NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Allegedly Scores 16.6% Improvement Over RTX 4070 Ti SUPER in Synthetic Benchmarks

[medi01]

Oh boy, the cope levels... ))

 

[Onasi]

Pretty good. Should be the top seller this gen.

Not surprising really, NVidia is targeting $700 or so for their top selling cards, and this card has to compete against AMD so has the most value out of the new cards.

Is this some alternative reality I am not aware of? 700 bucks was never and isn’t currently the tier where “top sellers” reside. The most popular cards from any vendor are in the 200-400 dollar bracket. This was always the case. The idea that a card starting at 750 dollars has universal mass appeal is lunacy.

 

[truehighroller1]

Thanks for being honest about your mistake!


What is wrong is capitalism.

It's not capitalism that's wrong. It's the fact that they obviously only launched with a few cards thus driving the pricing up and they knew that was going to happen, it wasn't an oopsie. That's just them manipulating the market which is not supposed to be allowed.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

What is wrong is capitalism.

The alternative is way worse; Just look at when the Berlin wall fell, which side ran to which side? North/South Korea is also a good example. Anyways, whatever.

What I can say for sure is this; There is obviously something going on in the distribution chain that needs investigating, these cards don't just "disappear" there is obviously some sort of coalition that are selling & buying them before the actual release date where they should have been made available to everyone.

There is simply just no way that within 5 months (nGreedia halted production of RTX4000), that these were the only GPUs made, there is no way, just NO WAY. Either scalpers pre-buy, or maybe a miner that yearns for the good old days, or perhaps AIBs are storing them to created artificial scarcity to price gouge, whichever this might be all I can say is, they have access to these GPUs far before the actual launch to the general public.

Real investigative journalism will have to be done on this. Something is extremely wrong here, very much so.

 

[Krit]

I actually blame reviewers to be honest, as I said before, the moment you put in a $/frame chart for GPUs you will F this space up, and well well well, 10 years later... anyways, not like they are affected by this "issue" just us.

It's not a reviewers fault when actual buyers literally have no brains.

 

[Bwaze]

It's not capitalism that's wrong. It's the fact that they obviously only launched with a few cards thus driving the pricing up and they knew that was going to happen, it wasn't an oopsie. That's just them manipulating the market which is not supposed to be allowed.

I don't thing any regulation can force Nvidia to prioritize gaming toys, when their AI server hardware sells for 20x as much money? I mean, it's not like gaming is some sort of necessary public service?

It's a crappy situation for gamers, true, and it's even sillier that we're bombarded how this is perfectly OK, that it's just the new normal etc, but there's very little that we can do. Voting with our wallets? Nvidia doesn't want you to buy the cards!

 

[Legacy-ZA]

It's not a reviewers fault when actual buyers have no brains.

I should have worded it better, perhaps "In part"

 

[watzupken]

Zotac is doing contest on their discord channel they created to get rid of scalping, to be able to buy 5090s directly through them. They're charging $4500+ for those cards if you win the chance to buy one. I laughed and left the discord group.

The plan is, get rid of the scalping middle man, and charge scalper's price themselves directly. Otherwise, why do you think they will go through all the trouble to "sell RTX 5xxx cards directly to you"?

In any case, I am skeptical of the results because there is very little information here to make any conclusion. The RTX 5070 Ti may very well be performing close to the RTX 4080 Super (which is essentially an overclocked RTX 4080 when it comes to performance) in say RT benchmark or titles where the new RT cores and higher bandwidth delivers better performance. But to be honest, is 17% a significant jump in a new generation, hardly.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

I don't thing any regulation can force Nvidia to prioritize gaming toys, when their AI server hardware sells for 20x as much money? I mean, it's not like gaming is some sort of necessary public service?

It's a crappy situation for gamers, true, and it's even sillier that we're bombarded how this is perfectly OK, that it's just the new normal etc, but there's very little that we can do. Voting with our wallets? Nvidia doesn't want you to buy the cards!

Then it's up to the company to make this announcement "We no longer intend to make gaming GPUs., get ******* haha, thank you for making us what we are" at least then, people will know what is going on. Why waste all that money for marketing for products you don't intend to sell?

 

[Hxx]

Oh you can bet they will ask $1000 if it's near a 4080 performance.

I actually blame reviewers to be honest, as I said before, the moment you put in a $/frame chart for GPUs you will F this space up, and well well well, 10 years later... anyways, not like they are affected by this "issue" just us.

I hate being right all the time.

I personally think lack of competition is the only reason this is happening . I’ve seen this time and time again not just with nvidia but Intel too. It will get worse mark my words and especially in the higher end where there is litelly nvidia competing with themselves.

