Zotac Uses Discord to Sell RTX 50 GPUs and Stop Scalpers

[Franzen4Real]

I felt that the Priority Access link that nVidia sent out for the 40 series Founders Edition launch worked well, I was able to get mine with no drama or wasted time hunting/refreshing. It was disappointing that they didn't bring it back this generation.

And yes, they definitely should have waited for more stock to build before launch. Now from here on out it is all just random drops, on random days, making them available only to those that run In Stock bots 24/7.

 

[Dr. Dro]

One potential positive side to AMD's launch/announce delay is that they shouldn't have any excuse to have stock shortages on launch.

They'll probably find a way to muck it up, but they *shouldn't* have any issues with stock...

Never underestimate AMD's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

What are your other reasons?

Let me guess:

• Not liking leather jackets.
• DLSS is not open source.
• Not wealthy enough.
• You want real frames.
• Ray Tracing is a gimmick.
• BuyingMoreVRam.com is offline.
• Home breaker not powerful enough for GPU.
• Unable to plug in connectors.
• Only AMD are the good guys.

You forgot "the ngreedia fanboys are mean and refuse to validate my feelings"

 

[PixelTech]

I found the USA Zotac Discord server, but where's the GAMING Zotac Discord Server?

 

[boomheadshot8]

That pretty much sums up why I switched to AMD.

hello, watch this video then

 

[Visible Noise]

Another reason why I'm not buying Geforce cards.

You’ll show ’em by not buying a card you can’t buy!

 

[SRB151]

Normally they would have released just the 5090 (and maybe the 5080). But this round they had to divert silicon to 5070 and 5070Ti, too, to have products available before the import tariffs kicked in. And I also suspect they don't want to make too many cards because Nvidia themselves may not be sure the public will buy them with each price hike. Somewhere over there must be like: "How much does a high end card sell for? $500? Let's try $700. Oh, still sells, let's try $1,000, $1,500, $2,000... Wth, they're still buying?".

Why is everyone jumping on the tariffs? It's a paper launch, Nvida loses money on gaming cpus compared to using the wafers for AI chips, and the tariff amounts are a small fraction of how much the prices went up in the first place. There isn't one buyer out there saying "I'd buy it if it weren't for the tariffs".

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Why is everyone jumping on the tariffs? It's a paper launch, Nvida loses money on gaming cpus compared to using the wafers for AI chips, and the tariff amounts are a small fraction of how much the prices went up in the first place. There isn't one buyer out there saying "I'd buy it if it weren't for the tariffs".

Because the tarrifs absolutely have something to do with current price increases. "Small fraction"?? Try roughly half the price increases seen right now is from tarrifs. Why are we acting like that's not the case? All the 5080s I've been eyeing have gone up by 10-20%, and depending on the sku half that increase is directly from tarrifs.

I'm one of those so called "buyers that don't exist" in your mind that is likely not going to buy a card because of the tarrifs.

 

[Dr. Dro]

My take on the tariffs is that they are gonna hit pretty much every electronic product manufactured in China, not just GPUs and especially not just Nvidia GPUs. But there's something important that not many are taking into account: the fabled Trump tariffs only apply to the United States, and prices have gone up globally, arguably due to demand. Whether that demand is real or fabricated by the intentional slow manufacture of more units to satisfy the market, does not really change that.

That's the sole reason why I actually placed the order for my 5090 day one knowing full well I won't see it for some time, it's easily about to shoot outside of my price range before any scalping takes place and I actually managed to place an order that wasn't cancelled at MSRP. Even though the MSRP includes the Brazil taxes and is actually almost twice of what it costs in the United States... "Tariff man good/bad" is pretty much irrelevant in this context, IMHO.

hello, watch this video then

I loved this video, it upset fanboys of both brands in equal measure. What he states by Nvidia wanting to reinvent the wheel to induce vendor lock-in is both real and absolutely true, as is his point about AMD and Intel having absolutely no vision whatsoever, going with the flow and ultimately crashing along the way. Which is precisely what I meant by "never underestimate AMD's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory". Blind faith won't solve the problem: AMD does not know how to market their products and has no clear roadmap to innovation, while Intel has not put nearly as much effort in Arc so far as they should have.

 

[_roman_]

What are your other reasons?

Let me guess:

• Not liking leather jackets.
• DLSS is not open source.
• Not wealthy enough.
• You want real frames.
• Ray Tracing is a gimmick.
• BuyingMoreVRam.com is offline.
• Home breaker not powerful enough for GPU.
• Unable to plug in connectors.
• Only AMD are the good guys.

