel Prepares Core Ultra 9 285K, Core Ultra 7 265K, and Core Ultra 5 245K Arrow Lake-S Desktop CPUs

[dgianstefani]

That's great but CPUs also need better lane-splitting abilities. And I think we're going to see that in new chips, ARL or whichever is next for the desktop. Why? Because it's pretty much necessary and it costs little to implement. Also because a PCIe 5.0 x2 SSD exists, which (in that mode of operation) only makes sense if it can connect to a 5.0 x2 link on the CPU.

I'm not 100%, but I think it's actually the motherboard that splits lanes.

 

[Vayra86]

THIS is stupid? You're missing all the zeros?

875K
2700K
3770K
4770K
4790K
5775C
6700K
7700K
8700K
9900K
10900K
11900K'LOL
12900K
13900K
14900K
285K

It's like back to the beginning. I like it a lot, all those digits was just like they tried to prove something, and now they don't have to.

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Oh you think it's a coincidence that Intel went five digit as soon as AMD were back in the game?
j/k

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Also, someone will reply just because they forgot about the 2700K.

I stand by my four year old post.

But... 285k.

So many missed opportunities here. 256k. 64k. Come on Intel. At least do a 1337k

K?

 

[Broken Processor]

Wow those names just roll off your tongue.

 

[chrcoluk]

They only just release 14th gen.

 

[RGAFL]

Still waiting to be proved wrong. Gaming, Zen 4. Datacentre and servers, Zen 4. A few niche cases that people really should be using the GPU instead of the CPU, maybe Intel at a stretch.

 

[Wirko]

I'm not 100%, but I think it's actually the motherboard that splits lanes.

The motherboard can route wires to slots in one way or another, more or less flexible. BIOS options play a role too. However, everything depends on CPU's ability to split a group of lanes into smaller groups (=links) and communicate with a device on each link.

Apart from the CPU, only a separate PCIe switch chip can do that. Chipsets also count as PCIe switches but AMD and Intel are careful not to reveal much about their bifurcation abilities, and they are Gen 3/Gen 4 anyway.

 

[Crackong]

Ah, so now you're comparing Golden Cove cores vs Zen 4?

In terms of performance
Golden Cove should be compared with its rightful competitors
Zen 2 & Zen3
Since Golden Cove is suppose to rival Zen2 for the time it is announced.

However, in server space, it delayed so much so it is met with Zen4.

I do have a Xeon w5-2465x and a TR 3955WX system in possession
Both are configured as server,
Xeon w5-2465x is paired with 512GB DDR5-4800 ECC RAM
TR 3955WX is paired with 256GB DDR4-2666 ECC RAM

Here is how they performed in R23 MT test under Window 10 pro:
Xeon w5-2465x : 27722 , whole test run at 3.66 GHz flat
TR 3955WX : 26815 , whole test run at 3.9 GHz flat
Put the memory speed difference aside they performed the same.

Noted that
Xeon w5-2465x TDP 200W PL2 240W, base 3.1GHz, launched at Q1'23
TR 3955WX TDP 280W, base 3.9GHz, launched at Q2'20

It is such a disappointing product
w5-2465x gives basically identical performance to a 3 year-old product,
with the only advantage being its 40W less power consumption.
And, the VMs on the 3955WX actually runs snappier thanks to its 3.9GHz base clock, compare to 3.1 GHz of the 2465x

Golden Cove cores are too power hungry so it runs slow in a strictly power restricted environment (Server Application)
When it loses its clock speed advantage it loses everything.

This pic is just a proof of possession

 

[mama]

They only just release 14th gen.

Just a refresh...

 

[Minus Infinity]

18A is a stepping stone to 16A. and that is a stepping stone to 14A. it's a +, those are the former pluses providing only 10% performance per watt. Unfortunately only post-18A nodes will be on the high NA machines. so everything until then is pretty much skippable. and hopefully for all the tiles.

Panther Lake on 18A should be pretty good IMO. It's a total evolution of Lunar Lake with backside power delivery. It's more a Meteor Lake/Lunar Lake replacement but should be a lot more efficient than Arrow Lake and even Lunar Lake which itself should be a big improvement over Meteor Lake. After Panther Lake it's as clear as mud as what's next. It could be Nova Lake it could be Adams Lake.