 

[Bwaze]

Then it's up to the company to make this announcement "We no longer intend to make gaming GPUs., get ******* haha, thank you for making us what we are" at least then, people will know what is going on. Why waste all that money for marketing for products you don't intend to sell?

Many reasons. Nvidia is actually quite aware that current AI craze for their hardware accelerators won't last forever, even if there won't be an AI bubble burst - there are more and more companies making hardware accelerators. So they are presenting themselves as very diversified company with many sources of income - even if they have to internally redistribute the revenue, as they did with crypto money (verified, they lost a lawsuit), and as they are doing it now with AI income - all of a sudden "Gaming" had record revenue, at the end of gaming card generation? And when all the places you could check showed absolutely no increase in cards sold?

So, if the bubble bursts, all of a sudden gamers will be in focus again, we get a generation with good price / performance increase, and good availability? (actually, a generation later, they are slow to respond to not appear too desperate).

 

[Hecate91]

The alternative is way worse; Just look at when the Berlin wall fell, which side ran to which side? North/South Korea is also a good example. Anyways, whatever.

What I can say for sure is this; There is obviously something going on in the distribution chain that needs investigating, these cards don't just "disappear" there is obviously some sort of coalition that are selling & buying them before the actual release date where they should have been made available to everyone.

There is simply just no way that within 5 months (nGreedia halted production of RTX4000), that these were the only GPUs made, there is no way, just NO WAY. Either scalpers pre-buy, or maybe a miner that yearns for the good old days, or perhaps AIBs are storing them to created artificial scarcity to price gouge, whichever this might be all I can say is, they have access to these GPUs far before the actual launch to the general public.

Real investigative journalism will have to be done on this. Something is extremely wrong here, very much so.

I suspect something similar is happening to what happened during the crypto boom, most cards get sold directly to businesses or as you said someone is buying them before release. It shouldn't be legal for Nvidia to be manipulating the market, but they never really got punished for lying about sales during the crypto boom either.
I agree someone needs to step up and do a real investigation, but I wouldn't expect any tech youtuber to do it as genuinely calling out Nvidia means loosing press samples, it happened to HW Unboxed and they quickly changed after getting blacklisted.

 

[Vayra86]

It truly is a slap in the face of gamers at this point. They're killing the gaming computer market in my opinion. They had which makes it even funnier, 4 cards up for grabs. Four, cards. Someone needs to step up and stop the obvious scalping from nvidia at this point.

You don't kill the gaming market by selling bad GPUs.

There is so much hardware that can play games... people will simply adjust. Gaming is an up-and-up business. Its never really seen decline. The further the world goes to shit the more people will seek escapism, too. If you see what APUs can already do these days... the base level of performance is already so high... it just takes not using a shitty engine and not having monkey coders to make a beautiful game that runs efficiently. We need only look back at recent history for hundreds of examples. Gaming graphics are practically done. RT won't change that, in fact, I think Nvidia is doing well pricing that technology way out of reach and indeed right into the hole of failed technologies.

The trajectory of less GPU for your money really started with Turing and its only gotten worse as Nvidia too is grasping at every straw to get playable performance. 4x the frames now. AI rendering. Their pitfall however is that they're the only real driver for this change, it can self implode tomorrow.

All that takes, is poor games combined with too expensive hardware, and look around... This situation is materializing in front of us. The whole reason all those UE5 games run like crap is because the graphics component is out of whack. Too costly for the hardware; optimization cannot be given sufficient priority given the timelines to develop; and even the games' featureset suffers. Mechanics that are barely fleshed out, repetitive maps/content, procedural bullshit that fails to be interesting... So many corners are cut. But oh wow that lighting - that situation just cannot last. Even quite successful games show those limits. Look at Black Myth Wukong. Looks real nice, but the scenery is a static painting, every wall in it is an invisible one and you will be bumping into them everywhere. The game really isn't much more than boss fights and an almost linear path through all of them. Even cutscenes are reduced to a simple painting or some slideshow of images and a voice.

 

[Bwaze]

I suspect something similar is happening to what happened during the crypto boom, most cards get sold directly to businesses or as you said someone is buying them before release. It shouldn't be legal for Nvidia to be manipulating the market, but they never really got punished for lying about sales during the crypto boom either.
I agree someone needs to step up and do a real investigation, but I wouldn't expect any tech youtuber to do it as genuinely calling out Nvidia means loosing press samples, it happened to HW Unboxed and they quickly changed after getting blacklisted.

