AMD to Revise Specs of Ryzen 7 9700X to Increase TDP to 120W, to Beat 7800X3D

[A Computer Guy]

Just makes me happy that i chose to go with zen 3.

5950x was just an amazing chip for it's time. Sure other CPU's are faster but now you have to deal with big.little or hybrid X3D or much higher TDP 16 core desktop parts. It's been a dream working on the well roundedness of a good X570 board offering x16 (or x8/x8x or x4x4x4x4) + x4 + x1 with a 5950x CPU and a lot of USB3 I/O plus plenty of SATA, NVMe, and 128GB ECC. It's just aging incredibly well.

 

[trsttte]

As I have been saying since Zen 4 - AMD needs to stop this 3D cache grab, and incorporate the extra L3 directly in to the die.
This situation has only happened because of this greed.

That would increase the size of the tiny profitable chiplets, but you're not far of target. What they need to do is stop releasing non X3D cpu's, at least X versions that are not X3D.

For OEM and budget it's valid to keep the non-X3D variants, along with the Pro line up, but X variants for gaming/enthusiast/diy market should only be X3D parts, it has become perfectly clear they have a huge advantage, makes no sense to bait consumers with the 9700X to 6 months later or sooner launch a 9700X3D that will be a fair bit better.

 

[ARF]

That would increase the size of the tiny profitable chiplets

And eventually, it will lead to increased sales and market share, because of improved gaming competitiveness against intel.

What they need to do is stop releasing non X3D cpu's, at least X versions that are not X3D.
For OEM and budget it's valid to keep the non-X3D variants, along with the Pro line up, but X variants for gaming/enthusiast/diy market should only be X3D parts, it has become perfectly clear they have a huge advantage, makes no sense to bait consumers with the 9700X to 6 months later or sooner launch a 9700X3D that will be a fair bit better.

They need to differentiate product tiers:
1. Performance for creators - many cores with not so much cache 16/24-core with 80-120 MB cache.
2. Gamers - a bit less cores with as much cache as physically possible 10-12-14-core with 256 MB cache.
3. Budget - less cores with even less cache 8-core with 64 MB cache.

 

[trsttte]

And eventually, it will lead to increased sales and market share, because of improved gaming competitiveness against intel.



They need to differentiate product tiers:
1. Performance for creators - many cores with not so much cache 16/24-core with 80-120 MB cache.
2. Gamers - a bit less cores with as much cache as physically possible 10-12-14-core with 256 MB cache.
3. Budget - less cores with even less cache 8-core with 64 MB cache.

I guess they're now in a more stable position and could start doing more differentiated products but that would require a strategy change from what brought the company back to life. The central piece and AMD's strenght on the CPU market segment comes from doing one small CCD that's cheap to produce and that can be reused across all segments - desktop, embedded, workstation, server and ideally laptop but they're not quite there yet. With this they can get much better margins and allows them to easily shift priorities between segments.

As long as that's enough to keep Intel at bay - and they still have a good margin to play with, as competitive as Intel is AMD is cheaper and has margin to go further down - there's no reason for them to change no matter how much we'd want them to.

 

[ARF]

there's no reason for them to change no matter how much we'd want them to

I am ok with this - it will save me another bucket of money, thrown at another useless new socket.
Will stay with AM4 in the next 20 years

 

[Kapone33]

5950x was just an amazing chip for it's time. Sure other CPU's are faster but now you have to deal with big.little or hybrid X3D or much higher TDP 16 core desktop parts. It's been a dream working on the well roundedness of a good X570 board offering x16 (or x8/x8x or x4x4x4x4) + x4 + x1 with a 5950x CPU and a lot of USB3 I/O plus plenty of SATA, NVMe, and 128GB ECC. It's just aging incredibly well.

I still use mine and love it. Not for Gaming but that is not the only thing you can do with a PC.

 

[SL2]

Intel is going to give them a bloody nose, and they don't have a product that competes for another 6 months, and then the cost of those parts will become an issue.

What 6 months are you talking about?

 

[ARF]

What 6 months are you talking about?

The time gap between non-X3D and actual X3D CPUs ?

Let's hope intel brings something much faster than anything Ryzen. This will do two good things - will prove that AMD's execution is wrong, and will bring the prices down.
Ryzen 5 9600 for 89$, anyone ?

 

[SL2]

The time gap between non-X3D and actual X3D CPUs ?

Do you have a source of even a rumor for that?

Let's hope intel brings something much faster than anything Ryzen. This will do two good things - will prove that AMD's execution is wrong, and will bring the prices down.
Ryzen 5 9600 for 89$, anyone ?

This is just delusional.

 

[stimpy88]

What 6 months are you talking about?

This is the rumoured public availability of the x3D chips, I think it's closer to 4-5 months, as they have sped things up because they fear they haven't done enough to counter intel.

BTW, it was AMD themselves who stated that the x3D chips are coming towards the end of the year.

 

[SL2]

This is the rumoured public availability of the x3D chips, I think it's closer to 4-5 months, as they have sped things up because they fear they haven't done enough to counter intel.

BTW, it was AMD themselves who stated that the x3D chips are coming towards the end of the year.

I dunno, never heard anything like that, all I've seen is that 3D will come at the same time as boards the new PCH's in september.

It's all speculation anyway, I'll guess we'll know four weeks from now.

Did it for you *arf so you don't have to, cheers:

 

[Kaleid]

The time gap between non-X3D and actual X3D CPUs ?

Let's hope intel brings something much faster than anything Ryzen. This will do two good things - will prove that AMD's execution is wrong, and will bring the prices down.
Ryzen 5 9600 for 89$, anyone ?

Unlikely, Intel will release toasters for a while longer
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As for the 9000 series, my advice is to wait for non X and 3d versions to come out for better optimization

 

[Godrilla]

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