• Cuda is barely supported by any software. And I think closed source.
• Double display initialisation with windows 10 pro wiht nivdia 960 gtx - but radeon does not have that issue. (extra 5 seconds wait time early 2023 - i tried again a nvidia card to see the driver quality)
• poor driver quality
• poor gnu linux support
• cuda kinda worthless since 2006 for myself with the linux kernel and gnu userspace
• i dislike the marketing
• overpriced
• raytracing which is hardly a feature to myself
• low vram
• questionable durability when looking at those repair videos
• bad graphic card power connector which may cause issues with my existing power supply, cables, mainboard
• bad quality management as that power connector is still an issue in my point of view over years.
• bad nvidia graphic card bios, which forced me to patch every single linux kernel for years.
• binary nvidia driver is picky on which linux kernel version to use - ~2 - 4 weeks wait time for last kernel support from 2006 - 2016 (i think in my case)
• ....

My speakers, audio interface, cables costs more than my 7800xt graphic card or any other pc single component.

You ask for a list - you get a small list

 

[Prima.Vera]

Wait, 10 (ten) cards only ???

 

[The Shield]

If they waited to produce a lot of GPUs first, they would have been hit by the import taxes. As it is, there is some hope some cards will be available at MSRP some months from now.
I mean, normally I'd agree with you (start selling when you have something to sell). But this year is special. Extra special...

As I said, we have been told this S for almost a decade, and every time is like "hey, this time is special because..." and others random S following.
And we both know than some months from now the situation will be very similar, because there will certainly be some earthquake, tornado or random end-of-the-world event preventing Nvidia from being less greedy.

 

[TheDeeGee]

• Cuda is barely supported by any software. And I think closed source.
• Double display initialisation with windows 10 pro wiht nivdia 960 gtx - but radeon does not have that issue. (extra 5 seconds wait time early 2023 - i tried again a nvidia card to see the driver quality)
• poor driver quality
• poor gnu linux support
• cuda kinda worthless since 2006 for myself with the linux kernel and gnu userspace
• i dislike the marketing
• overpriced
• raytracing which is hardly a feature to myself
• low vram
• questionable durability when looking at those repair videos
• bad graphic card power connector which may cause issues with my existing power supply, cables, mainboard
• bad quality management as that power connector is still an issue in my point of view over years.
• bad nvidia graphic card bios, which forced me to patch every single linux kernel for years.
• binary nvidia driver is picky on which linux kernel version to use - ~2 - 4 weeks wait time for last kernel support from 2006 - 2016 (i think in my case)
• ....

My speakers, audio interface, cables costs more than my 7800xt graphic card or any other pc single component.

You ask for a list - you get a small list

I never asked for a list?

And what does your audio cable have to do with anything...

 

[AVATARAT]

I never asked for a list?

When I see how many people are answering you, yes, you are asking not only about this list, but many others.

 

[bug]

As I said, we have been told this S for almost a decade, and every time is like "hey, this time is special because..." and others random S following.

Since the 2020 pandemic, pretty much every year was special, let's not pretend otherwise.

And we both know than some months from now the situation will be very similar, because there will certainly be some earthquake, tornado or random end-of-the-world event preventing Nvidia from being less greed.

And let's not pretend foundries are sitting idle, spiderwebs and everything and evil corporations don't want to place orders.

Sucks for consumers, I'm not denying that. But let's not forget about the bigger picture, life doesn't start or end with GPUs.

 

[boomheadshot8]

My take on the tariffs is that they are gonna hit pretty much every electronic product manufactured in China, not just GPUs and especially not just Nvidia GPUs. But there's something important that not many are taking into account: the fabled Trump tariffs only apply to the United States, and prices have gone up globally, arguably due to demand. Whether that demand is real or fabricated by the intentional slow manufacture of more units to satisfy the market, does not really change that.

That's the sole reason why I actually placed the order for my 5090 day one knowing full well I won't see it for some time, it's easily about to shoot outside of my price range before any scalping takes place and I actually managed to place an order that wasn't cancelled at MSRP. Even though the MSRP includes the Brazil taxes and is actually almost twice of what it costs in the United States... "Tariff man good/bad" is pretty much irrelevant in this context, IMHO.



I loved this video, it upset fanboys of both brands in equal measure. What he states by Nvidia wanting to reinvent the wheel to induce vendor lock-in is both real and absolutely true, as is his point about AMD and Intel having absolutely no vision whatsoever, going with the flow and ultimately crashing along the way. Which is precisely what I meant by "never underestimate AMD's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory". Blind faith won't solve the problem: AMD does not know how to market their products and has no clear roadmap to innovation, while Intel has not put nearly as much effort in Arc so far as they should have.

plus with unoptimised games, customers tend to buy more gpu/cpu and demand increase, supply isnt, so price goes up
just make game optimised and dev need to rethink how textures works and make good stuff, not just pick some textures like unreal engine assets and put it inside a game...

I just wait to upgrade an opportunity of a good seller, in france we have some platforms where people are serious for second hand

 

[The Shield]

Since the 2020 pandemic, pretty much every year was special, let's not pretend otherwise.
And let's not pretend foundries are sitting idle, spiderwebs and everything and evil corporations don't want to place orders.