For this year I'm more eager to see if Intel can actually deliver on hype about efficiency and Lunar Lake can actually compete on the performance per watt with Apple. I can't beleive Arrow Lake won't be better than Meteor Lake either which IMO is just a beta testbed for the tiles approach and half-baked.

 

[Dr. Dro]

If I end up upgrading (unlikely rn), it'll likely be to the 9 285K, or rather, eventual KS version of it. But I'm not buying a Z890, it'll likely be a 1DPC B860 ITX board. CPU overclocking is deader than dead, just give me memory tweaking capabilities without any voltage limitation nonsense and i'll be happy.

They only just release 14th gen.

14th "gen" is not really a new generation, the CPUs don't offer anything beyond a technical minor clock speed bump (when/if applicable). There are no physical changes when compared to the Raptor Lake CPUs released in late 2022. The only thing differing an original i9-13900K from a 14900KS is its quality grade and clock table. This can't be forgotten and it must be stressed in every turn.

 

[Wirko]

Has it been confirmed that LGA1851 is going to be two-way incompatible with LGA1700?
I mean, there is mechanical compatibility, and 1700 of the 1851 pins are in the right place to make contact. The capabilities of the new platform are basically the same as the old one. So maybe the pins have not been rearranged. If not Intel itself, hackers may be able to make some old+new combinations work...

 

[dgianstefani]

Has it been confirmed that LGA1851 is going to be two-way incompatible with LGA1700?
I mean, there is mechanical compatibility, and 1700 of the 1851 pins are in the right place to make contact. The capabilities of the new platform are basically the same as the old one. So maybe the pins have not been rearranged. If not Intel itself, hackers may be able to make some old+new combinations work...

I highly doubt it.

This isn't a Skylake refresh.

 

[Dr_b_]

"This includes the overclockable K models for enthusiasts"
Will OC actually work on them, or just cause your PC to crash like it does on the current gen

 

[ghazi]

I've been anticipating this for a while and glad it finally happened. The 5 digit naming scheme was lazy and ridiculous. I don't like the new product names but this numbering is decent. I am also glad there is no 290K. We can always expect inflation of the model numbers to drive sales anyway, gotta start with the top end being 7 or 8 instead of 9.

 

[AMDK11]

Has it been confirmed that LGA1851 is going to be two-way incompatible with LGA1700?
I mean, there is mechanical compatibility, and 1700 of the 1851 pins are in the right place to make contact. The capabilities of the new platform are basically the same as the old one. So maybe the pins have not been rearranged. If not Intel itself, hackers may be able to make some old+new combinations work...

LGA1851 physically has 151 more pins than LGA1700. This is clearly visible in the photos of LGA1851, where you can see that there are more pins in the empty field in the middle.

LGA1851 has the same physical dimensions but due to 151 more pins it is not compatible with LGA1700 processors.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

"This includes the overclockable K models for enthusiasts"
Will OC actually work on them, or just cause your PC to crash like it does on the current gen

I don't have issues with the current one, I have the 14700k, 13900KS a 13900KF, 13600K and a bunch of H0 12400's and 12100.

I didn't ran into any of those issues being hyped right now.

 

[Dr_b_]

I don't have issues with the current one, I have the 14700k, 13900KS a 13900KF, 13600K and a bunch of H0 12400's and 12100.

I didn't ran into any of those issues being hyped right now.

your sample size of 1 must mean that its all fiction and huge anti intel conspiracy then, amiright?

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

your sample size of 1 must mean that its all fiction and huge anti intel conspiracy then, amiright?

nope, means I am aware of what I am buying/consuming and therefore necessary preparations to cool the processor down was made earlier than anticipated, cool kids nowadays just settling for AIO's (which they consider as already "watercooling") won't cut it.

you're being exaggerated by the sample size of just 1, I have a bunch of naked chip boi's over OC.net to prove you're just exaggeratedly wrong.

its too early to tell whether Arrow Lake will be a catastrophe when it launches, not a fanboi here, I own platforms from both Intel and AMD and love em.