But is this really happening? As far as I see it, using "gaming cards" is more of a hack for small companies and home content creators, and it's very quickly superseded with proper dedicated hardware.

With crypto boom we were seeing those pallets that were sold to miners, we were seeing those huge mining rigs, and home mining with just a card or two was popular too. Home AI acceleration? Not so much, even content creators that were toying with it a lot eventually ended on outside services - it's one thing to be content creator, but quite another to set up everything yourself for AI / LLM acceleration, and then follow all the new developments...

There is so much hardware that can play games... people will simply adjust. Gaming is an up-and-up business. Its never really seen decline.

PC gaming is in stagnation or even decline for quite a while. It's the shady practices like Nvidia's redistributing revenue to Gaming that is showing otherwise.

 

[Space Lynx]

just keep in mind if you plan to play flight simulator 2024, 16gb of vram is not enough at 1440p and it will handicap your fps. so that multi frame gen tech won't be as smooth as it should be. so that applies to anything below the 5090 and 7900 xt

 

[gridracedriver]

up to +15% from 4070Ti Super for 1000/1100€ vat included... LOL
in practice it will be like the 7900XTX 2 years later costing the same... eh but Ray tracing Brooo
The hope is that the 3nm will arrive soon, this generation is embarrassing, or alternatively that AMD does not follow Nvidia but has a lot of 9070s to sell and therefore a max of 750~800 € vat included at launch for the XT.

 

[Krit]

up to +15% from 4070Ti Super for 1000/1100€ vat included... LOL

Couple months ago RTX 4080 Super was better deal than that! RTX 5070 Ti is just another downgrade from already bad RTX 40 Series. Just wait for one year and downgrade down the line! That's what RTX 50 Series are offering to as p/p ratio is just absurd.

 

[HD64G]

Keep comparing fake MSRPs and vfm using those...

 

[phints]

TDP increase accounts for most of these small gains since there is no meaningful lithography improvement. Small IPC/layout tweaks and GDDR7 will account for the rest.

RTX 50 series remains a letdown, I'll wait for RTX 60 series to upgrade.

 

[Vayra86]

What is wrong is capitalism.

Not intending to open a new front here in terms of politics... but... is capitalism the issue? I think any system can and will fail, if left unchecked. So far the human consensus did seem to have landed on capitalism being best for countries trying to power through the ages... I mean, its a primary driver for where we are now. I rather believe every system must have checks and balances.

In capitalism, the biggest and perhaps only checks and balances we have, is ourselves. Consumers. Our power is supposed to inspire change.

 

[R0H1T]

In capitalism, the biggest and perhaps only checks and balances we have, is ourselves.

In any system, not just capitalism. Although I will add that the critical mass needed to effect a radical change over the years has probably grown up exponentially with people happy with their iToys, cars, yachts, loot boxes, clothes, YT, TikTok & what not

Real change doesn't come unless enough people work towards it & the mega rich, politicians, mega corps have found ways to keep a fairly sizable number engaged/happy enough that such major revolutions probably don't ever happen again!

Spoiler

 

[truehighroller1]

In any system, not just capitalism. Although I will add that the critical mass needed to effect a radical change over the years has probably grown up exponentially with people happy with their iToys, cars, yachts, loot boxes, clothes, YT, TikTok & what not

Real change doesn't come unless enough people work towards it & the mega rich, politicians, mega corps have found ways to keep a fairly sizable number engaged/happy enough that such major revolutions probably don't ever happen again!

Spoiler

Eat the rich? lol

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Thanks for being honest about your mistake!


What is wrong is capitalism.

Capitalism is not inherently wrong here...though I see how you can argue that.

What is inherently wrong is artificial scarcity, leading to price spikes. Something that Nintendo is well aware of, and Nvidia is pretty much up to their eyeballs in now that slapping "AI" on the side of a box doubles the value without any additional input.


I hope the capitalist response is that AMD releases something that competes. I also acknowledge that if we are in a market driven by the artificial scarcity of being pirated of its finite input (ie, silicon production is a finite resource and necessarily must be CPU, GPU, and every other processor) that it sucks.


But, let me remind you of the alternative. Communism produced the Trabant. Maybe sometime bad is better than the alternative.

 

[Bomby569]

are you guys arguing for a communist gpu?

 

[alwayssts]

Real change doesn't come unless enough people work towards it....a fairly sizable number [are] engaged/happy enough that such major revolutions probably don't ever happen again!

I try not to be overtly political (because when you get real, it actually scares people), but...

Real talk? This is more scary fucking accurate than I think you may even realize. I'm glad somebody else said it...no cap. That's all I'll say. Just understand I'm glad you noticed.