AMD's Radeon RX 9070 XT Shatters Sales Records, Outperforming Previous Generations by 10X

[Dr. Dro]

And who will give a flying F about it?

I mean, pretty much everyone that actually uses their computer for gaming, but

 

[medi01]

pretty much everyone that actually uses their computer for gaming

I'm sorry kid, you are not "pretty much everyone", you are just you.

As for RT gimmick, the situation 7th year and 4th gen into "hardwahr RT" gimmick is rather damning.

HWUB: 6 Years of Ray Tracing...On vs Off 37 Game Comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBNH0NyN8K8 my takeaways: AMD RT implementation sucks, the best RT is path tracing so pretty much go big or go home with full ray tracing...games like Doom Eternal and Elden Ring look better with RT but you really have to pause and look closely with a...

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[Dr. Dro]

I'm sorry kid, you are not "pretty much everyone", you are just you.

As for RT gimmick, the situation 7th year and 4th gen into "hardwahr RT" gimmick is rather damning.

HWUB: 6 Years of Ray Tracing...On vs Off 37 Game Comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBNH0NyN8K8 my takeaways: AMD RT implementation sucks, the best RT is path tracing so pretty much go big or go home with full ray tracing...games like Doom Eternal and Elden Ring look better with RT but you really have to pause and look closely with a...

www.resetera.com

Are we really having this conversation? Like, really? Shunning new technology on a tech forum? If an RTX 5090 costed $699, you betcha everyone would be quite happy to grab one and crank that RT up. The problem is that the market is belly up, the economy is failing, GPU prices are extra high and the very first thing you do in this scenario is cut the superfluous. Not to mention the "PC master race" has always been the PC toaster race, just look at the Steam stats and you'll see that xx60 mid-level hardware has always dominated the charts.

From a purely technological standpoint, RT has been viable for some time, at least at the performance segment and up. It's just the prices that are nasty, the 9070 XT alleviates this a ton, even at its scalped prices at around $1000. Incidentally, AMD's first decently capable RT hardware, even though it's been around since Turing. Hence, "the future is now, old man" meme. Not exactly a personal remark - it's just a meme used when something supposedly futuristic has already been achieved.

 

[EmmanuelMar]

Well, your CPU has a 17% bottleneck at 1080p and a 7% bottleneck at 1440p (2k),0% to 4k.

My recommendation is to check if you actually have the latest firmware installed for your motherboard.

The second thing is to set your motherboard to factory defaults. Turn on your PC, press F2 or Delete, enter the BIOS, and press F5, Enter... Don't overclock.

Remove all the overclocking and profile software you have installed.

FYI

Asus Armory Crate has a section where it monitors the BIOS version, installed drivers, and those that need to be downloaded and installed. The application isn't a superfluous toy; it's there so you don't have to worry about searching for and installing them, and it also provides control over the motherboard and GPU LEDs.

AMD Adrenaline provides automatic driver updates for non-beta AMD versions. It also provides real-time visualization capabilities for the game you're playing, including: FPS, 99% FPS, micro stuttering, GPU temp, hotspot temp, VRAM temp, GPU watts usage, VRAM usage, CPU usage, and DDR usage.

It also provides four power profiles to choose from for your default GPU: efficiency, performance, and custom.

and It also allows you to use Hyper-rx, Fsr 4, Quality, etc.

 

[medi01]

new technology

For how may more years a tech that sees 4th (!!!) generation of GPUs hyping will stay "new"?

The problem is

Let's look into it:

The problem is that the market is belly up, the economy is failing, GPU prices are extra high and the very first thing you do in this scenario is cut the superfluous. Not to mention the "PC master race" has always been the PC toaster race, just look at the Steam stats and you'll see that xx60 mid-level hardware has always dominated the charts.

So the problem is:
1) Effing "PC master race" , baad, bad master race!
2) Effing cheapo GPU buyers, motherf*ckers keep buying cheap crap!!
3) Economy! Just when RT gmmick was poised to shine, economy went down!!!

Ahaha. Was it sarcasm? I hope it was sarcasm.

everyone would be quite happy to grab one and crank that RT up

You were given a link to in -depth review of modern games with "hardwa-Arteh".

In 70% of them, it mostly brings FPS drop, might make visuals worse.

So why would anyone "crank up" anything please?

 

[Dr. Dro]

I... haven't seen a single case where enabling Ray Tracing actually degrades visuals, so I'm not sure I get your point? These preexisting conditions also affect development, you just can't overuse something that your install base can't do well.

Indiana Jones and the Great Circle is a good case for mandatory RT - and that game looks fantastic.

 

[medi01]

I... haven't seen a single case where enabling Ray Tracing actually degrades visuals

Let me help you with that, oh inexperienced one.

"But I need to see that myself! And in motion!"

Do it:

All the key promises of "hardwa-arte" are obvious lies at this point:

1) Unseen visuals
2) Won't tank perf with next gen cards
3) Ease of development

In reality, 6 years into this "amazing tech" we have a handful of, cough, very very sponsored games.
And that's it.

And among those, I do not mean "Control": an embarrassingly dull game with visuals that remind how games looked like in 2005.

 

[Event Horizon]

RT in Elden Ring kinda makes the game look significantly worse due to increased pop-in and reduced animation update rate. There is only one game in my entire library that I prefer with RT enabled: The Talos Principle 2.

 

[Visible Noise]

RT in Elden Ring kinda makes the game look significantly worse due to increased pop-in and reduced animation update rate. There is only one game in my entire library that I prefer with RT enabled: The Talos Principle 2.

AMD GPU?

AMD still hasn’t fixed their drivers for Eldon Ring from what I can see on Steam. I think it’s an Nvidia sponsored game.

 

[Event Horizon]

AMD GPU?

AMD still hasn’t fixed their drivers for Eldon Ring from what I can see on Steam. I think it’s an Nvidia sponsored game.

All GPU vendors on PC, and the consoles too. Seems to be how they tuned their RT mode. DF reported on it, I reproduced the issues on my Nvidia card, and nothing seems to have improved with the DLC. I think an Nvidia sponsored Elden Ring would at least have DLSS upscaling and framegen, and probably an unlocked framerate cap (or at least a 120fps cap).

 

[Dr. Dro]

Let me help you with that, oh inexperienced one.

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"But I need to see that myself! And in motion!"

Do it:

All the key promises of "hardwa-arte" are obvious lies at this point:

1) Unseen visuals
2) Won't tank perf with next gen cards
3) Ease of development

In reality, 6 years into this "amazing tech" we have a handful of, cough, very very sponsored games.
And that's it.

And among those, I do not mean "Control": an embarrassingly dull game with visuals that remind how games looked like in 2005.

From left (8) to right (1), every single game I've personally played with RT support was tier 5 ("different image") or up. Most are tier 2 or 1. Metro Exodus Enhanced is still an absolute showcase of what this technology can do for gaming, and even then it's largely accessory to raster at this point in time. Also seems like this list is very subjective, personally I can't tell Cyberpunk Ultra and Overdrive apart unless I really, really try.

This speaks more about the game than the technology in itself, and these games seem to be using RT either very sparingly (with low ray count + heavy denoising), as it's usually done with AMD sponsored titles or those with explicit support for RT on Radeon, or the game settings are unusually low. Thankfully the 9070 XT is no longer useless for ray tracing, and its price is fair - should help bolster adoption quite a bit.

 

[Rover4444]

Can't believe MSRP cards are still out of stock.