The marketing BS of the demand-larger-than-supply began way before 2020, at least in 2017.
And the Trump-tax is only another BS, as in Europe the marketing strategy of lower quantity - higher price is the same if not worst, even without Trump.
And they always have someone else to blame: Samsung funderies, TSMC funderies, ASML machineries, Trump Tax, Covid, Crypto, IA, etc.
Reality is that marketing is deeply changed in recent years and is now all based in serve less customers for a lot more money, rising margins well above what was the old reasonable level.

 

[bug]

The marketing BS of the demand-larger-than-supply began way before 2020, at least in 2017.
And the Trump-tax is only another BS, as in Europe the marketing strategy of lower quantity - higher price is the same if not worst, even without Trump.
And they have always someone else to blame: Samsung funderies, TSMC fundieries, ASML machineries, Trump Tax, etc.
Reality is that marketing is deeply changed in recent years and is now all based in serve less customers for a lot more money, rising margins well above what was the old reasoneble level.

Pretending is also an option...

 

[Dr. Dro]

plus with unoptimised games, customers tend to buy more gpu/cpu and demand increase, supply isnt, so price goes up
just make game optimised and dev need to rethink how textures works and make good stuff, not just pick some textures like unreal engine assets and put it inside a game...

I just wait to upgrade an opportunity of a good seller, in france we have some platforms where people are serious for second hand

Here's the catch, though, and I say this with conviction: we've reached a point where hardware is genuinely powerful enough. If a game is so badly optimized that it struggles on hardware such as the RTX 4070 Ti Super or the 7900 XTX... a 5090 will be of no use salvaging that. Truly. By the time you reach the RTX 4090's level of performance, there is no engine at no resolution that shouldn't be satisfied unless you enable full path tracing effects. If any game with any manner of traditional raster graphics struggles on an RTX 4090, then that game is fundamentally flawed.

Most people complaining about the 5080's apparent lack of progress haven't realized that it's the industry itself that stagnated. The 5080 is fine... and there is no game that it should not run masterfully. Games are still catching up with the Turing architecture, obviously built for RDNA 2 at best. Which brings the thing full circle, the RTX 5090 is on a league all its own and I expect it to remain so for quite some time. Graphics have stagnated and the only thing that NV can do for the 6090 is frankly, make it even faster, but they sure raised the bar high with these two past 90 SKUs. With 32 GB, almost 2 TB/s bandwidth and exceeding the 100 TFLOP mark, the 5090 is truly a small supercomputer. In fact, the first 100 TFLOP supercomputer only came around 20 years ago, around the era many of this forum's ardent ATi AMD fans still believe they're living on with their staunch defense of AGP era Radeon GPUs that used to be better than the likes of the FX series

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572383231437320192

With the 5090, you can have 100 TFLOPS with an add-in card on your computer today. On an SFF, even, if you buy their FE.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Specs

NVIDIA GB202, 2407 MHz, 21760 Cores, 680 TMUs, 176 ROPs, 32768 MB GDDR7, 1750 MHz, 512 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[bug]

Here's the catch, though, and I say this with conviction: we've reached a point where hardware is genuinely powerful enough. If a game is so badly optimized that it struggles on hardware such as the RTX 4070 Ti Super or the 7900 XTX... a 5090 will be of no use salvaging that. Truly. By the time you reach the RTX 4090's level of performance, there is no engine at no resolution that shouldn't be satisfied unless you enable full path tracing effects. If any game with any manner of traditional raster graphics struggles on an RTX 4090, then that game is fundamentally flawed.

Most people complaining about the 5080's apparent lack of progress haven't realized that it's the industry itself that stagnated. The 5080 is fine... and there is no game that it should not run masterfully. Games are still catching up with the Turing architecture, obviously built for RDNA 2 at best. Which brings the thing full circle, the RTX 5090 is on a league all its own and I expect it to remain so for quite some time. Graphics have stagnated and the only thing that NV can do for the 6090 is frankly, make it even faster, but they sure raised the bar high with these two past 90 SKUs. With 32 GB, almost 2 TB/s bandwidth and exceeding the 100 TFLOP mark, the 5090 is truly a small supercomputer. In fact, the first 100 TFLOP supercomputer only came around 20 years ago, around the era many of this forum's ardent ATi AMD fans still believe they're living on with their staunch defense of AGP era Radeon GPUs that used to be better than the likes of the FX series

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572383231437320192

With the 5090, you can have 100 TFLOPS with an add-in card on your computer today. On an SFF, even, if you buy their FE.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Specs

NVIDIA GB202, 2407 MHz, 21760 Cores, 680 TMUs, 176 ROPs, 32768 MB GDDR7, 1750 MHz, 512 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Here's the real catch: we've reached that point before. And then the resolution shoots up.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Here's the real catch: we've reached that point before. And then the resolution shoots up.

Yet 1080p is still the most widely used resolution out there. High refresh is novelty, but I don't see the status quo of 1440p as sweet spot and 4K for enthusiasts going away anytime soon