AMD Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 "Strix Halo" APU Benched in 3DMark, Leak Suggests Impressive iGPU Performance

[T0@st]

Late last month, an AMD "How to Sell" Ryzen AI MAX series guide appeared online—contents provided an early preview of the Radeon 8060S iGPU's prowess in 1080p gaming environments. Team Red seemed to have some swagger in their step; they claimed that their forthcoming "RDNA 3.5" integrated graphics solution was up to 68% faster than NVIDIA's discrete GeForce RTX 4070 Mobile GPU (subjected to thermal limits). Naturally, first-party/internal documentation should be treated with a degree of skepticism—the PC hardware community often relies on (truly) independent sources to form opinions. A Chinese leaker has procured a pre-release laptop that features a "Zen 5" AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 processor. By Wednesday evening, the tester presented benchmark results on the Tieba Baidu forums.

The leaker uploaded a screenshot from a 3DMark Time Spy session. No further insights were shared via written text. On-screen diagnostics pointed to a "Radeon 8050S" GPU, and the CPU being an "AMD Eng Sample: 100-000001243-50_Y." Wccftech double-checked this information; they believe that the OPN ID corresponds to a: "Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 with the Radeon 8060S, instead of the AMD Radeon 8050S iGPU...The difference between the two is that the Radeon 8060S packs the full 40 Compute Units while the Radeon 8050S is configured with 32 Compute Units. The CPU for each iGPU is also different and the one tested here packs 16 Zen 5 cores instead of the 12 Zen 5 cores featured on the Ryzen AI MAX 390." According to the NDA-busting screenshot, Team Red's Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 engineering sample racked up an overall score of 9006 in 3DMark Time Spy. Its graphics score tally came in at 10,106, while its CPU scored 5571 points. The alleged Radeon 8060S iGPU managed to pull in just under NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile dGPU (average) score of 10,614. The plucky RDNA 3.5 40 CU iGPU seems to outperform a somewhat related sibling; the Radeon RX 7600M XT dGPU (with 32 RDNA 3 CUs) scored 8742 points. Radeon 8060S trails the desktop Radeon RX 7600 GPU by 884 points.




Wccftech was impressed with the leaked data: "in terms of iGPU, you are looking at over double the iGPU cores versus AMD's current top gun, the Radeon 890M (16 Compute Units). The biggest benefit of this chip is that it offers up to 256 GB per second of bandwidth, which would help the graphics capabilities of this APU."



They elaborated further with this comparison: "while the CPU score is low, the Radeon 8060S iGPU delivers a fantastic result versus the Radeon 890M, which can only manage an average of 3367 points according to 3DMark's database. This is a 3x improvement over Strix and is amazing. One should also point out that the standard Strix chips have a TDP of 30-45 W, while Strix Halo APUs will feature up to 120 W TDP; a 3x difference."

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[Bruno Vieira]

I can only hope AMD does not overprice this one as they did with Strix Point. I bought a 7840hs mini pc 4 months after release for 450 USD, plus RAM and SSD, it all cost <600. The cheapest Strix Point mini pc I've seen is 900 USD.

 

[sudothelinuxwizard]

Again, a perfect application for Strix Halo would be a mITX board with it soldered on. Quite frankly, as the minimum RAM on these is 32GB even the RAM could be soldered for all I care; it's not like memory in modern systems is especially failure prone. Sell it for 500-600 euros (even 700+ if it comes with RAM presoldered on) and I'd buy it instantly.

 

[hsew]

Called it. Competes with 4060M. They’ll have to price it accordingly. Starting at $1600-1800 for 32GB of RAM. Any higher and people will take a very long look at the competing nVidia options. It’ll probably be heavily workstation/professional/creative oriented, which is fine by me. I’ve never been a fan of those massive plastic gaming abominations anyways.

 

[Lew Zealand]

I can only hope AMD does not overprice this one as they did with Strix Point. I bought a 7840hs mini pc 4 months after release for 450 USD, plus RAM and SSD, it all cost <600. The cheapest Strix Point mini pc I've seen is 900 USD.

That's a normal price for a high performing MiniPC. I got my 780XTX after the review here for about $410 bare bones, same processor. In the past, Core i7 NUCs were also around the $400 mark on 'sale' a few months after release, that's what you pay for good CPU performance in a small package.

That Time Spy Graphics score matches my OC'd 6600 XT and beats my OC'd 3060 so it's a good iGPU performer and this has twice the CPU cores and more than twice the memory bandwidth. It's a 2X package compared to the very good 7840HS and will be priced accordingly.

 

[Daven]

I purchased an ASUS ROG laptop with an 8-core Zen 4 and RTX4060 a few months ago. I wish I could have waited for a laptop with this APU. It looks awesome and faster than what I bought!

