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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger Retires, Company Appoints two Interim co-CEOs

AnotherReader said:
but regulatory hurdles will prevent them from doing so.
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Yup.
AnotherReader said:
Still, if they reduce funding for the fabs to a level that's insufficient to catch up to TSMC, they will constrain Intel's future.
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The board does that and they will be out by one of two methods. Deliberately taking actions that can be viewed as harmful to the company is valid reason for emergency votes of no confidence by shareholder action. Deliberate sabotage of a publicly traded company is a criminal offense. So the board won't be doing what you suggest.
 
I just hope that Arc isn't "Voodoo 7 and Voodoo 8"!
 
RandallFlagg said:
Raptor lake was ~20% faster than Alder Lake, is what. That's an entire generational leap.

This was crucial in maintaining their desktop advantage.

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Even today, there's really just a smidge of difference between a Raptor Lake and a Zen 5, and Zen 4 wasn't faster.

I suppose if you're cheering for AMD, you probably really hated to see Raptor Lake be this good.

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You have the audacity to talk about cheerleading a company. Wow.

Tell us about the power draw of these successive Intel releases. And their failure rates as a result.
 
lexluthermiester said:
It hasn't been so far, so that's not really something to worry about. The worry is NVidia and AMD. RTX5000 and RX8000, if they take a big jump up in performance...
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I said that, because of the suspected CEO termination, and thus Arc dedicated graphics possibly on the chopping block!
 
lexluthermiester said:
The worry is ... AMD. ... RX8000, if they take a big jump up in performance...
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Such a worry doesn't and can't exist. Since AMD has the RDNA 3.5 microarchitecture and technical know-how to release proper graphics cards for all performance tiers.
Remember that RX 7600 is just a rebrand of RX 6600 on an old node. RX 6500 XT is also an artificially crippled garbage which begs for fixing.
 
Neo_Morpheus said:
So no, AMD wont have a monopoly.

Talking about current monopoly that everyone seems to love, I dont hear such complains about the Ngreedia monopoly...
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He's referred to x86 markets. I don't like AMD would ne the next monopoly as well. We need competitions.
 
BillyRazOr said:
He's referred to x86 markets. I don't like AMD would ne the next monopoly as well. We need competitions.
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And you are ignoring the market change.

Slowly but surely, the old guards are falling, being X64 and Windows.

Linux already took the servers and mobile and looks like a big push is finally coming for the desktop and ARM and perhaps RISC-V would end up replacing X64.

But again, its ok with Ngreedia already having a monopoly and already pulling a myriad of anticonsumer crap, but AMD for the first time in its existence, is gaining some decent market share and people are already accusing it of predatory actions if allowed to rightfully gain more ground.
 
Neo_Morpheus said:
And you are ignoring the market change.

Slowly but surely, the old guards are falling, being X64 and Windows.

Linux already took the servers and mobile and looks like a big push is finally coming for the desktop and ARM and perhaps RISC-V would end up replacing X64.

But again, its ok with Ngreedia already having a monopoly and already pulling a myriad of anticonsumer crap, but AMD for the first time in its existence, is gaining some decent market share and people are already accusing it of predatory actions if allowed to rightfully gain more ground.
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RISC-V is too fragmented to be a viable laptop or desktop replacement. As for ARM, it won't be easy to take over the desktop; after all, they haven't done great in servers where it is easier to displace the incumbents due to an increasing number of workloads running on open source software.
 
Neo_Morpheus said:
But again, its ok with Ngreedia already having a monopoly and already pulling a myriad of anticonsumer crap, but AMD for the first time in its existence, is gaining some decent market share and people are already accusing it of predatory actions if allowed to rightfully gain more ground.
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Two things could help AMD:
1. Make its own benchmark studio (for reviews which show the truth about performance, TDP, features, etc.), and intensely promote it everywhere - facebook, linkedin, telegram, tiktok, instagram, elsewhere;
2. Make its own game studio, and start releasing masterpieces games which run only on AMD hardware.
 
AnotherReader said:
RISC-V is too fragmented to be a viable laptop or desktop replacement. As for ARM, it won't be easy to take over the desktop; after all, they haven't done great in servers where it is easier to displace the incumbents due to an increasing number of workloads running on open source software.
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It's so much more complicated than just the hardware. There's a huge range of tools, software both off the shelf and internal through hundreds of industries, and the people that make use of those tools. If you've got a large corporation that has made use of those platforms and tools for the past 30-40 years and custom development during that time, switching off of them goes so far beyond the cost of hardware that the HW cost is irrelevant. You might be talking about a $100M hardware switch that requires a business disrupting 5 year $1B software migration to happen first and at that, adds no new functionality.

x86 / Windows isn't going anywhere for a long, long time.
 
AnotherReader said:
RISC-V is too fragmented to be a viable laptop or desktop replacement. As for ARM, it won't be easy to take over the desktop; after all, they haven't done great in servers where it is easier to displace the incumbents due to an increasing number of workloads running on open source software.
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The ISA doesn't matter. All the important technology is elsewhere in the chip/core designs.

Look at Apples ARM. No one else can make it. The reason it's good is because Apple has a huge uncore that supports 100GB/s memory transfers to one core.

Snapdragon cannot do that. Intel cannot do that. AMD cannot do that. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the ISA. It's all uncore (aka: outside the core) designs.
 
At least RISC-V isn't an intellectual property legal nightmare that ARM is.

And I just got reminded of a very-recent Mac commercial that I like, LOL!
 
dragontamer5788 said:
The ISA doesn't matter. All the important technology is elsewhere in the chip/core designs.

Look at Apples ARM. No one else can make it. The reason it's good is because Apple has a huge uncore that supports 100GB/s memory transfers to one core.

Snapdragon cannot do that. Intel cannot do that. AMD cannot do that. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the ISA. It's all uncore (aka: outside the core) designs.
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I agree with you about the irrelevance of ISA to performance. However, the ISA matters when you're trying to replace a long established incumbent with a lot of historic software that will never be recompiled.
 
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3valatzy said:
2. Make its own game studio, and start releasing masterpieces games which run only on AMD hardware.
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Are you sure these all games would only supported AMD hardware? One tiny market to target such very huge development aren't going to be done massive successful.
 
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