Again, a perfect application for Strix Halo would be a mITX board with it soldered on. Quite frankly, as the minimum RAM on these is 32GB even the RAM could be soldered for all I care; it's not like memory in modern systems is especially failure prone. Sell it for 500-600 euros (even 700+ if it comes with RAM presoldered on) and I'd buy it instantly.

This is sort of happening but not in the form of a standalone mITX board. I think the best availability of this OEM part outside of laptops are SFFs.

ASUS reportedly preparing NUC with Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 "Strix Halo" APU - VideoCardz.com

 

[Makaveli]

I really need to see this configured with 64 or 128GB running LM studio and a 70B or larger model

 

[Mrgravia]

Ram speeds aside, I wonder how many of these improvements could apply for a future desktop APU.

Though i'd also very much be interested in a mobile on ITX style board with one of these, even if the ram had to be soldered on.

 

[sudothelinuxwizard]

I purchased an ASUS ROG laptop with an 8-core Zen 4 and RTX4060 a few months ago. I wish I could have waited for a laptop with this APU. It looks awesome and faster than what I bought!


ASUS reportedly preparing NUC with Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 "Strix Halo" APU - VideoCardz.com
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The HP is 1200 for the base config, given that ASUS charges 1100 for the Lunar Lake NUC while the M4 Mac mini at 600 beats it in every way (except upgradeability) I can't imagine it would be as cheap as if,say, ASRock made a ITX board with it.

 

[silentbogo]

If that igpu performance holds - then AMD finally kept their promise of APUs that can game Definitely a potential option to replace my dying ASUS ROG Strix laptop.
Prices are kinda crazy, though. Even ASUS Flow is $2000+, which is a steep uplift from last year's model (it was around $1000-1200, if I remember right).

 

[Nostras]

Honestly I love the GPU performance of this thing, but the cynic in me just knows that these prices will start at 1700$ or so in an attempt to attract the mobile gaming crowd with large wallets.
Thing is, for enthusiasts looking at these things, why would you pick it over a 4070? We all know it won't be price competitive.

 

[Chrispy_]

Okay, I know it's only Timespy, but those aren't bad numbers, even for a dGPU. Not far off an RTX4060...

 

[Aoyagi]

If that igpu performance holds - then AMD finally kept their promise of APUs that can game Definitely a potential option to replace my dying ASUS ROG Strix laptop.
Prices are kinda crazy, though. Even ASUS Flow is $2000+, which is a steep uplift from last year's model (it was around $1000-1200, if I remember right).

That's a bit of a vague promise if they said it like that. I am gaming on a Raven Ridge laptop almost every day!

And it didn't cost the ridiculous price they're asking for Strix anything.

 

[john_]

Asus ROG Flow Z13 GZ302EA Convertible Review - AMD's Strix Halo GPU is neck-and-neck with the RTX 4070 Laptop - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

 

[Dr. Dro]

I really need to see this configured with 64 or 128GB running LM studio and a 70B or larger model

In an incredibly misleading marketing slide showcasing its "earth shattering AI performance", AMD claims up to 2.2x over 4090, specifically on 70B model, which doesn't fit onto the 4090's memory. Up to 96 GB can be addressed to the RX 8060S graphics core. Compute performance is roughly equivalent to RX 7600M XT.

 

[Makaveli]

In an incredibly misleading marketing slide showcasing its "earth shattering AI performance", AMD claims up to 2.2x over 4090, specifically on 70B model, which doesn't fit onto the 4090's memory. Up to 96 GB can be addressed to the RX 8060S graphics core. Compute performance is roughly equivalent to RX 7600M XT.

i'm well aware of Vendor marketing.

The sole purpose of me wanting it is because of the memory, there is no doubt they were not comparing it to something that has equal memory.

 

[TPUnique]

Again, a perfect application for Strix Halo would be a mITX board with it soldered on. Quite frankly, as the minimum RAM on these is 32GB even the RAM could be soldered for all I care; it's not like memory in modern systems is especially failure prone. Sell it for 500-600 euros (even 700+ if it comes with RAM presoldered on) and I'd buy it instantly.

It will necessarily come with soldered RAM and 500€ is unfortunately wishful thinking ; I doubt it'll be under 1000€. But that'll be a good start nonetheless.

 

[trsttte]

It will necessarily come with soldered RAM and 500€ is unfortunately wishful thinking ; I doubt it'll be under 1000€. But that'll be a good start nonetheless.

Not necessarily, LPCAMM2 is a thing!

We need to stop giving companies a pass when there are good and easy solutions to this problem

 

[sudothelinuxwizard]

It will necessarily come with soldered RAM and 500€ is unfortunately wishful thinking ; I doubt it'll be under 1000€. But that'll be a good start nonetheless.

I mean, why? Whole computers with this chip like the HP mini PC cost around 1100€ IIRC, so why would anyone buy this if it was priced so high?